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She is not the one that was affected by the IS, it was another girl, the girl i am interested in didnt show any sings yet from IS, the othe girl however kept joking and laughing with me. The only thing i noticed from the girl i am interested in (lets call her “L” for short) was the crash of IS, we normally study together for periods between 3 and 5 hours, and we usually start getting tired after the 3rd hour, but yesterday, we were doing a lab in the class, and then went to the library to study, just before the lab, i put 2 shots of IS, it was a small lab so we finished after 1 hour, the lab didnt contain anything that would affect the pheros, and yet i didnt notice anything special from her, i was joking and giving some funny comments, but the only response i heard from her was a single “Ha!”. After we finished the lab we went to the library to study, we studied well in the first 30 min or so, and then BAMM! boh of us felt really tired, i was not able to concentrate, and she was barely able to lift her head. Now how can this be, only 90 minutes passed since i put the 2 IS sprays, and we started to get that tired feeling, i wasn putting any other pheros, only IS. I am afraid that next time if i used 3 sprays, the crash would be even worse.

Do u guys really think that IH + P74, would really help in that nerdy environment??? And what does P74 alone do ???

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Well Ramy - To me, that crash could be turned to your advantage. If it happens again, why not say “I’m tired, lets go for a coffee/soda/breath of fresh air and get a break from this?” That way, you get her into a more social environment and you both deal with the crash appropriately. I suggest strong coffee or one of those sports energy drinks. And get her on to some subject other than work! :slight_smile:

I would hope you will find that the IS crash is worst the first few times, you will both adjust and cope with it better soon. :slight_smile:

I think you should search and read up on it and make-up your own mind Ramy - There are quite a few threads that discuss this mix and I am thinking on it as there are frequent reports of how it promotes bonding/closeness and a fallout/crushing effect which could be useful to you. Personally I’ve had some quite good results using it along with a small amount of Ammo (OK, I’ve used it with a wide range of none doses in different social circumstances). On its own, P74 is a good friendly/chilled-out/trusting phero but not in a particularly attractive way. Adding the IH seems to change or deepen that.

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Thnx mobocaster (i can see you r still hear in the thread), i did tell her lets drink some coffee to be able to concentrate, but she said it is ok and wanted to leave, i didnt want to push her so i just left her.

About the P74 and IH mix, what concentration o P74, should i get to make it effective? And are there any OD signs from P74 and IH?

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I tend to use 2 sprays of 2x IH and 3 sprays of 10mcg P74, then whatever none-based product I’m using.

Od - I don’t think that would be a serious issue. I suppose IH could cause a depletion of neurotransmitters similar to IS but IME, it is nowhere near as marked.

The only negative thing I’ve observed with P74 is that it can give me a slight metallic taste in my mouth for a few hours.

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Should i consider adding IO in the mix??

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I’d say, from mobocaster’s descriptions, leave it out. Keep it with the P74 and IH only. Start off with his suggested application amounts. Once you ‘see’ how these two combine and your comfortable with it, then, start thinking about adding a 3rd mone.

I think IH is the big guns already and don’t need IO for what you want. :slight_smile:

Oh, and Jevarah, I suggest you start up a journal thread in the men’s forum to get more views from other experienced mone users.

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If I’m adding anything to IH/P74, it would either be A314 for work situations, or none (Ammo, TUTH, IJ, MX301) for socialising. Ammo strikes me as most suitable for your current situation. I wouldn’t rule out adding a little IS though?

I wouldn’t add IO this time - IO/IS seems to me to go better together.

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Ok i ordered IH TOGO and P74, when i get them and put them, how would i know it is working, what signs should i be looking for?

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Ok, i was thinking, and decided to do something that is a little bit wierd, it is not related to mones, i dont know how to describe this wierd thing other than a romantic prank, i was thinking to do something like writing her some notes and then without signing the notes i stick them on her car, notes like “u turned my world upside down” and stuff like that. OR, instead of doing the car notes i would ask her questions like "what would your reaction be if someone told u that u turned his world upside down?

I wanted to make a step. I want to make anything other than telling her “I like you” in her face, but at the same time to hint it is from me.

The problem is she is kind of not in favour of having a boyfriend at her age, she kind of believes that the write time for her to have a boyfriend is after 4-5 years. And another problem is that i never did this before, she is the first girl i really care about, i mean i had some crushes before her, but she is the one that i am really interested in.

So do i begin doing these things or do u think i should wait till we meet a couple of times wearing IH and P74, and start askin her questions that are a bit more obvious like “what do u think about me?”

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Ramy - that idea is highly likely to backfire on you big-time! :open_mouth:

It might seem romantic to you just now but remember that many women would see that as a weird, needy and stalkerish act.

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Which idea?? I mentioned more than one idea.

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Well both sticking notes to her car and going outright asking what you think of me, not too good. Doing these things is seeking approval and it makes the women less interested unless they are needy in some weird way, but it doesn’t seem like shes hinted that.

When your talking together with this mix try to bond on some topics, see if she can put some thoughts into the conversation and build on them. I’ve never asked someone what they thought of me, its just something that happens when your close a few times. You can see it in there eyes… or while your close you escalate it to something more intimate, depending where you are. Confidence is key.

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Wow. U guys Just proved that i am totally an amatuer in attracting her and showing her my feelings, which is true as i mentioned before i am new to these stuff. So after i get the IH and P74, wear them and meet her, what should i do to work with the mones??

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I can’t tell you about what mones to use, but I can give you experience on how I approached different types of women. In your case, you need to change the setting like mobocaster said, and your impression. The problem is, you’ve already met her a few times, and therefore she has already formed an impression of the type of person you are. You have to make a change of that initial impression.

I was once a tutor also. I changed the environment constantly because find that it reinforces the concepts much more readily. Things such as shooting pool can be used to teach geometry, launching rockets in the park, physics, hiking and field trips allowed me to teach geology, etc. But the idea is changing the environment allows you alter the environment from a serious one to a more relaxed atmosphere. If you’re in a school, a serious environment, it is going to be harder for you to get someone to drop their guard down, especially since you mention that she is the serious type person.

Of course, at this point if you asked her out to something like that, she’d be suspicious, so you’re going to have to work a bit harder. Increase more people to your group, make a study group. Then take the study group out and it would be less imposing. Around a lot more people out ‘studying’ while having fun, would be a lot less imposing, lowering her guard, than if you asked her out alone. I have no experience with Instant Shine, IO, or IH, but I would definately think that it would definately help your case once your reach this point, thus breaking down her barriers even more!

Of course, you are going to have to differientiate yourself from the other people. My high school girlfriend came from a wealthy family from the city, so I took her out on a picnic, complete with the picnic basket, looking at clouds, home cooked meal, etc. She has never been on one, and it excited her since it was different from what her previous boyfriends did (taking her to balls, galas, expensive restaurants). My girlfriend in college was always constantly working, dreamed of being in high society. So I took her to a Gala that allowed her to dress up, mingle with important people, etc. It was a completely different world. The point is, you have to not only differientiate yourself, but show them a completely different world than they are used to, get them excited, eager for more, bring out that curiosity.

And as TwistedOstrich and Mobocaster pointed out about your ideas, it might seem logical, but it would just really harm you. All you are doing is seeking validation for yourself, thus lowering your selfworth, basically you’re broadcasting, “I’m not good enough for you, am I?” That really is a sign of desperation that repels people. Women want someone who can take care of them, show them fun times, etc., not someone who constantly depends on them for their happiness. Just think of it this way. This is a successful, serious woman you’re going for. What can you possibly offer her? Are you fun, exciting to be around? Are you different from the 5646106406 guys who hit on her? The one thing you don’t want to offer her is your lowered self-worth. If I was her, I’d use you, get all I can, and then dump you when another comes along that is better. Just be glad she isn’t like that.

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Pretty much, be yourself and show her your strongest, most able, challenging side.

Another reason I suggested is that this has been a good mix for getting IOI’s at work, so impress her with your knowledge and skills, don’t be shy. The responses have been pretty obvious and blatent, including sitting there staring, wowed by me, spontaneous kino, asking to be involved in stuff I’m doing, I recently had one attractive Indian woman following me about and turning-up looking for me at external events, telling me “I’m older than I look” etc

And when combined with a healthy dose of none - Well it gets more dramatic but don’t do that in a library/working environment - wait till you get her out somewhere. :wink: