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Hi guys,

I’m in my late twenties, working in the finance sector at the international office where there’s a wide mix of races (men and women), I’m asian.

I’m 6 feet tall, medium built on the average looking side. I play basketball and am into martial arts. My guy friends have described me as coming across as alpha on first impression but a little frank and talkative subsequently. The girls have described me as fun and boyish but a little moody sometimes.

I’ve been busy focusing on my career and I’m now looking to get into a relationship or at least explore one. I’m a go getter when it comes to work but shy when it comes to approaching or dating girls. I’ve built quite a few good relationships with some females over the years, ex school mates and colleagues, a couple of them are even drinking buddies. I’m considering finding a girlfriend from within this circle however I’d probably have to work to getting out of the “friends zone” as some of them have remarked that they feel “very comfortable/safe” around me. I’m also thinking of picking up new hobbies such as ultimate frisbee or ballroom dancing.

After going through the forums and reading up I’m thinking of getting A314, Instant Shine, Ammo, TUTH and or P83. What would you guys recommend as the country I’m based in is both hot and humid (scenting, dosage/micrograms per spray, oil or alcohol based). I’ve been reading up on TAA too, what does it do?

ps. I’ve been going through the archives and see mention of other products like Primal Instinct or Alterego but I can’t seem to find them in the shop and google gives me inconclusive results. Are they phased out/discontinued products or something not sold here

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Hi Johnny - Welcome to pherotalk.

Your choice of pheros sounds good. Esp A314 for work/social impact if you adopt the behaviours that suit it and Ammo is a great social/sexy phero that won’t go wrong once you have found your sweet spot - See the guide in Mens. Tuth and P83 are a slightly different matter - Tuth tends to work better in an established sexual relationship or when things are getting well-hot between two of you but it is less useful in getting to know someone as you can appear overly horny from the start. Sometimes though, it can be good in pickup exp in conjunction with A314. P83 is a more specialised phero/putative that is good at reducing inhibitions/closing space between people but you should read up a bit more on it before you start using it.

I see you mention being in the friendzone/overly comfortable with women in your circle - If this is so, you are also going to need to look at changing your behaviour/attitudes to encourage more attraction. This important as pheros themselves as they are only part of the story - You still need to do the work to make them work and then - wow! :slight_smile:

Oh and for Primal Instinct etc, try googling the firm Lovescent - You will find a range of good non Androtics products there. :slight_smile:

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Welcome to the forum.

A314, Ammo, Instant Shine, and TUTH are all great products. I would hold off on p83 and TAA until you’ve tried all of the consumer products first. Putatives like p83 are still experimental and being researched and are not recommended for new members. TAA is already the main ingredient in Instant Shine but pure TAA is stronger initially but last only about 1/4 of the time so you would have to constantly reapply.

In terms of your environment, hot and humid environments will cause your sprays and oils to diffuse a little more quickly. They can therefore actually be more effective but will last for a shorter period of time. Oil products like A314 are very good for those environments.

Like mobocaster said, Primal Instinct and Alterego are available at LoveScents website. I have no experience with those products so I can’t comment on their effectiveness.

Good luck and have fun.

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Looked at the lovescents website, they don’t seem to have as much support or information so I think I’ll try Androitics first

Thanks guys, I’m looking mainly at A314, IS, and Ammo (Perhaps 2x?) now.

I have this close friend that I’m particularly interested in, she gets a little touchy and close at times but I’m not sure if nothing’s happening because of me or her (I think its really me), which is why I’m considering p83 I’ve found out that some of the girls who have been attracted to me in the past (now my friends) tended not to show it or done anything “because they respected my boundaries”, I gave the impression that I was more the good and long term guy, someone who didn’t play. I tend to be passive

Instant Jerk perhaps?

2 concerns

  1. I’ve read that pheromones on you start to stink (especially in hot humid weather) after a while and people/yourself start to notice. Is it safe to wear a scent along with it, an eau de toilette like Calvin Klein or Armani. Will the alcohol in it destroy or affect the diffusion of the pheromones

  2. There’s recent posts about shortage of pheromones or change in formula eg. ammunition. Which products have changed and if it comes down to me buying 4 products, what should I get?

I want to close the distance, and channel sexy charming alpha, not dependable family guy (instant gentleman is out?)

A314, Instant Shine (can I get 4X and then just use one dab and rub it on both wrists), Ammunition or 2x, P83 (if so recommended dosage), Instant Jerk, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty (I don’t think I need this though, the girls tell me almost everything), TUTH

ps. Slight change in plans, call me crazy but I’m thinking of going A314, Instant Shine (4x), Instant Openness, Instant Jerk, Turn Up the Heat, and probably 2 putatives, either 74, 83 or 86 and also maybe the experimone TAC.

Does anybody know what Ammo really does and if I can replace it with turn up the heat, and if I’m duplicating any effects or pheromones if I get the above

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Hey Johnny! Welcome to Pherotalk!

Awesome, it looks like some of the other guys have given you some good advice.

To start off, I would agree with everything the other guys said. As a fellow asian, I know we tend to fall into the “friends-zone” almost all to often. Here’s my so far impression on P83, this by in no means is me telling you to buy it. Get a good basis with ammo, A314, IS, IH and IG, before you go with the P83. Anyways, the P83 has yielded some interesting results for me. It has brought a totally different group of women to me and also worked on a target girl I met at Dave and Busters (A bar/place to play arcades) I’m still in the testing phase.

Ok, here’s the deal with the x2 or x4 or anything else you’re thinking of. More is NOT always better! You could be awesome with just 1 spray of the normal x1 and OD on 1 spray of x2. So if I suggest you go with the normal bottle and that way you can get a good basis and understanding of how your body is working with the pheromones.

To address your concerns, the first one, yes they do sometimes smell like BO. But, ammo is a very good stand alone or combination with others. In regards to the other concern, I’m not sure about that. But once I find something out I’ll make sure to send you a message.

For the 4 I would choose: ammo, A314, IS, and IH

Check out the color chart I have linked in my signature. That will help you get a basic understanding of combinations.

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Lovescent is a pretty good firm too - If you search a bit here, you will find some more about Alter Ego. Which is a good product IME and would suit your age. I find its oil base goes well when worn alongside A314 oil. Its similar to Ammo - maybe a little more androstenone punch bit the oil base means it is good for a slow build-up if you are going to be around your target for a while. Not tried Primal Instinct myself but I’m pretty certain I’ve read others here discussing it.

A314, IS and Ammo are a good start. If you are going to go for 2x/4x anything, I would go for IS or other socials. Wait till you have found your feet with the 1x Ammo first, then use the 2x for economy if your effective dose works out. Esp if you have a target in mind. Stronger is not always good where none is concerned.

Are you thinking on A314 oil or spray? Personally I’d advise you go for oil from the outset. Its also a good one for those seeking LTRs because of its status and fallout/catch properties. If you are thinking on buying TUTH, I would suggest wearing it with A314 and maybe P83

Instant Jerk is a good product with sometimes dramatic effect but again its not really a beginners one, you need to work the behaviours to go along with it. - Which could be a rather sudden change for folk who know you. Gives you a great confidence boost though. If its a choice between taking the plunge on IJ or P83, I’d suggest P83 would be better as it seems to work in a less polarised way - A good space reducer. Most folk I read about seem to work in the 20-70mcg range & I find 30-40 suits me.

IG and IH should certainly be considered. Again ahead of IJ IMO.

Yes, cover scents are fine - just let the alcohol-based phero dry down first. Don’t spray over an oil-based product as that can disrupt it. Plenty of discussion on layering and application points in Mens. As for the stink, different folk will react differently and some will have no problems but others can be very sensitive, esp with none products.

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Thanks guys for your help. I’m putting my order for the mones in now, here’s to what’s to come.

Cheers!!

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Awesome! Now, once you get it go start a journal!

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Welcome to Pherotalk Johnny!

From what I see or should I say from what I have read you seem to know what products is best for start because you did your research.

In addition, you got a good amount of advice and help from the guys so you are more than ready to order.

We don’t usually recommend advanced products for new users as boogie mentioned and you should note advanced products are non refundable.

Your gc was issued! :cool: