MX147 Instant Openness test mix- x3
MX105 A314 Test mix - x1
TUTH - x2
P79 - 25mcg
P83 - 25mcg
TAL - 5mcg
TAA oil - 40Mcg
Ever wear a mix so good that you seem to ‘own the room?’
A lot of really masculine, sexual notes in there, and I was a little worried about how that would turn out last night…very much a social kinda night, and was worried about lone-wolf type effects. MX147 has proven its worth though, in keeping things up beat, social and open, even in the presence of what could be highly overbearing sexual overtones.
Anyhow to sum up the results…won the favor a really goregeous lady, who had previously been rather unresponsive towards me. Shes the type who probably has guys going at her all the time, and as such puts off a prominent ‘hands off’ type of vibe. I got the phero kisses that people talk about for the first time…another girl, who is a very open flirt, kissed me on the neck (where P79 and TUTH were applied) on two occasions. When I pointed out to her that she had kissed me on the neck, of all places…she replied: ‘love it’
In general I felt socially and sexually ‘in control’ of the room… Hard to put how this mix felt and worked into words, but it was certainly a hit. This is a rather colorful social + sexual ‘attractive’ mix that is slowly improving upon itself as I get a feel for the ratios. Very much a work in progress as I tweak it each weekend…testing the individual ingredients behind it throughout the week. its very promising so far.
when you say you tweak it each weekend,
do you mean you tweak it to make it better, or just to suit your mood better like you were preparing an outfit or something?
i think i remembered talking to you once about phero-needs changing from time to time, and that i too would add or subtract due to mood/my own output maybe, but im real interested to know how easily duplicated the event is.
sounds like a kickass mix, do you think anyone could use it?
is there a type you would warn against it?
oh no it was of an “oOoh I love it”. people tend to communicate in fewer words when they’re drunk lol.
As far as the putatives go, I’ve gotten a fairly good handle on P79, but I’m trying to learn how to use P83. I seem to OD with P83 at anything above 25mcg, and it causes me to feel pretty aggitated…it fades within about an hour, so I’m thinking its a pretty fast diffusing pheromone. There’s defiantely an aggressiveness to P83…it isn’t really none-like, but high dose none+ high dose P83 definately doesn’t work out. Might work better with P79.
P79 + none is a hit though. P79 seems to take the sexual notes of none further with less of the negative effects. I seem to get good results with P79 at around 20-30mcg…though I’ve yet to hit an ‘upper limit’ with it. I’d like to see if a higher dose of P79 with maybe a dash of P83 could work just as well as none, without the negatives
I thought I might find someway to eliminate none from my mixes altogether, but haven’t found anything that sufficiently gets the job done so far. I have cut down considerably on the amount I use, when I do use it of course.
I also have P74, but haven’t gotten around to trying that much. Still trying to figure everything else out.
TAL + Instant Female Magic is good stuff. Women will eat out of your hands while wearing it, and I’ve noticed that it can literally cause women to crowd around you. I remember one night distinctly where all the women were huddled around me, and all the guys sat at the other end of the table..there was a clear gap between me and the rest of the guys (might have been an unconscious reaction to IFM?), but I wasn’t complaining lol.
aaaand out of the Instant Openness test pack series, MX147 was my favorite. Really love it.
As far as TAA goes, 40mcg makes me feel a little light-headed…mix that much TAA with a bit of TAF and I’m straight cracked out.
I’m still not sure what benefit TAF presents to me…I’ll have to test it further to see where it ‘fits’ into my mixes.
so anyway…all of this info gathering is being incorporated into an work-in-progress ‘attraction’ mix. This type of mix is arguably the most complicated, as it needs to suit all sorts of social interactions. It needs to place you in a benficial social position, project a strong enough sexual tone, while being a bit open and comfortable with the women. You want to appeal to all people in the room…its what makes you stand out. You don’t want anything so aggressively/sexually overbearing that it leaves you outcasted…being socially in the center of things is where you want to be. I like to incorporate a small amount of female/comfort notes, mostly to affect the mood/confidence of the women around me and make them more responsive/receptive (I need to try TAH)…but not so much that it softens me up too much. Balance is key.
In its current state the mix looks like this:
Masculine/Aggressive Notes
-Turn Up The Heat older batch: 2 sprays
-P79 25mcg
-1 part A314 (or spray variant)
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Social Notes
-TAA: 20 Mcg
-MX 147 (instant Openness test): 2 sprays
Again I’ll probably be tweaking this more as I learn more about how everything works. Its interesting to see how these mixes can evolve on you. The mix I wore when I initially made this thread was good…but things were definately more interesting when I threw IFM in
This is a mix I play with anytime I head out for the night…a bar, club, lounge…anywhere with women and alcohol lol. A daily mix, work mix, or even date mix calls for something a bit simpler…but anytime I’m out and about and need to make a strong impression and standout with the laidies, I’ll bust something like this out. It’s my A-game mix lol.
I tweak it each weekend in hopes of finding something better…sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t. Tonight for instance I tried it out and swapped P83 for P79…kinda OD’d on 83 + Turn Up The Heat I think. Not really a repulsive mix, but it put me in a sour mood for a little bit. Truthfully its good enough as is, but there’s always room for improvement. I certainly think you have to risk making something worse, if you want to try to make something better. I think a lot of people lose sight of that fact when it comes to pheromone use.
I do vary my mixes depending on the social context I’ll be in, but I really don’t vary them too much on my mood. My mood is fairly stable lol. I do feel that I wear a different personality in different situations…ie the way I carry myself at work or with my frat is and has to be highly different from the way I carry myself in a more casual context. or…the way I carry myself with a large group of people, and how I carry myself when alone with a woman can be a bit different. I certainly think the pheromones I wear should reflect that.
It is often hard to duplicate an event though…often because how a pheromone mix plays out is highly dependent on whats really happening around you. In the case of my little attraction mix, a bunk variant could really be a function of a bunk night…a good variant could really be a function of a good night.
I think if you know the individual pheromones and products well enough though, you can really see them individually going to work and projecting different effects. Even if the pheromone reactions are highly dependent on the social context their worn in, you can see how the presence of different pheromones alters things (for better or worse). Its a bit tricky when I’m with playing with a mix that contains so many pheromones I’m not all that comfortable with…This is why I try to test-run them throughout the week so I know whats really going on.
There’s quite a lot going on in there, so there would likely need to be some tweaking done with the ratios. I’m thinking the general direction of the mix (highly positive and harmonious) should work well for a lot of people, but there are a lot of variables to consider. The pheromones I choose for this mix are highly reflective of myself, and my characteristics.
So far in my early testing I have to agree with you with the P83. It seems to make me aggressive and quite angry at 25 mcg. I haven’t noticed many benefits but have to try it more with ‘lighter’ mones (like ANol, TAA).
Sig, ridiculously awesome information you have posted here. I’m glad you got a chance to swing around and elaborate on it further!
I went and tried P83 today. I’m going to bounce threads and post it here when I start it…
TAL on men… now that sounds interesting. I’ve had guys report a strong sense of sexy attraction, but too much can make the mix overbearing and distancing. Any comment?
Sigma, lots of good information here. I was wondering if you noticed anything about the diffusivity of P79. You say P83 diffuses fast? Are you using them with DPG/Neroli, or with other scents?
I am also curious as to the lower limit of P79, I seem to be getting good results with maybe 10 mcg amounts. I agree with accentuation of positive -none aspects with P79. It adds approachability in my opinion and more overt IOIs. But I have noticed it doesn’t last very long (~1 hour). I have P79 with Akuto. I am wondering if it needs refreshing every hour at very small amounts instead of putting all at the same time. Like say 2.5 mcg/hr, starting with an initial 10 mcg on you.
I also recall Tacitus’ post on using low P83, like 10 mcg tops, although he did later report results on 50 mcg P79/P83 combo.
All of my mones (with exception to TAA) are dissolved in Neroli, with not other added scents.
I played around with lower amounts of P79 for awhile…5-15mcg range…the effects were decent, but not real obvious. I got ballsy and tried to OD on it and found really good results at 25mcg and up. The effects do seem to last a good while though…doesn’t have the longevity of androstenone, but certainly lasts a good 4 hours or so. Give it a try at higher amounts and see how it goes…might account for the difference in longevity.
I have a more concentrated bottle of P79 on the way…I’m gonna see how far I can take it.
P83 on the other hand…I haven’t been able to hit a successful amount with it…not without being used in conjunction with a lot of other mones anyawy. To me it almost feels like it carries the aggression of none without the sexual end (just an initial take on it). I can see where this might be beneficial to me…but likely at lower amounts.
Too much of any girly pheromone seems to spell disaster for me. Not really distancing, but it can cause condescension…and at times make you feel too in line with women…‘gay best friend’ effect.
I tend to use female pheromones rather conservatively knowing this. I seem to have good results with Instant Female Magic at low amounts, so I used this as a sort of model for TAL. Its been highly positive so far.
Sexy attraction indeed…more receptivity and reaction from women…seems to break down social walls with women much more quickly, and in a slightly sexual manner…more flirting, more touching. Good stuff. It’ll certainly help get the job done more quickly.
With P79, I feel there is a primary effect which maybe lasts for 30 minutes max of ‘let’s do it’, a burst of energy and excitement. Then there is another effect that lasts for a good couple of hours which is a focused, ‘personalising’ effect which make you feel you are really into a movie if you are watching one or you are really into a discussion if that is what is going on. I usually wear 12.5-25 mcg for these effects at a time and no more. I like the primary effect quite a bit - it has definitely paid off for me a couple of times when I wanted things to happen physically with women.
Tacitus did mention that high doses of P83 do feel ‘heavy’. However he mentioned ‘greasy pig sex’ with 100 mcg of P83 and 30 mcg of P79. He definitely thought there was a somewhat erotic element to P83 for him. The good Putatives so far
In that same thread, Carrie wore 50 mcg of P83 with a perfume on a night out and her husband was clearly activated.
Carrie: “P83 feels none-like to me; at least it makes me/us more dominant, edgy, impatient, uninhibited. I didn’t feel sexually aroused by wearing it alone (though I have before when wearing it with cops). W didn’t seem to be aroused by it either…”
Recently, during a long party, I started with some residual The Edge and over a couple of hours added different pheromones to the mix, tested, went to the bathroom and added something else. All results were good and as expected, but nothing crazy happend - until I added 50 mcg of P79 to this complex mix.
While my girlfriend left for a minute to go dancing, a 20 years old girl, exceptionally good looking (I am almost twice her age) and normally out of my league, approached me for no reason. She started with “I don’t really know anybody here” and then started talking my ears off while not just invading my space but literally rubbing herself on me. This is what I would call a hit.
When my gf returned, she backed of a bit but stayed close. She tried it for about half an hour until I kissed my gf and she left, looked angry and did not say good-bye.
I had seen her at that party for hours, before she approached me. I had not flirted with her in any way. My pheromone mix was complex and not really planned, but 45 min. before I put on the P79, I had added a couple of sprays of a mix of Instant Shine, Instant Openness and Instant Honesty. However she approached me only after I added 50 mcg of P79 to this.
So I agree to Visionary’s desriptions of the “let’s do it” effect
Too expand on this a bit (because I was too drunk to do so when I made the above post lol).
P74 seems to work better at creating social magnetism with women than TAL, so I swapped them out to see how things would change. The mix certainly changed in a highly positive direction, adding a much stronger attention grabbing element to things.
In general this mix works really well because it centers a lot of attention on me when I wear it. P74 seemed to accentuate this centralizing effect further, creating a lot of very strong social results, as well as some openly sexual ones. The women around me were certainly more attentive. The ones I interacted with were highly, highly flirtatious, and DIHL’s were coming left and right. I usually pay little regard to DIHL’s as a measure of the pheromones effects, but when they happen that frequently, it really needs to be noted.
MX102 really does help ground P74 a bit…its a little ‘up in the air’ socially by itself.
To sum up my results with the night…my friend and I were talkin on the way home and he says to me:
“How do you know so many girls? I have a lot of female friends, but they never come up and talk to me and act the way they do to you. Do you have some sort of secret pimping skills I don’t know about?”
I’ll be running this mix again tomorrow with the inclusion of IFM.
Interesting! I didn’t think TAL was much of an ‘attractant’ either. P74 sounds somewhat similar to Estratetraenol. Est seems to create social magnetism too I guess and I’ve found it a useful add-on socially.
with 100 mcg of P83 and 30 mcg of P79. He definitely thought there was a somewhat erotic element to P83 for him.