they are 2 different people, so what YOU have just done is drag someone who had nothing to do with this back in. hey traderneil, YOU just did what you yelled at bronzie for.
Okay people, enough already!
A) much of this stuff has already been laid to rest. Let it lie.
B) bronzie has only made a few posts here so let’s not judge on those few, at least here on this forum. All of use can have own own strong opinions. He has his. You have yours. And opinions can change over time. Time and experience can make a big difference.
C) This is Androtics forum. That one is Love-Scent’s forum. Keep em separate. To “our” credit here, I think this is the only LS “bashing” thread, and quite frankly I can understand there is a need to “vent” one’s opinions and feelings when possibly wronged. It’s just some opinions, not a declaration of war between the two. Take it easy.
LS probably prefers you keep discussions to products LS carries. They have a point. For one thing, if you talked about every “pheromone” product out there you’d need server storage the size of Texas. And bronzie has a point in that it is a “privately run” forum supported by the company and I can understand they would like to keep it focused on their products, and customer service/discussions of those products, not everybody elses.
D) I for one am here because Androtics had a bunch of new stuff for me to play with. I have already purchased a whole bunch of stuff from LS, and will probably (when I get more money in my pocket) buy some more from them to try out. I have not “abandoned” LS, nor do I think ill of their products, I am quite sure they are of good quality and Bruce would not have it otherwise. Some worked, some didn’t. That’s the way it goes. Not their fault. I’ve had to pull back on my forum participation at LS due to time constraints, plus so many postings were getting terribly redundant (they are starting to get that way here too). I can sympathise with the moderators and regulars having to face the same questions that were answered long ago over and over and over again and can understand that “do a search” response…
E) Okay, I admit I do have some reservations about how the LS fourm is operated. I admit to feeling a bit uneasy over there myself. When I started seeing all the bannings I went and searched the banned people’s posts to see if I could figure out what happened so I didn’t make the same errors. I could never figure out why most of the bannings ocurred and that does worry me. Their policy of not explaining the whys of a banning bother me. Call it a fear of the unknown. I don’t mind following the rules as long as I know what they are and WHY they are there. I didn’t think the LS banning rules were ever made all that clear in the way they were presented.
F) Everybody: don’t let yourself get baited into pointless arguments. There are better things to discuss.
Enough ranting for now…
This silly thread should have never been bumped up after it had been dormant for a couple of months. That was a classless thing to do. Many, many, people read both forums and know what the hell is going on. And quite frankly it hurts everyone when threads like this are allowed to continue.
Wrong strategy for LS to be overly-defensive (cuts off your options, you know…): past, now or the future. Starting to hit the pocket, huh? Increasing users here means the product & marketing is working (this is simple to figure…)
Still toeing the “ban the users” line? Hmm… Check back in 12 months time to examine the results of such a stance. Should be more measurable by then.
I’m ain’t going back to that river named LS …
BTW, translation from Malay language to English :
Jalan terus = walk straight ahead
& jangan balik! = & try not to come back
Same message too when they banned LS users
i2w
Yeah I’ve already gotten over this all. I still consider shopping at love scent only because they sell Essence of Woman (EW).. other than that I simply do not visit their forums because of that… and the quality posts and friendly open door policy in these forums is more enticing=)
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He has no idea who I am..?
He has had NO altercation with a woman at LS? Oh wait, that’s right - he thought I was a man!
Okay..I’m done. This just belies belief..
Ail..out.
Ail 
it, please check this site, www.a314.com, let me know what you think, in fact let everyone know what you think (il return and have a giggle at your reply), one need not be a marketing student or work in the field to understand that this site is flawed, this is my personal opinion, and has nothing to do with love scent, it’s MY PERSONAL OPINION.
the thing with L-S is that, they dont actually “promise anything” no “grandois claims” and no b-grade marketing to entice customers, just common sense discorse.
last time I checked the L-S forum, I remember seeing the owners photo in his avatar, and have always seen it there over the years, it reflects the owners transparency in dealings with customers, im just wondering why the owner of this place is hidden behind a veil? makes you wonder…
I was just informed by a forum member, your user name on the other forum…hmmm…No I didn’t know who you are, nor your gender, want to know why? Because I didn’t care!!
dont take this personally, but if I took notice of every bored woman trying to gain my attention on every forum, I would be a very busy boy! 
Bronzie you don’t have a clue mate and your attacks don’t really warrant a response. But I will respond because I rate this place way above LS (and I was a customer of LS for 2.5 years before this place was around). But still I respect LS and they do sell a few decent products, but after trying the Androtics range there is no comparison.
If you guys want to see quality posting from someone who knows about Pheromones and human nature look no further than the forum ‘owner’s posts’ (MHarris). Bronzie just search all posts under MHarris and you might just learn something if you don’t let your aggressive, stubborn instincts get in the way. Read Read Read Bronzie and don’t be so ignorant and look down at people like you do. Put the keyboard away and read.
Bronzie obviously has way too much time on his hands and is trying to get himself banned so that he can say that they ban people from here too.
Visionary
a314.com took a looooong time to compile, because we didn’t actually write it. You did.
We compiled it and organized it (a BIG job, I know, I was involved). Every statement is written from one left publicly on a forum, or sent to us in mail. We went through more than 500 comments on LS alone.
Here’s one of the compilations we based it on:
http://www.a314.com/forumposts/
The A314 copy was made entirely from user’s words, like a quilt made from comments.
I don’t think a product description has ever been made that way before, what we call our “Test first, describe later” philosophy. Most companies hire writers who’ve never used a product, and have them write something that sounds good.
In the pheromone industry, Primal is one of many examples of that (http://www.getprimal.com/benefits.html). The ad copy for Primal contains a lot of potentially harmful fantasy, especially about it’s use in work environments, whereas ours has been called more than 99% accurate on the very forum you’re talking about.
Primal also has fake lab reports supposedly from James Szeto of Petro Labs in Canada, who we found doesn’t even have the equipment (columns) to analyze androgens:
http://www.getprimal.com/pheromone-table.html
Pherlure is backed by a university study that never happened, and has ad copy and charts taken from numerous pheromone sites around the net, including APC, which took it from a product out in the early 90s.
I could go on about the fraud involved in many popular products you know. You’d have to be a criminal defense attorney who’s job it is to seriously distort facts to seriously back or “believe in” most of the popular products out there.
It takes a lot of REAL work to make a good pheromone product, and even more work to listen to users about the ACTUAL effects, regardless of whether it’s what you want to hear or not. (most pheromone companies are not open to anything other than sexually oriented effects)
If you have a problem with the A314 description, you really have a problem with the users who described it.
Again your arguments are unfounded, biased, and unreasonable. Through my own personal experience and most of the people here, Michael has been FAR more personal than Bruce Boyd…regulargly participating in the forum discussions…recommended products, even those not offered here, and communicating more personally via PM. Now I personally don’t share my personal picture for my avatar, as most people don’t. We have our reasons not to post our pictures all over the net. Some of us prefer a bit of privacy online
Marketing Material aside, what draws most people here to AR is not the marketing material - its the quality of the products offered. Its the innovation behind the products offered, which is lightyears ahead of LS. You insist on talking down on AR, yet have little experience with their products. Most of us here have our fair share of experience with both LS’s and AR’s products…enough to pass a REASONABLE opinion in the two. You form opinions of an entire company based on its marketing material and expect to be taken seriously. You have no credibility to what you say, and yet you inisist on talking down on something you know nothing about. You have no idea what you’re talking about, and that, is laughable
Quit while you can.
Michael has less of an ego than ANYONE I’ve met, which is funny considering he is the MOST capable man I’ve ever met. If I were him I’d be jumping up and down like a pomeranian yapping about how awesome I am – and I’d actually have the chops to prove it!
I think he may have sent his picture to some people privately, but it totally goes against his humble little sensibility to slather his image everywhere like Fidel Castro or Mao Ze Dong any time soon. He’s not the kind of person you’d find on MySpace. He’s too busy putting his nose to the grindstone and makes seemingly impossible things possible.
He’s the kind of person that says great things about other people or their work (even some of his “competitors”, he talks about kindly here), but he always tends to understate himself and his own work. He has this almost sort of English sensibility to him, where he’s constantly unimpressed with what he does, even if everyone else sees that its utterly amazing. Hey, even some rockstars, superstars, and moviestars are humble…
If it was completely up to him, we’d have descriptions of products that say something like “This product is OK, but why don’t you come back in 5 years and see what we have to show you then?”
Now that I think about it, this way he has about him probably helps him make better products! Stay humble, Harris!
That’s part of the reason he hired me, and has been looking for others like me. I’m a mouthpiece WITH ego and product experience who likes to talk to people, and I’m not afraid to really tell people (and sell people) a great product.
When we’re ready to start selling our products for real, I can guarantee you’ll see and hear a lot more of me and people like me. The kind of people that like working in the public eye.
Even Thomas Pain had a Thomas Jeffersion, and that worked out well. (Now Scott Blum representing buy.com on TV commercials, I don’t know about that!)
This page talks about CEOs like Scott Blum starring in their own commercials:
http://www.brandchannel.com/forum.asp?bd_id=73
I think it’s a little too kind to Scott. :o The commercials really turn me off to buy.com.
Also, the only pheromone manufacturer (a large one that makes many of the products you use) I know of that uses his picture, has links to badly forged documents with fake COAs and NMRs just a few paragraph away. What good is that? The guy is putting up his picture, and he’s a con. He’s doing things every bit as bad as the people who make Pherlure.
A picture itself says nothing. Con men are some of the first to stick their neck out there and use such trust building tactics. They have the confidence to do such brazen things, and that’s where the term “conidence men” comes from.
Good companies, on the other hand, make good products that make people happy they bought them. I haven’t seen Mr. Sony, and probably wouldn’t like the site if I did, but I love his HDTV video camera. Products like that require actual work, and our record more than speaks volumes here.
I’ve had it.
I have just been attacked over there by someone who obviously uses a different forum name here, since a user search did not show this name up at all.
Instead of having common decency, this person just launched the attack, inside a thread, NOT by PM - citing the post I made HERE about the Androtics users continuing to be enlightened, and if others want to stick with what they know that’s fine.
My main point in that post incidentally, was how it is SUCH a shame that we can’t all get along and pool our combined knowledge, but of course, human nature being the animal it is, only the negatives were highlighted, and THAT part was not even mentioned, or pertained to!
I sometimes wonder why we bother - I really do..
Whoever you are, let me just say I think it a very small thing to do to openly attack someone in a thread, and then make sure to damn them by ensuring you do NOT mention the point the post was made in the first place.
I have one thing to say to people who do such things: Stop throwing your damn toys out of your pram (no idea what the word is in the US - baby carriage maybe?), take the stick out of your backside, and realise that everything in this world is constantly evolving, and that includes the use of pheromones, and people who want to explore new territory are not wrong, if they want to move away from tried and tested methods.
No-one is right and noone is wrong in their thinking, but attacking people just to try to discredit them? That sucks.
Ail
It sucks to get personally attacked for mentioning something ‘non LS’ over there…sucks ever moreso when you get attacked for something said here. So I feel for you. I think its time we lay this all to rest, and let this thread fall into the bottom depts of the pheromonetalk archive. We all colletively shared our frustrations with our experience at LS, and as theraputic as that honestly was, obviously its gotten out of hand.
I really don’t want to see the same negativity I see there, manifest itself here. Looking at this thread in retrospect, I think a lot of things were said that probably shouldn’t have been, but I still stand behind it all. In the future though, I think it would be best if comparisons between LS and AR be left strictly to the products themselves. When it comes down to it, thats all that matters anyway. When people start talking down on the company, the forum and the participants, things get ugly. Let quality products speak for themselves.
Competition does great things for the consumers though. When companines compete, they strive to outdo each other, and it drives the quality of the product offerings up. In the past, LS had gone a long while without releasing anything new or worthwhile…boredom with their product line led me to venture here. Recently, however, LS has been aggressively adding new products in their line, which had been stagnent for quite a while, most likely to keep up with AR. More products to try is good for all pheromone users, and I’m thinking of picking up Bruce’s new beta release.
I still think LS has some very good quality product offerings. I’ve yet to try a none product that performs better than NPA (its those secret ingredients man), though I have yet to try the new TUTH thats supposed to be really good. On the flipside, SOE, which I thought was a freakin god-send for a long while, has been outdone by Instant Openness. And yeah, ammunition simply blows chikara out of the water. We’ll see how Bruce’s beta release goes though.
I think you people have misunderstood my intinital post, I was not bagging this site as such, although I could at a drop of a hat, and be extremely anylitical in the process, which is futile, because it will fall on deaf ears and probably be way over your heads in complexity. I was defending myself from a rather sad attempt at slander, (I say attempted, because seems they are not even capable of that) from certain forum members on this site even before I knew this site existed and became a member. However, just want to extend my thanks to Ail for bumping this thread to the forefront, I would never have known I was this popular. Thanks Ail, if I ever form a fan club, you will be the first I will inform to join!
I wont bother replying to the other individuals who have misunderstood everything I have said in my initial post because they cannot grasp a simple concept, any futher correspondence is a dead end street.
However, since Jasmin has some degree of authority, and is a representitive in this forum and their products, I will reply to you, with regards to my statements concerning namely the marketing of A314, I won’t bother with the other products you have on offer, because I will be writing a thesis. I just want to say, you didn’t need to go into reflex reaction with regards to my comments about Mr Mharris physical invisibility, the Man has every right to stay a Phantom, it was not an attack on the Man himself, I bet he is a Great Man, Honest and Sincere, it was an implied comment with regards to love-scent, and their relative transparency as a business. By the way, just for the record, you’re absolutely right, most Conmen don’t keep their faces hidden, however online fraudsters and SCHEMERS do!
With regards to A314, I own this product, so I can safely say in my opinion and in my experience, it does absolutely nothing for me, a few drops of extra virgin olive oil probably has a greater effect on others than A314 ever will.
Since I spent 70 bucks on this product, I think I have a right to scream and shout in this forum at its ineffectiveness, in fact, I think I have a duty to critique your whole marketing strategy concerning A314.
I’m sure A314.com took a long time to compile, most hot winded marketing pages do, but making a grand statement that WE wrote it is just plain silly.
I think you people have misunderstood my intinital post, I was not bagging this site as such, although I could at a drop of a hat, and be extremely anylitical in the process, which is futile, because it will fall on deaf ears and probably be way over your heads in complexity. I was defending myself from a rather sad attempt at slander from certain forum members on this site even before I knew this site existed and became a member. However, just want to extend my thanks to Ail for bumping this thread to the forefront, I would never have known I was this popular. Thanks Ail, if I ever form a fan club, you will be the first I will inform to join!
I wont bother replying to the other individuals who have misunderstood everything I have said in my initial post because they cannot grasp a simple concept, any futher correspondence is a dead end street.
However, since Jasmin has some degree of authority, and is a representitive in this forum and their products, I will reply to you, with regards to my statements concerning namely the marketing of a314, I won’t bother with the other products you have on offer, because I will be writing a thesis. I just want to say, you didn’t need to go into reflex reaction with regards to my comments about Mr Mharris physical invisibility, the Man has every right to stay a Phantom, it was not an attack on the Man himself, I bet he is a Great Man, Honest and Sincere, it was an implied comment with regards to love-scent, and their relative transparency as a business. By the way, just for the record, you’re absolutely right, most Conmen don’t keep their faces hidden, however online fraudsters and SCHEMERS do!
With regards to a314, I own this product, so I can safely say in my opinion and in my experience, it does absolutely nothing for me, a few drops of extra virgin olive oil probably has a greater effect on others than a314 ever will.
Since I spent 70 bucks on this product, I think I have a right to scream and shout in this forum at its ineffectiveness, in fact, I think I have a duty to critique your whole marketing strategy concerning a314, because I fell for it!
I’m sure a314.com took a long time to compile, most hot winded marketing pages do, but making a grand statement that WE wrote it is just plain silly.
Jasmin, I like your name, befitting for the industry you work in!
I gave the facts and clearly documented them, but I must apologize, as it wasn’t my place to respond to this thread.
“When you are arguing with a fool, make sure they aren’t doing the same thing.”
So EVERYBODY on BOTH sides just STOP IT! Don’t waste any more energy on this. Build, don’t tear down. Please.
Finis.