Instant Female Magic feedback: the scent, a cancelled dinner and a reblend offer

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nothing wrong with a romp in the hay, unless of course it’s wet hay, or if the hay has some of those big huge hairy spiders living in it. :smiley:

seriously though, like i said previously, the one woman that i’ve exposed to this didn’t make a single comment about goats, that’s all me. also, she is usually very quick about commenting about scent whether it’s on me, diffuser, roadkill etc.

scents react differently on each of us and i’ll continue to put up with goat if it means i don’t have to fight her over the inevitable anymore :cool:

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it’s been a month or so now since i’ve had a chance to start testing IFM and i’ve figured out how to get rid of the goat and in doing so, make this stuff part of a regular if not daily mix.

my very first occassion to use IFM was very pleasant from an interaction perspective but troublesome from the personal. assuming that A1 is the key phero ingredient, the personal issues i noticed were, as noted above, that my skin and IFM don’t work together very well, but in the past month with regular use of 1-3 times per week i’ve never noticed any of the other reported side effects of A1 use around men, the main one being depression in general or a depressed emotional state on the wearer or men in close proximity.

what i have found is that 1 full spray of IFM to the back of my head from about 6 inches away along with a very light half spray split between my wrists produces only positive effects on women and has been completely neutral on me or men in general.

i’ve grown very fond of using that dose of IFM along with 2-3 sprays of IS (1 spray on my wrists over the IFM and 1 spray each to chest and throat) and found that together, outstanding results with women and very positive results for me.

i’ve upped the IFM amount in the above mix on occassion to 2 1/2 sprays (1 to top of my head, 1 to back of head, half spray to wrists) and while that amount tends to make the IFM noticeable to me over the IS, i can report the same as above, very pleasant interactions with women, no noticeable downside to me or other men.

on occassion, i’ve tried the 1 1/2 spray IFM and 2-3 spray IS mix supplemented with drops of A1 (from 1-4), typically the A1 goes on the backs of my hands and earlobes and even at that level can’t produce any of the negative effects on myself that others have reported when using A1.

ultimately, what i have found is that IFM and IS together have become, and will continue to be a regular mix for me.

together, these two are astounding in their ability to set the stage for very very pleasant relations. this is not an NPA/PI type of effect, but maybe more like what NPA/PI should be doing, making an attractive space around me then allowing my own personal attributes to work.

i am not a caveman, although i may sound like one at times i do not need to club a woman over the head and drag her by her hair back to my bed.

this combo of IFM/IS literally has women invading my space, and most of the time i am only too happy to share. more of everything, touching, smiling and especially hugs. not the familiar hug of an occassional acquaintance where you stand 18 inches apart and throw your shoulders together and pat each other on the back, but toes inside of toes, thighs inbetween thighs and not a piece of paper comes between type hugs.
these same hugs seem to linger, and very pleasantly so, for minutes at a time.

if you can’t turn that into a sexual type “hit”, then throw everything else away, get your club out and hide in the bushes and wait for the women to walk by un aware. of course i kid, but only to make a point.

great stuff androtics, hats off to you. after maybe 9 months now of regular synthetic pheromone use and 5 years total, i have found something that not only works but creates noticeable positive and most importantly REPEATABLE effects. :slight_smile:

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I just got my IFM last night and sprayed it and immediately noticed the smell. While I’ve never worked or lived around goats I can’t comment on the scent similarities, I do think it smells strongly and I think I would have to say unpleasantly, so my question is this; how did you get rid of the smell?

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i’m not sure i’d want to get rid of the smell as much as cover it for my own nose. my first experience with IFM was pure coincidence, and wrote about at length above.

try what i’ve been doing and use it as a hair product along with a light spray on your wrists. i don’t notice any unpleasant smell when IFM is in my hair and i usually have a drop of sandalwood split between my wrists and now quite often i have a spray of IS as well.

no unpleasant smell, incredibly pleasant interactions.

i’ve been very close to at least a dozen women since i’ve begun the IFM tests and not a single one has made a negative comment regarding the IFM, not one.

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Just recieved my package of IFM, IS and IO and I have to say that IFM doesn’t smell like goats. To me it smells more like some sort of herby mixture. I tested it first out by inhaling it and I noticed it seems to mellow me out… something that some would probably attribute to as depression. Its more like a very calm feeling.

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This “goat” thing is too funny in a way. It’s a really pecular issue to have, especially with a product that women respond so very well to. :slight_smile:

If it’s too “goaty” for you, we’re happy to do an exchange. I’ll send you an alternative mix that uses no essential oils or anything else that could add an overt smell. I want to make you’re 110.03% satisified. Just let us know.

We’re even happy to cross ship, so you get your replacement before you send back your current one. This way, you can use your current one while waiting for the new one. You won’t “go without” and have unwanted down time.

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Even if it smelled like kitty litter, they wouldn’t complain! They love the effects of the pheromones in it.

That’s why IFM is a bit like a double edged sword - women love it, while guys don’t care for it. The response is sexually dimorphic (different for men and women), much like the scent of valerian. Most women smell flowers (or something good, not that I’ll ever know exactly what), while most guys perceive the scent of valerian to be something like dirty socks.

With IFM, you give up the positive effects that some pheromones have on other men, for the exceedingly good effects you get on women. Good mostly for one on one (dates, romance, the sack), or when you’re around a group consisting mostly of women (dance class, yoga).

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I haven’t noticed depression wearing IFM, either, even though the primary pheromone used is famous for that.

I did some work to counterbalance this effect, that’s why. There’s several pheromones in there to make it work better (much like I reworked rone in A314). I know there’s still some work to be done, most likely, but it’s a decent first step.

In fact, instead of getting depressed from IFM, I sort of get an almost “beer goggle” effect. Not as bad as real “beer goggles”, but I do tend to see women in a better light, and become more affectionate. I guess you could call it kind of … romantic!

This is really interesting, since the primary pheromone in this alone doesn’t do this to me alone. This is in many ways superior, and it’s in the mix.

IFM is unfragranced, but I start to include an essential oil exclusively for it’s therapeutic purpose in recent batches. Definitely not for the scent. I think the earlier batches may have had this oil, too, even before I “approved it”. The earliest shouldn’t have smelled like anything at all.

I’m interested to see how different the one with the EO package works for people vs. the one with pheromones only.

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Yeah there are some smells I noticed that women seem to take to that alot of the guys I run across at least do not seem to like. For example.. hippy women seem to have a thing for patchouli, and alot of guys I talk to do not seem to like it. I wonder what pheremones are like without the additives of alcohol or oil. Oh, by the way, I noticed when you send packages out.. the bottles tend to be wiped down in some sort of citrus alcohol. What is the reason you guys do this?

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Guys like that women like it, so that’s usually enough. :slight_smile:

Patchouli is actually part and parcel of a wide varieties of colognes for men. Some list it, some don’t.

Some of the perfumer’s versions are a lot more “likable” by both sexes than patchouli EO or absolutes. Really old patchouli also smells much nicer. It ages well, much like a nice wine.

I’ll have some raw versions added to the store, if you’d like. Have to gauge demand.

Some smell human and wonderful, some don’t.

Alpha androstenol smells like a wonderful, light, and somewhat feminine human musk. VERY beautiful odor. Could be intoxicating to some.

Androstenone smells much like most men’s armpits after exercise. Reminiscent of the (non-foot odor) of some locker rooms. Sort of punches you in the nose in any quantity. I don’t like this one when smelled directly.

Rone smells like… ever been in the car of a middle age man who sweats a lot? It smells like that.

It’s sort of this warm, comforting masculine odor, and this coming from a man that really doesn’t like the odor of other men. This one, I don’t mind at all, though. It’s kind of nice. Very “dad” like. I can understand why women who had good relationships with their father can become intoxicated with rone.

Androstadienone also smells very human, but I’ve smelled it directly so infrequently that it would be hard for me to pinpoint exactly what the odor is like.

All 4 smell very human. I can’t say that about some of the newer pheromones, some of which have very little natural smell, but produce pronounced pheromonal effects.

We do it for the same reason some people hang rabbit’s feet off their keychains – good luck. The ancient Chinese circa the TANG Dynasty used to wipe down their pheromones in space aged orange drink. That’s where we got the idea. :slight_smile:

But, no, seriously… We don’t do that.

We do clean products after manufacture and before they go out, if they need it, but not in citrus alcohol or anything. It’s probably just the product a “sweating” a little during transit. Many colognes do that when shipped.

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I like the idea of RAW versions being added to the store, although I’m not sure what others would think on that. Even if you did do that, the question would be what the benefits are with or without the added alcohol or oil base? Do the additives actually in some way help the pheremones other than the scent?

I’m not too sure on the difference in smell of older vs. young people.. though I do know for a fact that people who have gained weight tend to put off a musky “dank” smell. For example, down the hall in my apartment room there is this one African American guy who weighs around 260+. Just walking past his door… there is this odor.. this thickness in the air that just permeates the entire area around about 3-6 feet on both sides of his door. Oh by the way, for those who are African American, no offense intended.

With old people.. the only smell I’ve noticed is in hospital areas where the really old people have some sort of strange smell to them.. cannot pinpoint the name of the smell.. although it does seem to indicate some sort of sickness or something.

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in case there has been any confusion, i don’t think i ever stated that IFM smells like goats but rather IFM on my skin has that effect. in fact, i think i even said that IFM must bring out my inner goat. i also said that even after using it the first time, when i sprayed my chest and the smell was overpowering to me, the end result based on the apparent behavior modification of the woman i was with combined with no noticeable derogatory scent effect on her, was that the scent would not deter me from using it in the future.

besides, being the only billy goat does have its advantages :cool:

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The RAW would be for novelty only, so you can better experience first hand how “human” pheromones are. The moment you really start to smell them raw, you’ll understand that these are bonafide human musks.

In crystalline form alone, they’re fairly useless, unless you want to huff them directly - you will get sort of a pronounced effect doing that.

To affect others, what you want is a very thin layer of molecules spread wide over a large heated surface (in this case, your dermis/skin). That’s where alcohol and oil come in. They’re just a means to an end.

Some oils help to “fix” or adehere the pheromones to your skin, as well. This can be useful for something like alpha androstenol or TAA, both of which diffusive quite readily into the air around you – often too fast. On the other hand, it can work against you for something like androstenone, which is kind of the sticky superglue of the pheromone world…

Mostly accurate observation.

The thick odor you notice may be generated more from not washing. More of a side effect of being overweight, as sometimes overweight people have trouble reaching everything in the shower or otherwise carefully taking care of their hygiene. This could be the result of aging, as well, and loss of energy.

Apipose tissue (fat cells) also produce estrogen, and thus, overweight people are likely to produce more of the pheromones downstream from estrogen. Overweight men, in particular, would be more likely emit a higher level of natural pheromone profile typical of women.

This goes beyond the pheromonal, but you’re right.

There’s cleaning products used in hospital areas which don’t have the most pleasant smell on earth. Also, you can definitely “smell sickness” (or, at the very least, sick people never “smell good”).

Some correlations are common. Cancer victims often reek of ammonia, and people with out of control diabetes smell sort of sweet.

People using large amounts of pharmaceutical drugs also smell unpleasant. Artificial. Sort of poisonous, or like the fumes from heated plastic.

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Ohhhhh… so these other guys are spraying their IFM on you??

That explains a lot… Hmm!

Anyway, “goaty” or not (let’s say your IFM smells like a sheep :wink:), if anybody doesn’t like their IFM, again, please contact us for an exchange for a corrected one. In this case, we can cross-ship, so we send your replacement before you send back your original so you’ll have some to use in the meantime. No problem.

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Wow, admist all the talk of goats, I didn’t see this very informative post.

Excellent. That’s what I like to see. Although I will say while I’ve never noticed myself or other men becoming depressed when using IFM, I’ve noticed a reduced volume of interaction from other men. A sort of neutral quieting. Not that I necessarily care, personally :slight_smile:

I will say that on the men who it seems to have a speech quelling effect on, they didn’t seem as bothered after subsequent applications, or when used as a minor part of an overall “feel good” type of mix (say, Instant Shine and Instant Openess).

So your normal dosage is 1.5 sprays IFM (22.5mcg) to 2-3 sprays Instant Shine (30-45mcg), correct?

How does the IFM become more noticable with the additional spray (37.5mcg of IFM total)?

So you’re never gotten negative effects from A1, anyway? You are a self-admitted confidence machine.

To contrast, how does NPA/PI work for you?

Soul nurturing hugs!

There’s some real intimacy in what you’re describing here. I’m wondering if Instant Honesty would deepen this for you.

So you are definitely converting these behaviors to something even more intimate and erotic?

Thank you for your kind words. That’s the aim.

And you’re doing so EASILY, right? That’s the other big aim.

I know it’s a “different way of doing things” compared to most pheromone products (I was frustrated with all of the other products, so I intentionally ignored them when designing these).

The goal I was after was to be able to give you EASY control over your pheromonal presence in order to tangibly improve your life. To allow you to quickly make new mixes for both day and night, custom made in seconds just for you… tailored to your own preferences, and your own body cheimistry.

Our preferences change daily. We don’t eat the same food everyday for every meal. Why do that with pheromones?

Our bodies are different, too. To get the same effects you do, some might need to lower the IFM and increase the Shine, or vice versa.

Keeping all of the “pheromonal dimensions” seperate allows for this. It’s like you have a “pheromone equalizer”, not unlike the ones we’ve had for years on stereos… you can turn up this, turn down that, and rapidly set a mood for the day that’s oh so delightful, and oh so you.

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yes, that is where it all starts. i don’t use fewer than 1.5 sprays of IFM but i will use an extra full spray on occassion.

only the herbal or EO part is apparent, that’s why i’ve been using it mostly as a hair product. i have a very full head of hair and in situations where i apply when its still wet or when my hair has dried the spray doesn’t affect the gel or “hold”, and it doesn’t make my hair frizz out either but most importantly, the hair application doesn’t get my goat on.

even up to 2 sprays IFM + 4 drops A1, no noticeable personal negative effects. my wife says i’m a pompous ass and a cocky bastard. for a while i tried to use the dictionary to point out the important differences between cocky and confidence/faith but she’s as stubborn as i am and i only see her once every year or two anyway so…

only tried NPA but found it to be as erratic and hit or miss as a womans emotions. if i’m in close proximity to several people it has differing amounts of attracting/repelling attributes at the same time. inconsistent, unpredictable, powerful, but rarely repeatable in the same way with the same person.

i still have several bottles that were part of a sale with other products and i still use NPA but most of the time if i use it on my skin it is in very small quantities, 1 drop perhaps. for the most part i’m testing it out on my pillow cases and the zipper flaps of one or two pairs of slacks.

IH is one of the few i don’t have yet. intimacy is the goal and it takes a long while to get there, there seems to be confusion between men and women regarding personal intimacy and sexual intimacy. women in general hope to find sexual intimacy through the men they become personally intimate with, but since most men mask their true personal intimate self in order to have sex, the guy gets laid and the woman gets jaded lol. i’ve found plenty of women to have sex with but have found it suits me better to just have a few women around to have intimate sex with. women either submit to me or they fight me to avoid submitting, i don’t want either of those. that in particular is why i’m finding this IFM/IS combo so appealing, there seems to be less of a sense of them having an inner struggle over what to do and more of a feeling of confident pleasure, if that makes sense.

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I used IFM last night and I want to comment on the smell factor. Previously I always sprayed it and then covered it up right after with my cologne. The smell died down and I thought it was the cologne that did it. Last night I sprayed IFM (2 sprays..then later 3 I think) and just let it sit for about 30 minutes before I applied my cologne. The smell that IFM has comes on strong, but dies down quickly in about 5 minutes. However, I do notice that when I spray it on me in my bedroom I can come back into my bedroom the next day and immediately tell I sprayed IFM(though the smell isn’t strong nor is it foul), it is definitely a lingerer.

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I’m using IFM revision 1 mix and have had nothing but positive results. It seems to make you the object of attention and also causes women to emotionally get closer to you…almost like a mellow love potion. I can’t wear IFM daily because of one of the main pheromones causes some mild depression or atleast a zombied out kind of mood at times. I use IFM exclusively on Dates or when I know I will be around primarily women.

It seems IS could be a good alternative to those sensitive to IFMs potential depression effects for everyday use with a mix.

A314 is always in all my mixes at 2-3 drops. for my mix base.

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It was good to re-read all this… helped me out a lot. I have used IFM a total of three times, and have had no signs of depression at all.

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i’ve used IFM a helluva lot more than 3 times and have never noticed any of those effects either. IFM turned out for me to be one of the most powerful, easy to gauge effectiveness pheromone products i’ve ever tried.