hi there! jamie from aussie ville! which pher. helps with closing skills?

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ok guys, i got my order but still need the 15 dollar gift voucher as i ordered but didnt get it???

anyway, have had some interesting intial results using IS and Ammo the 1st week.

experiment 1:

1 IS with 2 ammo and went to a disco sat. nt…nothing.
following day, set up on a date…wore 2 IS alone, nothing changes…sitting in a cafe. go to the dunnies, and add my 3rd spray…BINGO! the vibe immediately changes.the girl seems to move her chair closer, and we both 4get our surroundings, like were lost in our own world…then my friend keeps breaking the energy, the jealous sob :slight_smile:

all her attention is on me…DIHL eyes…looking at my lips…shes a shy japanese girl, probably the hardest 1 set out there as they just dont open up and u dont know what there thinking. my friend notices, the waitress seems to notice the reactions the girls giving…2 times this week the IS seems to give u the “we already feel like gf/bf feel” - others around u pick up on it. ok, also other IOI’s incl. hair flicking, lip staring etc.

we got to a bar, its my mate and hes girl and me and this new girl, the japanese 1…a few drinks r consumed but nothing major…just watching the telly - eventually, after too much afc covo’s, i pull a few moves. it backfired as she goes to the toilet, returns but wont sit next to me…energy lost, moment lost, now defensive…this was about 2-3 hrs. aftre that crucial 3rd IS spray.

so anywyas, i call her up later in the week, she reluctantly dates me on a friday nite, her suggestion…hint 1. i put my 3 IS on - this time nothing as we sit in a cafe. we got the bar . Me makes a bee-line for the dunnies and i hit myself with 1 Ammo. Energy builds up. she initiates with a : “lets go downstairs, theres less people” IOI 2…she lets me buy her a few drinks or 2 and im paying…but this is generally an asian dating custom anyway, even if just friends so im not ciing this in an IOI context.

no moves r pulled as im not finding the IS/Ammo combo. is helping me with Keno or Closing esaclation. SO THIS IS MY QUESTION TO Y’ALL OUT THERE. wOULD A314 HELP WITH INITAITING IN CLOSING A SEDUCTION???

so we hit the second bar. again, she says “lets go downstairs…less people”…thgh. shes not overly flirting body language wise, she is saying these suggestive things. so, lets me buy her another drink IOI 3…i go to the toilet and AMMO hit no. 2…no tangible difference really…abit more flirting perhaps, but nothing that sweeps her off her feet. IS may be wearing off too. then she says the damndest thing as if to tell me to hurry up: where talking ex-boyfriend gilfriend stuff and she says, “ya know, y would i be here if i had a boyfriend???” or, was it,…“if i had a boy friend…i wouldnt b sitting here with you”…either the biggest hint or biggest insult…i wish i could remmeber her exact words…i take it as an IOI and hold her hand, she feels awkward, and goes tot he toilet, when she comes back i go in for the kiss and she recoils…game over/ delabreaker…energy ruined.

so positives and negatives but iwsh it could help me with my timing, like when she said suggestive things and maybe if id kiss closed her in those moments, and not when i finally build up the balls.

so, what helps with closing phases of seduction?

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Looks like your posts are appearing out of order.

You’ll probably get lots of advice from people playing the seduction game.

Still, if I was where you are I’d try to relax and take it slow.

You may want to post this over in the men’s forum for greater visibility.

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Usually I hear that Turn Up the Heat is a great closer but be careful with it with Asian girls. They do not respond too well to -none.

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look up “kino escalation ladder” on google and do a search on this forum for “kino”. you need to start touching her innocuously from the beginning so that it’s less weird when you hold her hand or kiss her. maybe don’t be so focused on the kiss - with practice you will know when it is right to do so. also look up mystery kiss close and triangular gazing if you want some help with this.

if she reacted badly to holding her hand (and you probably shouldn’t have held it for very long if that was the first time you touched her - maybe just squeezed it), you shouldn’t have ‘escalated’ by trying to kiss her - you needed to do more work to attract her and make her feel comfortable.

google “swingcat prizability” and look at deangelo’s cocky funny approach. don’t go overboard on cocky funny, but you might need to do that a little bit in the beginning to get it right. also see pickup101’s approach to banter and pickup101/mystery/style/mehow/others on storytelling. i like pickup101’s work on ‘deep rapport’ too.

mones can help, but i wouldn’t focus on them at this stage (though wearing them will definitely give you an edge).

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couple more things…

do you lean in when you talk to her? (it’s okay to do now and then but you want to avoid being too needy). pickup101 have some good stuff on physical confidence/body language.

if you buy her drinks maybe thats okay but try something like ‘i’ll get these but you can cook me dinner next time. wait, you can cook can’t you?’. fun and it balances things so it seems less like you are courting her in an old fashioned way.

kino is an ioi so bear that in mind. ie balance iois with fun iods and/or hoops for her to jump through.

here’s a link to the escalation ladder…
A Step By Step Ladder Of Escalation - The Seduction Bible - Real Life Dating/Relationships Exposed

you may be better off not kissing her till you are ready to sleep with her that same night.

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