I managed to make my Ammo last up to 8 hours all week :-)

[Morphious]

This past week, I found a small bottle of a cologne that I got as a gift from my aunt who lives overseas. Its called Bakhoor Oil (its commonly used backhome in the Middle East). Bakhoor oil is made of 100% natural ingredients, and not chemically enhanced by any means. Its very thick, and very aromatic and smells sophisticated. One little dab of it and you can smell good for hours to come.

As we all know, any of the alcohol based pheros usually last up to 4 hours before reapplication. But when I started to use the Bakhoor oil, I was pleased with the results.

How I came about this is that decided this week I am going back to the basics to rediscover my sweetspots again.

I applied Ammo (given my age) and used 4 shots of it. 2x to the writs and 1x to each side of the neck around PM as I was going out with some friends. I covered the neck area only with one application of the Bakhoor oil, and left the wrists untouched. Initially, I was getting a lot of the usual IOIs from 30+ yrs old women in the avenue we were in. Later on my friends decided to go out clubbing, but I didn’t have anything to refresh my applications. So I was a bit bummed about it.

To my surprise, 20 minutes into the place, I was getting major flirtation by the cute bartender, who was 22, and got lots of IOIs from girls in their 20s, but not so much from the 30+ crowd that was there. This lasted until probably about 11pm or so. I was surprised that I was getting effects all night. Quite puzzled to be honest.

The next day, I cleaned myself and got my body for a fresh start, and decided to try on Ammo again but with less dosage (3x…1x each side of neck and upper chest). Again, I applied the Bakhoor Oil to the neck areas. This time it was around 10am. I got pretty much the exact same results as the previous day but more consistent (this time it was a good mixture of IOIs from women in the early 20s up to mid 30s. The setting I was in is an Job Fair at Expo Center. All day I was getting a good constant and consistent results until approx 6pm or so then it seems to have worn off when I went to the mall later. I wasn’t sure how this happened again.

I thought about it, but then realized that I was using the Bakhoor oil, and it dawned on me that maybe because its an oil based fragrance, it helped reduce the diffusion of the Pheros and made them release slowly and more effectively (maybe enhanced their properties?)

All week I have been doing this with Ammo and I noticed that the effects last up to 8 hours depending the external factors.

One thing I would like to add though is that the smell of this Oil fragrance I have got so many compliments, and been called “the exotic smell” by many of the women I came to interactions with, and it sticks to your skin and your clothes (oil property) and not that easy to get rid of, unless you have a really good scrub down.

I will continue my experimentation with the other mainline products and see if their effects are enhanced/diminished and report back.

Of course any feedback or comments are welcome.

~MO

[P51Mustang]

Have you tried this oil out by itself?

I have read that natural oils and ingredients have pheromone like effects.

[Morphious]

@P51Mustang

Have you tried this oil out by itself?

I have read that natural oils and ingredients have pheromone like effects.

Yes I have in the past. I would get the “You smell good” comments only if within close proximity (like 3 ft or less). But nothing like I had when I had Ammo in addition to it.

What are you thinking? I’m curios because I am going to start my next set of experimentation next week with a different pheromone with and without the oil.

[mobocaster]

Interesting. I was wondering about oil-based as a medium for NPA and the like.

I see Bakhoor oil is dead cheap on Ebay and Islamic sites, along with a range of other non-alcohol fragrances, incl equivalents for a number of western standards.

Can the OP tell us a bit more about these maybe?

[Morphious]

@mobocaster

Interesting. I was wondering about oil-based as a medium for NPA and the like.

I see Bakhoor oil is dead cheap on Ebay and Islamic sites, along with a range of other non-alcohol fragrances, incl equivalents for a number of western standards.

Can the OP tell us a bit more about these maybe?

Sure thing, what would you like to know?

Moreover, since you mentioned the “Cheap” oils, you need to beware from being tricked into buying anything you are not 100% sure of. Some may have some synthetic scents and other fatty liquids and tricking you into thinking it’s the real thing. (I can check for legit places to get them from)

There are some tests you can run on them to make sure they are authentic. However, the most common one is

Get a glass of water, put a drop of the real Bakhoor oil and mix it.
If it dissolves the same way sugar does in water, then you got genuine and original oil. The fake ones will be insoluble in water

[P51Mustang]

@Morphious

Yes I have in the past. I would get the “You smell good” comments only if within close proximity (like 3 ft or less). But nothing like I had when I had Ammo in addition to it.

What are you thinking? I’m curios because I am going to start my next set of experimentation next week with a different pheromone with and without the oil.

I was going to keep my mouth shut but this topic interests me.

Disclaimer: Please do not take the following statements as truth. As of right not these are only based off of my research which has not fully been vetted yet. Thank you

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I was reading somewhere the difference between plent and animal musks. From what my understanding was, plant musks tend to be a great fixative for molecules. Also animal musks helped diffuse the molecule scents more effectively.

As for AMMO, the scent lasts long already in my experiences but the results from the pheromones necessarily do not. If you added more of a fixative property to that mix, it could have been the Androstenone/Erone/Nol were all diffusing at an equal rate. As you may or may not have read here, Androstenone tends to last longer on the skin so that’s the possibility you were getting the effects from younger women because the diffusion between the three molecules were even. Typically that long into the night, you would essentially be wearing just Androstenone after the nol and erone wore off, but that seems like the opposite.

Again this is just based on multiple theories here that I’ve read over the past few months. I can be completely wrong but it might shed some insight into your experiences. You truly have to keep testing this out with and without AMMO multiple times to really gauge what it does.

[blackarrowmoose]

thats great, the phero effects of ammo usually last around 4-5 hours for me depending on the temperature and how hot my body is, the scent however lasts alot longer

[Morphious]

@P51Mustang

I was going to keep my mouth shut but this topic interests me.

Ha Ha Good

@P51Mustang

I was reading somewhere the difference between plent and animal musks. From what my understanding was, plant musks tend to be a great fixative for molecules. Also animal musks helped diffuse the molecule scents more effectively.

I do agree with all your points, and I do regard your opinions highly (I’ve been lurking for a year and half now…lol)

You are correct in your research… Plant vs Animal based oils/musks have the difference is that plants are more of the fixative and animals are less. Which is why the the Perfumery industry use more of the plant based (mixed with the synthetics) to produce their scents and products.

@P51Mustang

As for AMMO, the scent lasts long already in my experiences but the results from the pheromones necessarily do not. If you added more of a fixative property to that mix, it could have been the Androstenone/Erone/Nol were all diffusing at an equal rate. As you may or may not have read here, Androstenone tends to last longer on the skin so that’s the possibility you were getting the effects from younger women because the diffusion between the three molecules were even. Typically that long into the night, you would essentially be wearing just Androstenone after the nol and erone wore off, but that seems like the opposite.

As for Ammo, yes the smell lasts until you wash it off at times. I know I have woken up in the morning at times and I smelled REALLY good after waking up (and been commented by women who slept next to me ).

But the opposite is true for the pheromones effects. The only thing that might stick around longer is the -none.

I, however, didn’t think about the Erone/Nol molecules diffusing evenly with the -none until you just mentioned it. That could be very much the case. Since the oil is more fixative, the 3 molecules are diffusing evenly, and hence the prolonged experience. hmmmmm

But wouldn’t be the same case if you were to apply Ammo and then cover it up with A314 for example?

[thegentleman]

@Morphious

But wouldn’t be the same case if you were to apply Ammo and then cover it up with A314 for example?

My experiences with mones and colognes as a hobbyist is minimal, but being a man with a highly analytical and I’d like to think somewhat logical mind I would think this last statement would be correct.

In fact, before I made my A1 mix with my cologne, or if I used NPA without the mix I would use my A314 to help “smear” it around a bit more evenly, hoping that the oil in it would cause either the A1 or NPA to diffuse slower and better.

[P51Mustang]

@Morphious

Ha Ha Good

I do agree with all your points, and I do regard your opinions highly (I’ve been lurking for a year and half now…lol)

You are correct in your research… Plant vs Animal based oils/musks have the difference is that plants are more of the fixative and animals are less. Which is why the the Perfumery industry use more of the plant based (mixed with the synthetics) to produce their scents and products.

As for Ammo, yes the smell lasts until you wash it off at times. I know I have woken up in the morning at times and I smelled REALLY good after waking up (and been commented by women who slept next to me ).

But the opposite is true for the pheromones effects. The only thing that might stick around longer is the -none.

I, however, didn’t think about the Erone/Nol molecules diffusing evenly with the -none until you just mentioned it. That could be very much the case. Since the oil is more fixative, the 3 molecules are diffusing evenly, and hence the prolonged experience. hmmmmm

But wouldn’t be the same case if you were to apply Ammo and then cover it up with A314 for example?

A314 has plant musks in it and I think ylang ylang. I see that snoopyace is looking at this thread, he might be able to shed some light on this.

But also DPG is the main carrier for A314 and that’s synthetic and not all plant musks, this is probably why you’re getting different diffusion.

[P51Mustang]

@Morphious

Ha Ha Good

I do agree with all your points, and I do regard your opinions highly (I’ve been lurking for a year and half now…lol)

Thank you for the kind words.

[mobocaster]

@Morphious

Sure thing, what would you like to know?

Thanks

More or less everything you care to tell me.

I have very little experience with oil-based scents but what I have is all good.

And by cheap, I mean in comparison with the brands I’m used to. Even the expensive oils seem to have a lot less impact on the pocket!

[Morphious]

Based on P51Mustang’s recommendation to continue the use of Ammo for my experiment, I did that this today!!!

I prepped myself to make sure no residue of any previous applications, plus I refrained from using any pheros this weekend.

I applied 3x Ammo to (1x to sides of neck and 1x wrist). Then I covered each area with a smear (using application stick of the Bakhoor oil) to the application areas. Application time was around 7:30am.

Environment: Office @ Work
I work at a large company campus and I run into people of all different ages and very diversified

Hits noticed:

1. Early Morning:

• Subjects: Good mixture of men and women. My current assignment is in department that has Mainframe developers and testers. They tend to be very shy, and introverts.

• Hits: I didn’t see any noticable affects from men or women over the age of 40 (LOL that was sweet because NOW I know for a fact who was telling their real ages ha ha). Most were from women in their 30s (None in their 20s). Hits included smiles (from people that barely do to anyone), getting lunch scheduled by co-workers from different departments to “catch up” this week and next week, plus catching some sneaking looks thinking I can’t see them. Good responses

1. Noon:

• Subjects: Men and Women of all ages and races

• Hits: Pretty much the response I got was similar to the ones I got from last week. I had lots of IOIs from women ages 20s and 30s. More on the 20s hits than the 30s. Hits were in the form of playing with hair while waiting in line around me, smiles, DIHs and occasional “Hi” from people I never spoke to in the past. I had several women comment about the “nice smell” and asked what I was wearing. My brother was with me and he mentioned “Wow people are really friendly today” ha ha . One in particular that caught me off guard was a co-worker that I had interest in and we ended up on non-speaking terms. She saw me hallway passing by, and she waved and said Hi. Last time I spoke to her was before she got married 4 years ago. I wasn’t expecting this to be honest.

1. Later in the afteroon (now its 4:25pm):

• I think the effects are somewhat wearing off. I went and took a walk to the small shop we have here on campus to get some coffee or something to keep me awake. There was a pretty good mixture of people there, but I wasn’t getting the exact same responses I was earlier. timing this it was appox 8 hours that I applied thie stuff. The hits were very low (maybe 1 or 2).

So I am going to summerize that I got pretty good responses today using the exact same test I did last week.

My logical mind is asking and hoping for an answer Why using this oil I have has prologned the effects, while A314 does not?

Also any recommendations (to further test)… or if anyone else can do the same test? I’m interested as this could be really a good thing… and I can’t wait to try with other products.

[mobocaster]

Very interesting Morphious. Thanks

I would be very interested to have a go with Ammo and oil. When I get my next order-in ok?

[P51Mustang]

@Morphious

Based on P51Mustang’s recommendation to continue the use of Ammo for my experiment, I did that this today!!!

I prepped myself to make sure no residue of any previous applications, plus I refrained from using any pheros this weekend.

I applied 3x Ammo to (1x to sides of neck and 1x wrist). Then I covered each area with a smear (using application stick of the Bakhoor oil) to the application areas. Application time was around 7:30am.

Environment: Office @ Work
I work at a large company campus and I run into people of all different ages and very diversified

Hits noticed:

1. Early Morning:

• Subjects: Good mixture of men and women. My current assignment is in department that has Mainframe developers and testers. They tend to be very shy, and introverts.

• Hits: I didn’t see any noticable affects from men or women over the age of 40 (LOL that was sweet because NOW I know for a fact who was telling their real ages ha ha). Most were from women in their 30s (None in their 20s). Hits included smiles (from people that barely do to anyone), getting lunch scheduled by co-workers from different departments to “catch up” this week and next week, plus catching some sneaking looks thinking I can’t see them. Good responses

1. Noon:

• Subjects: Men and Women of all ages and races

• Hits: Pretty much the response I got was similar to the ones I got from last week. I had lots of IOIs from women ages 20s and 30s. More on the 20s hits than the 30s. Hits were in the form of playing with hair while waiting in line around me, smiles, DIHs and occasional “Hi” from people I never spoke to in the past. I had several women comment about the “nice smell” and asked what I was wearing. My brother was with me and he mentioned “Wow people are really friendly today” ha ha . One in particular that caught me off guard was a co-worker that I had interest in and we ended up on non-speaking terms. She saw me hallway passing by, and she waved and said Hi. Last time I spoke to her was before she got married 4 years ago. I wasn’t expecting this to be honest.

1. Later in the afteroon (now its 4:25pm):

• I think the effects are somewhat wearing off. I went and took a walk to the small shop we have here on campus to get some coffee or something to keep me awake. There was a pretty good mixture of people there, but I wasn’t getting the exact same responses I was earlier. timing this it was appox 8 hours that I applied thie stuff. The hits were very low (maybe 1 or 2).

So I am going to summerize that I got pretty good responses today using the exact same test I did last week.

My logical mind is asking and hoping for an answer Why using this oil I have has prologned the effects, while A314 does not?

Also any recommendations (to further test)… or if anyone else can do the same test? I’m interested as this could be really a good thing… and I can’t wait to try with other products.

Great report, but remember that DPG is synthetic and has alcohol mixed in so it diffuses quicker and that it isn’t as strong a fixative as your oil.

[mikotorocks714]

Just add baby oil or cologne/perfume oil on your application points before spraying on your pheromone of choice and the slow evaporation rate of the oil will slow the evaporation rate of the alcohol based pheromones as well since your skin will remain moisturized longer than having your pheromone applications sprayed on normal dry skin. You can also try this with lotion as well.

[mobocaster]

@mikotorocks714

Just add baby oil or cologne/perfume oil on your application points before spraying on your pheromone of choice and the slow evaporation rate of the oil will slow the evaporation rate of the alcohol based pheromones as well since your skin will remain moisturized longer than having your pheromone applications sprayed on normal dry skin. You can also try this with lotion as well.

What about a light moisturiser, would that be similar?

[Onedzguy]

I remember K-train mentioned that he used cocoa butter lotion and A1 to slow the effects of A1.

[Morphious]

@mikotorocks714

Just add baby oil or cologne/perfume oil on your application points before spraying on your pheromone of choice and the slow evaporation rate of the oil will slow the evaporation rate of the alcohol based pheromones as well since your skin will remain moisturized longer than having your pheromone applications sprayed on normal dry skin. You can also try this with lotion as well.

Hmm that would be something interesting to try. I will have to try it tomorrow. Apply the oil BEFORE the Ammo and see if I get the same responses.

But if I recall correctly, someone else did say they apply lotions prior to applications, but I can’t remember who it was. Maybe if they are reading this thread they can elaborate on their experiences?

I will try your suggestion and report tomorrow.

[mikotorocks714]

Yes, you can try lotion or oil BEFORE pheromone application. Thing is, from what I’ve read from other more experienced users like Tisha for example. Diffusion isn’t as great on dry skin, kind of makes sense since alcohol evaporates so if you take a look at it really dry skin may just advance this process than nice moisturized skin.

I personally have tried baby oil, but also like cocoa butter oil gel by Vaseline. Smells good like chocolate/cocoa. This is also the reason why you experienced longer effects since you used an oil based fragrance. Well, that and I’m sure the nice smell of it also was liked by your targets. The power of smell (not pheromones) can also do a lot, that’s why smelling good is also always key.