ok so I’ve read up on both of them and they both seem to do very similar things, make you and the people around you feel happy and unbeat. only IO also makes them chatty and want to talk to you, so my question is firstly what is the difference in effects between IS and IO??? and my second question I can answer myself, it being which is better to use as a stand alone or a buffer for arone and none
Well Im relatively new… as in day 3 new, but have read extensively and actually got to try both IO and IS. well, IS twice and IO once so far.
IO makes me chatty, easy to talk to and the GF became very talkative… granted this is only one trial but I can “hear” the results. Im not a very talkative person, Ive been described as aloof, but when I put IO on, I feel like talking… to anyone… my mom on the phone even 
IS makes me feel peppy and good. Like a smell good anti depressent… DOnt know how else to describe it.
hmm, thanks man that was actually really helpful
No problem… like I said.. Im new… but have found that people are really willing to share experiences and help on this forum. To me, its really fascinating how mones affect people so I am hooked. Have a feeling Im gonna be a regular around here and share any advice and tips I can. Good to meet you.
For me, Shine is the ultimate base. I use shine as a base, then layer other mones over it based on desired effect.
I feel like Instant Shine kinda gives off that glow that certain people have. Kinda makes you more interesting and more noticeable. The self effects are increased confidence.
For IO, my tongue and those around me just loosens up a bit.
My motto is “when in doubt, choose shine”.
that might just be one of the deepest mottos I’ve ever heard. ;o
but seriously, I’m a pretty bad introvert and talking just isn’t my forte could be I’m surrounded my morons or.. as unlikely as this may be, I could just not be very good at communicating. at any rate confidence isn’t really what I’m after cause I use it with IG, which is as we all one know step down from the best confidence booster in the business, a314. but I’ve noticed at my confidence goes up! but lips get tighter and tighter. cause I feel more and more above everyone? or something like that, I’m not really sure why it happens. it just does I guess I’ll have to do some more testing tho, cause I do really like the happy effect Shine gives to everyone.
coach. what an appropriate name, like the big black guy with a chainsaw in left for dead nice to meet you as well
Im somewhat of an introvert as well. I actually find that A314 causes me to be even more introverted and even anxious if I use it by itself.
Shine combined with A314 work great for me.. IH and IO complement A314 well too.
AH! ahaa! I knew I couldn’t be the only one ^^ you and me are not that different my good man, anyways.. yea thats actually why I gave my alpha to a friend and started using just IG, and I love it so much! it’s the same thing as Alpha only difference it people don’t fight back cause your cool, ya know it’s not like you walk into a room sawing I"M THE ALPHA OBEY ME like… well alpha does, it’s way more relaxed and I really like it, as a fellow alpha failure ^^ you simply must give it a try
but yea I find IO produces much more noticable hits over IS
Dude same here. I get awesome results from Instant Gentleman. Ive got some amazing hits from that alone.
Yeah it is good to know someone else gets that effect from A314.. buffered heavily it does produce some great results though.
yep.. but it’s just to much to work with ya know, I got IJ and had that same problem, so the other day I decided to fill a to go bottle like 1/5 of the way up and then fill it the rest of the way with me polo Explorer, I’m really hoping this will actually work to dilute it, it’ll be like Tuth with a few extra player molecules in it.. so I’m really excited to try it
Good luck man, let me know how it goes.
Personally I agree that both IO and Shine have very similar “feel good” effects. But IO in too high a dose reminds me of people on crank. Happy and up beat but after a few minutes I’m like “oh for the love of God shut the fuck up already!”
I think the main difference now that I think about it is conscious associations.
On IO people around you feel good because they’re in your cloud and they get chatty and happy.
On Shine, people feel good being around you…it’s different, it’s like they make the association of you being the source of the good feelings moreso than they would with IO. Shine creates an aura about you that IO just doesn’t do for me. I nicknamed Instant Shine “bacon” because no matter what other product I use it makes everything better.
On IO people want to talk your ear off
in IO plus Shine they want to talk your ear off because you practically sweat pure awesome.
IH makes them feel like they can tell you anything and they don’t know why.
IH plus Shine makes them tell you anything because you’re the coolest guy they ever met.
That’s been my experience. A314, Ammo, TuTH, IO and IH, while each product has it’s own qualities, Shine adds a glowing almost celebrity like charisma to the mix and makes sure the effected people know damn well it’s you that’s making them feel these things. It works wonders with A314 and buffers both it and TuTH incredibly well in my experience.
hmm.. that two was extremely helpful, one more question. isn’t it true that the more socials you apply, the more “beta” male you seem, I remember someone saying something about how he was just going to use IH and someone said that’s an effect of just using a social? I don’t know if I believe it or not but are there any like down likes to just using socials? (stupid question I know.. I have yet to have my morning coffee ^_^)
Yeah it is true. Too much and it does have that effect. You might come off as too nice or people will get the feeling they can push you around.
I rarely have that problem though.. it really depends on your personality and your natural phero-signature.
I haven’t experienced it but I’ve been told you can overbuffer with nols. Basically too much IO in relation to something like A314 can kill the alpha vibe. Now that’s another thing I haven’t experienced that with Shine. When I’ve used too many sprays of IO with A314 it seems like people are still reasonably respectful but not in as much awe, from what I’ve read about IG and what I’ve experienced with too much nol in relation to my A314 I’d say you may as well save your money and just get IG instead of mixing A314 with heavy doses of IO or IH because my effects with that sound a lot like the effects of IG. Not that it’s bad, just not what I wanted. Shine however I’ve gone very heavy on and had no problems with personally.
Thanks guys this thread been very helpful. I agree that A314 makes me more quiet and less chatty on it’s own. But I have been using it with Ammo and CTTM2 and have noticed my self becoming more chatty and open, once I start speaking to people. I spose I build momentum or something.
I too have been considering trying IG instead of the A314 to see if it suits me better. Does IG still increase your value like A314? And what is exactly in A314 that increases your value?
Yeah, Instant Gentleman does have a somewhat similar effect as A314.
These two products have AndrosteRone in them. This is a pheromone that puts out an “alpha”, or “dependable” kinda vibe. Im a big James Bond fan, and I use this to compare the two.
For me, A314 gives out the Sean Connery vibe, while IG gives out the Pierce Brosnan vibe.
A314 is “Im gonna get out of this guys way because he’s a badass and intimidating”.
vs
IG which is “Get outta this guy’s way because he’s so cool”
Thats how I have experienced the two though… hope that helps.
unfortunately neither give a danny creig vibe.. without mixing that is, cause I’d totally always wear that mix everywhere forever..
DC ftw.
Maybe some A314 with a little Instant Jerk haha.