Hi in response to Catlord being kicked outta L/S, my feeling is, Who cares!!! I have been kicked outta so many better places then L/S that I have lost count.
In all fairness to that site while they treated me ok I must say the administrators act more like members of the Nazi party with their own interpretation of how they should patrol the forum.
So I ask you who made those SS administrators at L/S bosses? Who do they think they are? (Its a good thing they don’t have black jacks to use on us!) Don’t they have more important things to do then bully their forum members??? They are probably using too many of the wrong pheromones and oud combinations. (And they maybe compensated also)
We come here to have fun! We want to be more attractive,and we are always searching for the next new breakthrough,and to have a nice experience.
Therefore if L/S admins are nickel and diming people about their posts then I say to you – don’t post on L/S --and don’t spend your hard earned dough at L/S either. They have grown but they have lost their personal touch. Keep your Money ,-- and let them eat CROW and their own Admin Gestapo members…Seig Heil traderneil las Vegas
Haha!
Thats totally retarded.
There’s no freedom of speech over there at L/S.Its not a forum at all man!
Its just a place to solely promote and brag about their own products.
The LAST thing a company would wanna do is to piss off their own customers/clients like that.
lol it seems catlord inadvertently started a revolution over here.
I don’t have any beef with LS and their businsess. I respect their right to protect their business, though I think they step over the line by going to the exten that they do to police the forums. I don’t think they should get rid of some of their most valued customers so easily. Thats more hurtful to their business than helpful, esecially when they wind up venting about their experiences elsewhere (here).
I still post on the forum, mainly to support folks who ask genuine questions before they get slammed with the canned “its not the mones, it you” responses. There is some truth behind all of that, but it isn’t always helpful to shove these kinds of responses down people’s throats, or to flame them for not searching. After all these forums are made for the purpose of promoting education and support in the world of pheromones…not to put down those who approach things from a different perspective from those who frequent the forum. Its pretty f*cked up in my opinion, and I’m glad we don’t have to put up with anything like that here.
I really like the products offered here and the environment of the forum community. I hope that we can keep things around here the way they are; constructive to actual pheromone discussion, discovery, experimentation and exploration, and welcoming to new members, new perspectives, and new methodologies. We’re all here to learn more about pheromone use and to share our experiences constructively…it isn’t an ego trip like LS. Lets keep it that way.
I think LS felt they could rule the board with an iron fist before Androtics came along because there really wasn’t a comparable board around to “discuss” pheromones. Unfortunately the moderators at LS shape the conversations and the reactions to newbies over there. I remember when Catlord first started posting on LS because I think I jumped him for posting about Pherolure. Eventually I stopped protesting and started listening and even bought Pherolure to try it out. Amazing enough, it worked just as well as some of the LS products. I think at that point I realized that maybe there are other products that work just as well as LS’s products…maybe better. Thankfully I found this place and have been very happy with the products, the owner, the customer support and the conversations on this board.
So long as they maintain that type of influence over the posters there by policing the forums the way they do, they can perpetuate the illusion that every product other than what they offer is a scam. Its kind of manipulative and shady, but they do own the forum, and its their right to protect the interests of their profitablilty. If the quality of the products is top-notch, however, then there wouldn’t be a need to result to such tactics - the quality of the products will sell themselves.
As others have mentioned, Androtics is constantly on top of its game improving already top-notch products, and introducing QUALITY new products and entirely new pheromones. Innovation drives competition. Think of automotive companies - at the most fundamental level, no matter what you do to a car, it serves one purpose: to get you around. Consumers in the automotive market are very easily enticed by innovation, however. The automative companies that succeed are the ones who can keep up with innovative curve by constantly making superficial improvements to their vehicles. Doomed is the company who rehashes the same product time and time again. The same goes for pheromones IMO.
From a business perspective, Androtics has a major advantage over LS because they directly manufacture the products they sell, and can interact and respond to their market base (us) directly. This allows them to directly create products that more precisely suit the demands of its customers. Big corporations spend millions of dollars on market research trying to understand what their target consumers really want…the folks at Androtics need only visit this forum.
Of course LS has a forum of its own, but they lack the capacity to release products that directly reflect the demand of its customers as androtics has it. Instead of releasing products that are reactive to the wants of their customers, LS releases a plethora of arbitrary products in hopes of creating a demand for what they offer. All LS can really do is hunt down a pheromone manfucturer for a new product, release it, and hope it generates some buzz over the forums. If you look on LS’s product catalog, there are quite a few products offered that no one ever buys. Its as if they take a bunch new releases, throw them at the wall (so to speak) and hope some of them stick…meaning they hope some of them are actually good.
This was all fine and dandy for awhile, because as long as they maintain a stranglehold on the pheromone market and the passage of information regarding pheromones through their own forum, all anyone ever knows of quality products is what’s offered by LS. They could get by selling the usual NPA, AE, SOE, PI etc (most of which are never improved upon) and do quite well…so long as nothing better comes along. This is why androtics poses such a major threat to them.
All things considered, you can see why LS has gone to the extent they have to censor the promotion of competetive products. Again innovation, drives competition…as does quality…but when they control the passage of information, then perceptions of what is innovative and what is good quality is in their hands. So long as they can shut us up about promoting better products (such as whats offered here) they can control the buying habits of their customers.
My God, something I said actually got through? I felt like I was fighting an army by myself. And all to get the point across that bad advertising tactics do not logically make a bad product. That was all I was trying to say. I didn’t really care if anyone used Pherlure… I just wanted to expose the logical fallacy that was being rigidly adhered to. And I foolishly thought I could argue with them using logic… but the blindest man is the one who will not see. I wish you’d have posted your experiences with Pherlure. The only experiences that got posted besides mine, it seemed, were those of a couple of teenagers who were so impatient they gave up before they gave it half a chance, and a few guys who had decided it didn’t work before they tried it because they kept hearing that on the forums. I think they just wanted to say they’d tried it and I was hallucinating.
It really doesn’t matter. I had my experiences, and if nobody believed me, it didn’t mean anything versus if they did. The only reason I argued so hard was that I hate being told I am wrong when I know I am right. But eventually, being right wasn’t worth the BS anymore. Let them have their rigid beliefs. It doesn’t hurt me any. I was off getting crazy results.
As well as Pherlure worked for me, though, it only worked well enough that it can still be classed in my book at the end of the line for “best products”. It’s kind of like “almost a third as good as Androtics products”. My mixes, Liquid Lust or Seduction, blow Pherlure away totally - and I do mean totally. And they’re made entirely from Androtics products. Who needs almost as good, when you have the real thing, the best of the best, and you can roll your own to make stuff that’s (amazingly) even better than the sum of it’s parts?
In the end, rigid thinking only hurts the people who refuse to open their minds. It’s frustrating, but I have concluded that if people don’t want to listen, or open their minds to new ideas, if they’d rather stay in a rut, then I can only suggest to them an alternative point of view and no more. I don’t bother arguing anymore. I offer my point of view, and sit back to watch. Getting past the need to be right all the time isn’t easy…but even I can only bang my head against the wall so much before I get a headache.
I noticed much the same reactions to stuff like Dave DeAngleo’s material as the reactions to “other” pheromone products. DD’s material (an others) was often dismissed out of hand without reason or discussion. I have been looking over much of the currently available literature including DD, Mystery, the “Idiot’s Guide” and “X for Dummies” books, even Dr. Phil and John Grey’s Mars & Venus series, and find that there is useful stuff in almost all of it (although at my age a lot of it is “been there, know that already…” “wish I’d figured it out sooner…”). Unfortunately I kept seeing “our minds are already made up don’t confuse us with the facts” type attitudes that annoy me greatly.
I remember reading all through that, Catlord. They thought you were working for the opposition! Ridiculous..
You might be interested to know that Bel split the Liquid Trust thread at LS into two, after I went absolutely bananas at the regulars for accusing those who (myself included) had great results using Liquid Trust, of being affiliates of, or reps for Vero Labs.
The second part of the thread is now in Open Discussion…
As I pointed out to them - “Liquid Trust?” "Do any of you nay-sayers even know the meaning of the word “trust?..”
Went down like the proverbial lead-balloon, but I got my point across…
Yea I agree completely. There is a lot of posturing over there - everyone want to be the ‘Alpha’ over there without offering any real solutions. None of the ‘Alphas’ of course admit that they have issues/problems with women in their lives - they know it all of course!
I guess another reason why LS could be trying to divide this market up is because they have a lot of internet traffic and would definitely prefer that newbies stay there for their mone needs. I mean I like to research and search google a lot and it never ceases to amaze me how often something from the LS forum appears in my searches. They have something like 8 years worth of threads over there on pretty much every topic out there. I can see a lot of newbies finding out about LS and not knowing of anything else given that the word ‘Androtics’ is even policed at PM level.
LS is carrying LT on their online store. If they want to avoid good results of other brands on the forums, they shouldn’t carry them.
In my country, there’s no such thing as exclusive distributor anymore. Manufacturers go direct to end-users now. Distributorship is a stop-gap measure, especially when online stores from manufacturers are up.
I believe they want to gear the most praises for in-brew LS products & their exclusive/major brands. Other brands are just for show of how “big” a store is.
Word will get around of how bad is their attitude. It diffuses & repels just like an OD.
No, you misunderstand. We all bought the product from LS, but the cliquey regulars were trying to say that because just about every one of us who posted our great results was in their eyes, a “newbie,” we were obviously working as reps or some-such-thing, and that set this Arien’s blood boiling…
After reading all of this (I’ve been away since Friday), I must suspect that someone with un-good intentions(yes I know it’s not a word) must be perusing this forum looking for ammunition and not the kind you spray on at a club neither.
with what intention? id hate to think anyone bad-mouthing in either direction thinks it will get them anywhere…venting , on the other hand, is understandable.
Non-newbies also receive flak for praising some other products. It’s too obvious now with all the banning et all, in addition to their long-held wisdom of not condoning any mentioning of other manufacturers.
Each of us, use pheromones with an objective in mind, be it more fun, attraction or added respect. Manufacturers/vendors who help a user be successful with pheromones are highly appreciated & makes the customers feel valued.
I have ordered $400 worth of products from LS on my first purchase (more than a year ago), but returned more than half, because I couldn’t/didn’t know how to make the products work for me.
I would revisit the same products again, given that I have more field experience now, but decided not to, partly due to the lack lustre support & comments given when I was unsuccessful back then. Wouldn’t want to experience those again.
Besides, I have better choices now with dosed-products & custom delivery options
Go with the products/vendor that serves your objectives. Avoid those that hurt your sensibilities
Using pheromones should be an enjoyable experience, just like when I experience my first hit!
you know whats weird?
there are places and products that are great that i will never in my life try again, simply because the memory of being treated a certain way was too yucky an experience to get any enjoyment out it… AND for the same reason there are products or places that are just okay that i will return to again and again because how i felt when i left made an impression on me. some people,too, you just want to be around because it feels good to, and not for any other (sexual/incentive) reason …im rambling - im sitting around that table with the rest of “that 70’s show” cast
Anytime I post something positive about DD over there, and include scientific studies that support his conclusions I get blasted! When I posted ways to “create attraction” I was told that it’s not possible to create attraction, even after postinge examples.
Most of the time they would say I was promoting not being a gentlman and acting like a jerk! Nothing could be further from the truth! They just couldn’t get that, when said correctly, C&F comes across as playful teasing and builds sexual tension.
I haven’t really posted any of that stuff here yet. Hopefully there are a few more open minds here.
Hi in response to Catlord being kicked outta L/S, my feeling is, Who cares!!! I have been kicked outta so many better places then L/S that I have lost count.
