Just a little correction as to not cause confusion. AMMO does not have the same ingrediant as Ishine in it. That was AMMO 1.5 which hasnt been sold in a long time.
It has 3 mones in it
ANOL anone and arone.
Tisha
Oh..well excuse me. I had it mistaken. I guess I should stop dispensing advice for Ammo until I get the new version and try it out.
Wildflower be sure and give us a follow up report!
I’ll report what happens, it’s this friday so I still have two days to experiment with AMMO on its own. The first impression I made on this girl was bad and I got bad vibes of her for a couple of months (only saw her once or twice) so Its a miracle I have a date with her in the first place. I think pheromones may play have played a part in it, it was when I tried the A314, openness and Shine together she came and stood right next to me shoulder touching when there was loads of room to stand, she didn’t iniate conversation with me so I did and shes seemed to be friendly to me since, total turnaround really, who said 80% of opinion is based on the first 2 minuites of meeting someone. Shes in my social group so it’s gonna be a group date kind of thing, at 19 I don’t wanna be doing one on one dates.
I’m going to take you advice and use: 2 Instant gentleman, 3 Shine, 3 openness and 1 AMMO. I don’t know where I’ll spray them yet, i’m 6"2 and shes quite small so I don’t want to spray them on my head.
I need more will power when applying phereomones, like I always sneak an extra spray. I’ll put 2 instant gentleman on and then go “one more spray won’t hurt” Your right though, I don’t want to be collonge guy so I’ll try and keep it to two sprays.
Thanks everyone for the advice.
here’s my post from my journal. Its my overall impression/review of Instant Gentleman.
So I went out a week later than planned. I had 1 and a half sprays of ammo on the chest (just where it meets the bottom of the neck), 2 sprays of Instant Gentleman on the centre of my neck the Adams apple area, 2 sprays of Instant Shine and 1 Instant openness on the right hand side of my neck and 2 sprays Instant openness and 1 Shine on the left side of the neck. I was wearing a shirt and an undershirt over the ammo. Oh I forgot 1 drop of A314 split between my wrists that I had put on a few hours earlier.
The effects I got where amazing. This is the first time I’ve really being able to notice the changes in peoples perceptions of me. Gradually over the past week I’ve become more aware of how pheromones are working on people. To college I’ve been wearing 2 sprays of ammo on chest and 3 drops A314, noticed that this seems to create rapport between a group of people.
In general I’ve being doing a lot of reading about good impressions etc so last night I was mirroring, giving good eye contact, smiling, listening, not talking about myself so much, asking questions etc. So I think all these things has an impact as well as the pheromones. The pheromones where defiantly working, I’m very happy. After asking one or two questions the other person would totally open up and start talking very enthusiastically about pretty mundane topics and talking LOTS!! I felt like the centre of attention and I think the kind of vibe this mix gave of was charismatic.
I really bonded well last night with the girl I like. It was the kind of effect I thought Instant honesty would have (I’ve not tried it yet, only got a Togo). This girl who either looked through me or acted disinterested in anything I would say about a month ago has totally changed. I am interested in her sexually but I’d be genuinely happy to have her as just a friend and nothing more.
A few down points are that people seem to fight for my attention and whilst they’re doing this the quantity of conversation is increasing due to the openness. For example if I’m talking to someone they’re chatting they’re head of whilst another person tries to start a conversation with me. I’m trying to become a better listener and conversationalist in general and it’s hard when other people are distracting you, I don’t want to come across as disinterested in the person I’m listening to.
Another down point that’s not really a down point is that I feel this mix is very “comfy” not sexual. I don’t know if I’m wrong about this but I feel I could easily end up in the friend zone with girls. I’m not afraid of the friend zone I’m after more girl friends as well as a girlfriend but I think this mix lacks ever so slightly a sexual vibe, I don’t know if the ammo’s projecting it.
The final down point is the smell. the scent is fine I think they all smell nice but I think with all those sprays I might be really strong smelling. One girl who fancies me but I don’t fancy her said “are you wearing aftershave” before getting close and leaning on my arm.
I’m going to be seeing this girl again in a few days at a picnic with the same bunch of people I was out with last night and was wandering what mix I should use to give of a “warm and fuzzy” vibe.
Wildflower, Instant Openness is good for opening conversations with strangers… it is not good if you like to have deep conversations with people. IMO, both are good if you want to engage people in normal conversations. Too much instant openness tends to promote siliness and people all want to talk to you. Snakeeyes also did a report where he found somebody was creeped out by instant openness, and I found one situation where a high dosage also caused somebody to be creeped out- it makes you “too” mysterious and magnetic, people smell something wrong. I never use more than 1-2 sprays.
I’ve had great results just wearing 1x Instant Shine, 1x Instant Openness. You become approachable and this is great for casual conversations, people can be very friendly if they casually know you, like a clerk at your favorite drugstore. This guy is usually sort of ho-hum but I brightened up his day just by comming in, he even cracked a few jokes. It was amazing. I just used a little eye contact and that seemed to spark something in him- if you don’t make any eye contact it tends to get people looking at you but no real interest.
I never tried Instant Gentlemen as it isn’t available in “to go”. I’d be intrigued to do so, however. I suspect there is androsterone in WAGG (Lovescent), and of course there is some in other phero mixes.
I’d be curious to know what it causing the arrogant, pushy/General vibe in MX173… is it androsterone? Or a synergy with something else? With WAGG I just got generalized avuncular respect, “Wilfred Brimley talking to you about Diabetes/Oatmeal, etc”. With MX173 I was getting “shock and awe” and my approachability was reduced and I felt a bit arrogant “Look at the little people…” (over the top but I did get the feeling I had been elevated to the most important person there… and most other men didn’t matter- I was only being polite so I wouldn’t be looking bad)- graceful but arrogant. WAGG seemed to be a respect based on wisdom and trust, and MX173 a respect based on dominance and charisma.
I’m going to wear some MX173 again today to see what happens.
Here is a post I did a little while ago about Instant Gentleman:
Hope it helps.
Daedeulus-
As far as the MX173 goes - there is a difference of one pheromone between MX172 and MX173 - both of which are based on MX102. They are 14 and 15 (respectively) pheromones in them. I do not know what pheromone is different but I would bet it is 'none based on your observations. I used MX173 (to go size) but do not remember why I liked one over the other.
I’m thinking MX172 might be OK for a job interview, toned down a bit and mixed with Instant Shine… but I think it sucks for “everyday wear”. I hope A314 isn’t like that… but then I remember one guy talking about “parting the red sea” on the subway with A314. I’m not sure that’s something I want to be known for (but then, I’m not a New Yorker).
What does “too” mysterious and magnetic mean? Like creepy? Manipulative? Irritable? I ask this because I’d love to be seen as mysterious and mgnetic it’s the reason I use pheromones. Is it a bad thing or is it just odd, weird?
Yes. Some people, especially ones less open to suggestion, will begin to suspect you are “trying to cast a spell” on them. They won’t understand it completely, they’ll just know something is wrong- if you body language is wrong, this only makes it worse. Androstenols are highly suggestive pheromones, having a very hypnotic quality that androstenone and androsterone don’t have. In the right combination they will draw non-shy people towards you (especially men, women tend to be more passive), whereas androstenone and androsterone don’t do this by themselves as much. Instant Openness is a really good way to get lots of people saying “Hi” to you if you pass by them in a store and look “important” enough- I’ve noted this.
Spray products seem to be worse in this regard, as the effect can come on quickly. Most people aren’t used to sitting down next to somebody and going to Spaceland right away.
You don’t like it for “everyday wear” because …? Just curious - not arguing.
Wildflower, excellent report! You appear to have grasped the concept of congruency which is so important with pheromone use. Reps to ya!
-D4
It seemed pushy and not very “fun”- walking around like a prince or VIP with a little bit of a chip on your shoulder. I need more experience with it, though, to decide. Also, I’ve been having some androstenone issues the past few days, so that might have been a factor- I got a couple really good hits from middle-aged women wearing nothing. I can sense a “detox” comming on in a few days just to clear my head, actually. Way too many wierd sensations going on from pheromones.
There are situations where you don’t want to be a VIP. If you’ve ever known any ministers, priests, politicians, etc., they often have alot of trouble just making friends and being themselves with people and being approachable, because they have a very special status that tends to dominate their other attributes and just “being themselves”.
However, it might be good, in moderation, for business as this phero seems to create a vibe obsessed with dominance, authority, hierarchy. It’s sort of “mechanistic” almost. But in social situations where you want give-and-take, it might not be good.
One thing I’ve discovered recently related to congruency is that it is FAR more important to be Interested than to be Interesting. It has to be genuine interest though not forced. Taking a genuine interest in people and asking them questions about themselves and their lives opens them up and then Instant Openness kicks in like a dam has just being burst.
By listening and asking questions I come away from the conversation on a high. You feel you’ve learnt something about someone rather that regurgitate stories about yourself and hopefully the other person goes away feeling good too, people love to talk about themselves. Once you do this your no longer the guy sat in the corner wearing Shine your developing rapport with someone and that’s when the pheromones work and things like body language look after themselves (although I do like to keep check.) Developing rapport with someone makes you charismatic and warm then Shine boosts it. Asking questions and talking starts conversation and then Openness boosts it. I’m really getting an understanding of the Social pheromones now but products like Ammo and Instant Gentleman are harder for me because respect and attraction are generally harder to spot. These past few months have been a real insight for me.
Such a nice Post !
I just figured out that i have to add Instant Gent to my order …
Pedro Figueiredo
It is forceful but that is exactly why I use it. My work was a very male-dominated field - full of alphas. I used it on those days when things needed to go the way I said without a lot of conversation. Or I would go heavy with the A314 with nothing to buffer it. But it is not something I would want to do every day either so I understand exactly what you are saying.
I am not sure how old you are but I would imagine a lot of younger people might feel a little uncomfortable if they are not used to having to be IN CHARGE nor be in the position to have to be a strong leader like that. It is not my prefered leadership style but there are some days when I need to shift into that mode.
I posted this in my thread
but I will put it here too at the risk of repeating and plaigerizing myself:
“I have found myself flipping back and forth between A314 - usually buffered with Instant Shine or Instant Honesty and Instant Gentleman. The good part is that I people react to me in a combination of both: strong respect, sometimes a little distance, think of me as younger than I am, and come to me for advice or to use me as a “sounding board”. Even overheard some younger folks - mixed male and females - who saw me and whispered - “Oh - it’s bosshank. He is the cool …” That caught my attention because I did not even realize this particular group even noticed me other than to be one of the “older people” who are at this one locale.”
I’m 32, but probably a good deal younger in my thinking than my age… many people my generation, or younger, tend to be distrusting of people that act like they know it all or tell you what to do, or are an “authority”. We like a more give-and-take approach generally. Alot of us are frankly not the business types, never going to be high up in the corporate world, and don’t care to either… we want to cultivate other aspects of our personalities other than dominance and power games. I understand there are careers where that gets you the steak knives or the pink slip, but that’s my personal preference.
You can be a VIP and get respect… to your face. But people can still talk about you behind your back “oohh… Prince Charles is the guy that talks to plants”. I don’t know how well A314 handles that, but I doubt it could overcome every personality foible.
My dad was very much a “go getter” when he was younger. He ate up his career path, made tons of money, but it wasn’t until he started retiring that he loosened up and became a little more human- and all this after being a social wallflower in highschool. All my dad knew was accounting, business, etc. He had NO hobbies, and couldn’t really talk about much of anything else besides work. He was completely insensitive to anybody’s feelings, too. Really sad in my eyes, I’m just glad he’s recovering now and finding some “outside interests”.
You see I’m surprised at that, I thought the nols where safe and fool proof. I thought the vibes given of where more subtle and subconscious than that. If you’re talking to a girl and she’s attracted to you then the pheromones enhance that attraction but she thinks you’re trying to hypnotise her, which would be disastrous. Is it a case of too much of a good thing? Like If I have Shine on, a girl might think I’m charismatic but she’s creeped out by how much she’s drawn to my presence?
Nols tend to promote closing of emotional space, whereas Instant Shine does the same for physical space- sometimes you can get too close to somebody emotionally and it will feel forced. Just don’t go overboard. Most people won’t pick up Nols but there are a minority who will, especially if they are close to you (close friends, family). They may feel something is “up” at a higher dosage and your behavior is wierd- Nols also can cause some bizarre behaviors- chatting about nothing at all, ackward silence and slow speech, spilling your guts to strangers, etc.
The “Instant” series is buffered so it’s less likely to cause this, but I have experienced this effect with unbuffered alpha-androstenol. In at least two cases, people either freaked out, or accused me of being a little wierd or unnerving. One involved excessive eye contact and fatique, the other involved nothing in particular, just unusual closeness and the reaction was less “wierd”, but still “creepy”. If it does happen, you can apologize and end the conversation, or try to explain it away.