Whether to be both and how to do it? IJ one day and A314 the next? Sending mixed signals is so wicked.
Gotta keep 'em guessing Monesmademedoit!
Stoat and Cat Playing Together - YouTube I am a fan of the hyperactive stoat approach.
All the things from all sides.
Part of your change in perceptions (casual bangin’ vs. nesting) is the effect of using these mones over time. Call it HPA / HPG axis sh’t. Basically. You are gradually shifting the axis a bit due to input feedback from olfactory and dermal receptors. When people speak of “congruence” that’s what they mean. Entrainment. I use the anaology of inertial guidance.
Think of altering metabolic set points say in obesity or extreme weight loss. Obesity is tuff 'cause the body tries to maintain inertia (even if the inertia is being heavy).
For the record: I’m not into nesting! I’m just not being as shallow as I have been before. I’ve always needed some sort of personality to do the deed but now it’s like the looks aren’t there but I’ll still do the deed if the guy is cool (wtf!)
And I was also remembering more of the guys- there are some who have been as hot, or hotter than they have been in the past so it’s not that they have decreased in number. It’s just that the average dudes with cool personalities have just started making an appearance in my sex routine (increasing in number) so that’s what was throwing my number off and making me doubt myself.
It’s not a change in my maturity, or place in my life. It’s not about a change in my goals. It’s something about finding other ways to be attracted to someone that I think mones have allowed me to explore.
P96 is not really a casual sex pheromone. Part of your mix is working at cross purposes. For example, IJ and P96 for men I don’t see it. The vibes don’t fit. Fundamentally, what signal is P96 sending? What signal are you attempting to send? To whom? Are you sending a commitment signal or swinger signal?
Many men will be confused by this mix. Which I think explains why some of these previous seductions have not had longevity.
You are mixing monogamy and sexual fling mones at the same time. Which are you seeking? The two cannot coexist in the same space at the same time. You cannot be monogamous with one guy and others simultaneously.
I don’t see P96 here. P96/P74 and P78/-enone are “chalk and cheese” as some would say. 96 and 74 or bonding pheromones. Who are you bonding to? 78/-enone are sex fling oriented. You are sending a player vibe and bonding vibe at once that would confuse a man mind. Push/pull. If you don’t see it let me know I will try to explain.
I see your point and I heed your caution but I feel we have discussed this already.
I am working in reverse. I would rather build something from a steamy sexual relationship than hope somebody I’m compatible with is good in bed with me. I am looking for a very specific type of man- who fulfills me sexually and can connect with emotionally. I can get along with everyone and can be everyone’s friend- but I cannot create sexual chemistry when it is not there. I am mixing bonding with sexual mones because I want the bonding to happen while and after we are sexing. I want to be associated as both the sex goddess I am and the trusting woman they can confide in and share their feelings with. This is the foundation to something real- not a dinner date and movie.
Many of the casual flings have not turned into something real because it was never our intention to from the beginning, based on our conversations and dialogue- not my mone usage.
For the most recent examples, Dream Boat and Swinger Guy, we met under very sexually charged environments- so steering that into something else will take work.
I know that you disagree with this type of “confusion” but I really don’t believe we are so black and white-- I think both messages can be sent simultaneously. But I’m also new- so we will see what happens.
BAMMO GIRL SAID IT.
MMDI is a dude. fellas just don’ understand.well maybe they do and they are kidding themselves. male mammal brain is simpler than female AJSfK:JFSDFKSDJFISJFISAIFIJEOREROERAFFEVERYTHINGMOREMOREMORE brain.
Girlythings in the digital age HAVE TO AS A NECESSITY EXPERIENCE 10-15 lives at once.
okay so when i am fuckin’ i am your high school crush, your mother, sister, housewife, girlfriend, ex girlfriend, yer male best friend, your history teacher, your weird pervy aunt, your shrink… i am the indian, the construction worker, the bikerdude, (wait there are four letters in YMCA what is the other one…) your fuck you, i’m fucking everything! many many many many many lives.
im addiced to many lives. my girlfriends are addicted to many lives. this is why my wardrobe is larger than my bedroom and i steal clothes from my employers all the time. (okay shut up this is standard practice in my field because my employers get al this shit for free). we cant decide. we want it all. boys dont get this. not as naturally as girls do. we have to teach them it is okay that we are everything and its not scary to be fucking your or anyones mother.
so if somehow i have learned that this sexy guy i have with me’s mom called him pequeno mijo, you fucking believe i’m going to be mindfucking him al night with that and making his guts explode trying to figure it all out…and at the same time allowing him the feeling that thats fucking okay…because it is… everything and nothering all at once always.
MONES MAKE THIS 10000X MORE INTENSE. confusion is sexy… its like sexual tension 101. aggressive shebitchdivas like scientist here and myself totally get this and ride the sexual tension like an 8foot cock…i fuck the sexual tension like i fuck me mens.
part of this chameleon game is NOT having worldly baby bullshit weighing you down! okay so lady wants no business in the child department. because ive seen mothers. no like real life mothers. not the ones who are playing makefuck believe and having grown bearded boys suck from their nipples at 7am sunday morning… um when a partygirl accidentally gets knocked up HER LIFE IS OVER. the formerly IDONTWANNABABYIWANNABEFREE chickity is now watching cupcake making youtubes and how to change lightbulb youtubes and she just fucking forgets/loses her phone. try talking to one.. its always “im reeeally busy right now fuck please kill me everything sucks”
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the point please madam
ladysci knows this, gets this, she-likeme-probably wants to ride the sextension cock into next decades sunset.
the baby bump ignites a chain reaction of like crazy insane consequences that anyone born in like - say - 1984-present who is living a satisfying-or-at-least-seemingly-satisfying life is like “whoa nelly no no nooooo. i gotta good thing going here… not…fucking..this…up..yet…i only have enough spare TIME and money for like one bath” and with the way the economy is going its every pussycat for themselves. instead this NEWgen traded kickass fulfilling careers for babies and we are nursing those instead. and unlike a baby you can leave at night and get yer jollies off without fear of it dying.
totally nothing against mothers…i’m always candidate #1 when youngmomfriend texts me at 9:36pm like “fuckshitneedhelpfuckdyingahhhhPLEASE” to go over and help with the stew of caca smell and black char in the rice cooker and just needing someone on traderfuckingjoes duty… thats called being a friend… and being a well rounded individual… and cmon srsly kids are cute.. but day in and day out of that… SLAMS THE DAMN BOOK SHUT on one part of yer life and HITS YOU IN THE HEAD WITH IT on another…
obvs i can go on about this for another 10 pages but i’ll :X for now
#JETTRANT
#DROPTHEMIC
#FELLASJUSTDONUNDERSTAND
#THISPOSTBROUGHTTOYOUBYVODKA&P96
ps. omfgwhat. swingers party. noway.
Oh. I do understand. I haven’t been around you personally but people with similar personalities. Enough to see what P78 will do.
Men are possesive. P96/74 are LTR mones. Half of your mix is screaming LTR and the other is not. It is a tug of war.
My lizard brain responds to 96/74. I grab the message you send. Which is you want LTR. You are signaling not sleeping around and I don’t want you with other guys.
But P78 and -enone. I have had 3-hour erections on P78. And not always conveniently.
Lizard brain either wants a long term GF or wants to hit everything he can get hands on. GF aint letting me sleep around and honestly I dont want her with other guys either.
Lizard brain may not want LTR he gives and takes no commitment. But lizard brain cannot do both at once. Girls can guys cant. Either I want you to myself and will give myself to you alone or I want you to get dressed and leave in AM until I am lizard horny again.
If you are not looking for LTR drop the P96 and P74 my advice stands. Keep the 274 / P78 /-enone .
Elizabeth I was sought by every man and married none. Childless. Human sexuality and psych has gone on 1000’s of years.
I really do get it. I fear sometimes though women miss how cunning and tricky men are when they are on lizard brain sex hunt. We can and will tell you whatever you want to hear that we are or are not interested in LTR if we want in your pants bad enuf. There is no lie too big.
I saying (politely) your mix would leave many guys sexually frustrated, emotionally confused and even a bit annoyed.
You see, some of us, we were not born with a big d’ck. We got a big brain instead. And we’re totally onto you. We play stupid. But we completely get where you are and where you are going. Because the game is fun. I play not hard to get but impossible. Drives women nuts.
Yep. The harder the girl tries the harder I hold out. One day I give in, the next I don’t give a sh’t.
jett has also seen the 3 hour inconvenient p78 boner.
jett expresses jett sympathies. here is the tissue for your… hahahahahaha… hahahahaha… no really. (hugs) (sideways hugs actually)
this is like the best quote on this entire board and so warranted right now.
how many fucking times have i tried to make sexual chemistry happen when its not there! fuck too many. AGHGHHGHH.
hello read that again.
and again
put that shit in your pipe and smoke it people.
I am not sure men bond like that. We either want you always or don’t care. I would choose IH or P96 vs. P74. Be selective about wearing it. P74 is the fallout molecule but you don’t want fallout? See the problem? You do see right? Fallout = LTR.
Of course I would never stop you trying whatever you want. But I don’t think this is going to get you want you want. You may find a great guy and this mix will piss him off. He will get annoyed. This mix would annoy me.
And I have the d’ck so I am slightly qualified. This mix would spin my heart into different places. I would get annoyed. Men when they get upset flee whatever bothers them. They would take an icepick to the kneecaps rather than have a broken heart. I would run like hell. I could not handle the emotional rollercoaster. I don’t ovulate. I like my emotions stable and happy.
I would only add that yes, I know you want results you want to get laid the female mind is complex. I got no ovaries what the F do I know. OK I have a devious motive.
If professional women like Lady and Jett dont start making new MX they aint going to be none. Hopefully I have given you some info how to use 78, 74 and these others. Test all these ideas you can. Cause otherwise it aint going to happen now how no way. I can make a mix and bottle it for you but I am not a girl I can only do so much.
And get some TAH, BTW.
Your destiny ladies is in your hands. Nobody gonna make MX for ya. YOU must do it.
Mmdi brings up a very good point- boys run when they get scared and When they can’t handle the fear of their heart getting broken.
I’m not looking for this kind of guy- let him run!
If a guy is worried about a broken heart, why even try?? Thats not what pisses me off with women. Its constant shit tests. Shit tests are BS. OK if it is in the category of teasing, OK fine I can deal with a bit of that. Teasing and shit tests are two different things. But if it is a full frontal extended assault, even if I can tell she is interested, Im out. Next. Maybe its my age, but I dont have time for it.
As far as MMDI’s comments, in theory, I guess what he says makes sense to me. But its hard to say as I have not tested that on myself with someone else wearing the mones..as far as I know. I personally have not told anyone that I wear mones, and I dont know anyone else in my circle that wears them openly. This adds a whole new level of testing technique for me. I guess it would be easier to just read about LS’s exploits with these mixes. Am I making sense?? I was up half the night working on something and I fear Im not all there this morning. I fear Im ramblin…
Some additional points to consider:
Again, age. And I don’t mean conscious or obvious changes in outlook, station in life, goals etc.. But hormones and brain-chemistry. Those change with age. Those discussing here believe in artificial pheromone-products to change their perception, mating-habits and so forth. Why negate that a change in the substances or their ratios that your own body produces will have an (even bigger) impact? If artifical mones will manipulate your or others behaviours, those changes will as well. Subconsciously. You may even deny or ignore/rationalize them for a long while. They will predate analyse and verbalizing - and someday you will come to conclusions that you think are your souvereign decision reflecting your station in life and experiences - while big parts are just modified body-chemistry.
Why do you LadySc and Jett think you are the women you are in the first place? Right. Your genes and biochemistry. You’re beautiful, virile and vital. You don’t need to find a provider and settle down/nest asap as many other women do. You have options and it’s only natural and justified that you go through a prolonged process of selection of mating-partners. Understandably you have a strong preference for partners with a strong sexual chemistry and attraction. They’re likely the most “valubale” (physically) ones you encounter. Why go for anything less. That’s you lizard-brains ladies, nothing more or less complex as with males here.
And still, eventually nature will stake out it’s claims. Motherhood, nesting and so forth. Even though that is not necesseraily or destinctly what you want in your life, there will be conflicts. You will compensate or sublimate those, maybe even not perceive them as such.
Another thing is the whole cultural sheebang and the way you’re socialized. Jett’s contributions are a prime example. Hedonistic western girl with a peculiar concept regarding motherhood and what a girl has (!) to be in the digital age! I think you can only speak for yourself.
I agree with MMDI that you better focus on one message you want to convey with your mones and use them accordingly. LTR signal should be easier. It will attract the like-minded and those guys out there for the fun will not be driven away if you take care of the sexual tension with your other means. .. As mmdi said, we will playact our part to get in your pants. If feigning LTR-interest is necessary, no problem.
If a signal is very conflicting, you will drive away lot of men for sure. I’m with CP there. A signal like a constant shit-test. That would be annoying. Not because men would fear rejection or feels inferior. A constant shit-test would feel like a fundamental insult. Why should one tolerate that?
Grown men (some fearless) have no emotional bonding switch to flip and are not such pliable putty. I know none. Not to seem insensitive I cannot bond for fours every other Tuesday. I can’t turn it on/off at a whim. Love is not like that.
ugh. You guys are just confirming that whole wifey material vs fuck worthy thread I started when I first joined. Men can’t see us both.
I AM BOTH. I can’t deny what I am and I really want my mone signature to reflect that. and I want a fucking man to accept me for it, AND ADORE ME FOR IT.
Why does bonding necessarily have to mean LTR? Haven’t we discussed at length that bonding, evolutionarily, is pretty much 1.5 years, long enough for pregnancy/childbirth/rearing?
And you’re assuming that guys can “read” these mone signals like they can “read” a book. A guy can’t EVEN READ MY TEXTS WHICH ARE IN ENGLISH. (referring to #1 crush completely forgetting I was out of town, despite being told 3x)
And do you really think a guy has to try to get in my pants? (referring to pretending to be in it for the LTR just to fuck) Yes, I’m lizard-brained. Most of the time.
The conversation is usually:
Me: You’re hot
him: thanks, you too
me: do you have a gf?
him: Nope (probably lies)
me: cool
him: do you have a bf?
me: not exactly
him: do you want to get out of here?
me: how big is your dick?
You get the point.
It’s not like I’m making guys prove anything to me- if they are expressing themselves emotionally towards me, it’s not for more sex, it’s because they want to.
I’m not the kind of girl that makes guys take me out to dinner 3x before sex. I don’t need to hear that they are being loyal to me. So this discredits your play-acting theory.
I also think the Fallout has the potential of making guys run anyway because these sexual deviants are not trying to be locked down in the first place. It’s the equivalent of trying to order whiskey at a wine/beer bar.
The only way I’m gonna get the whiskey, is if some smart man snuck it in (which is usually me).
Rule-breakers seek other rule-breakers, whom we don’t find, without breaking the rules.
Host’s Note: Moved a few posts from Thoughts from a Pervert- The Journal since they fit better within the confines of this discussion.
When asking her permission to move, Ms Scientist explains,
I am somewhat rejecting marriage/sex as a false dichotomy. You may have sex OR bonding. My price for both is you do not bang other dudes, or you get no bonding. You want both. I will not give it to you, but I will fake it to get sex. We know girls fake orgasms. Modern men play the game too.
I also have found this to be true. Going along with the previous inertia analogy.
Not long ago, I became involved with this guy who, from the get-go, was all about romancing me and the whole puppy-love shebang. Certainly would’ve been fun under normal circumstances, but I had to explain to him that my life is very far from normal right now. I told him that he’s welcome to stick around as long as he’s ok with not being a high priority for me. My priorities currently involve being self-sacrificing in order to get my family through this season of crisis. He said he was ok with that, and I gave him some attention every few days. But he got restless, and confronted me about not giving him enough attention. I reminded him that this is exactly how I said things would be, and if he can’t handle it, he’s free to walk away. He claimed that he didn’t want to walk away, and he’d be there for me. But when things kept being the same, he got fed up and walked away. A couple weeks later, he came back to check if I was ready to change. I wasn’t, and my situations had actually worsened. I haven’t heard from him since.
Perhaps I could say that I dodged a bullet and that he didn’t have what it takes to really be there for another person. I don’t know. But what I do know is that he started out with a specific desire, and that desire didn’t change even though he tried to rationalize the situation for a while. In the end, that initial desire being unmet is what made him part ways. I think it’s a doomed venture to try convincing a guy to switch tracks to something he never signed up for in the first place.