Hi, beta guy here from the UK

Hi, discovered a post about pheromones on reddit, searched on google and ended up here. A little about myself:

I’m early 30’s, okay job, decent shape though a little skinny. I have no problem talking to girls and meeting new people, problem is I’m a super-friendly guy and they all just want to be friends! Girls just see me as a “beta” nice-guy, so even when i make a move I usually get rejected. Basically I’m looking to be more alpha and manly in my persona; I’ve just started working out with weights, now I’m hoping pheromones will help push that further and let girls see me more as a potential partner.

My questions would be, which would be the best spray to start with? I’m looking at “ammo” because it seems the most well rounded and simple to use. Would you recommend the regular or double strength for a first timer?

Also is it possible to deliver via DHL international to Asia? I’m currently staying here so wondering about your policy on international shipping.

Finally, do your pheromones sprays work the same on Asian girls? Strange question, but i’ve seen other sites sell products just for Asians; not sure if this is needed or just marketing, surely humans are all the same biologically?

Thanks, hope to get my gift certificate and order soon!

If you found us through reddit, I’m surprised that they didn’t say it was snake oil! That place is a hivemind.

Regardless, welcome echelon123, and glad you could join us here!

For a first timer I would always recommend ammo. You need to do some sweet spot testing to find out the best range for your pheromone usage, for example 3 sprays is just the right spot whereas 4 sprays is too much. You would never find that out if you took the 2x strength.

I’m not familiar with the shipping policy internationally but as far as I’ve been here I have not really heard any issues regarding shipping.

Socially speaking, Asians are raised differently than caucasians. More in an authoritarian household style than authoritative or whatever that last one is (forget atm). This generally means that signature that women respond to will be different.

Well, that’s just my opinion/take on the matter. IG is generally better for Asian girls since it is seen as a warm pheromone rather than a sexy one. You could also try a314 for the alpha effect.

Anyway, welcome again to pherotalk and if you have any questions go ahead and ask us!

Hi, thanks for the reply and recommendations. Don’t worry about reddit, yes it’s a hivemind type place but i like to try things for myself before making judgement.

After reading reviews and forum posts, I’m now leaning towards Ammo summer edition. Good reviews on the smell and a little extra pheromone sounds appealing!

Instant Gentleman interests me, but at the same time girls already see me too much as a “gentleman” and are too comfortable with me, haha, I really need to be more “alpha”. A314 is probably more for advanced users I think?

I have equal contact with western and eastern girls in my present life, so the Asian thing isn’t too important, just curious really.

Welcome echelon123!

Roland as already given you some solid advice. I think mones can help a lot with getting out of the friendzone, so good you found this place!

It is generally thought that Asian girls respond better to a androsterone based product (IG, A314), than to a androstenone based product (Ammo, TUTH). Especially Asian girls that grew up in Asia. Androsterone basically projects a warm, reliable, but masculine signature. Androstenone is more animalistic and directly sexual. Open sexual behaviour is usually forwned upon in Asia I guess, so that’s the reason not all Asian girls respond well to androstenone. Keep in mind this is only a BIG generalization. I’m caucasian, but I’ve had an Asian gf in the passed. After a few years the sex got boring, so I tried some Alter Ego (different vendor). She really loved it! So don’t rule out androstenone products I’d say. Biologically they all work the same on ANY woman, except for lesbians. So Ammo really can be effective in Asia, I guess you’ll just have to test it.

IG has worked for many people on Asian women. It provides a cool, laidback and capable alpha vibe.

A314 would also be nice at your age. It’s seen as the big brother of IH and is a much more serious product. It’s much beloved in corporate offices, as it projects qualities of the alpha male - think CEO’s. Can also be intimidating to younger people. Will definitely get you out of the friendzone though :slight_smile:

Let us know if you have any questions.

I live in Tokyo.

IG is Asian crack. A314 paired with TUTH also works well on the older ladies (28+). On the younger ones A314 can be a bit much unless she’s a really capable girl/woman. I’ve yet to nail a reliable young Asian combo, but IG seems to be part of the equation more often than not.

I wouldn’t recommend Ammo as my first choice here outside of clubbing. As for strength, I’d say single unless you KNOW what you’re doing. I’d also suggest Summer Ammo in Asia more than regular (yet to try it), but it has some P130 and TAA (Instant Shine) thrown in. The reason for single, is your sweet spot maybe be low, like one spray, and if you get it in double strength you might be always ODing until you’re much older and your none output has dropped a lot.

As for socials, Instant Shine is a must, I’d also recommend IO and IH as part of an arsenal, particularly the IH, but playing about with IO opens your mind to what’s possible in other ways.

**Welcome to our community Echelon!

We’re super happy to have you join us. Thanks for stopping by and sharing. I hope to see more of you around here in the next few weeks!

This is a quick note to let you know I’ve issued your gift certificate. It’s burning a hole in your email box as you read this!

Have fun!"

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