Straight to the point:
What creates a willingness for commitment in men? Yes, the dreaded C word.
What feelings trigger your choice to make a woman LTR status? I’m putting together a mone mix and a boyfriend is my goal. Not a hookup, a boyfriend. Is it lust? Connection? Openness? What do you, personally, need to feel to make that leap with a woman. I need the chick version of the Pheromone WMD (great thread, haha)
Tools (the wish list. will make purhcase decisions based on the conversation here): P74
P83
P81
IS
P78
IS/b
IH
MX 937
also looking into EST
Backstory:
I’ve been infatuated with a dude for 2 years. I was seeing someone else year 1 so ignored the attraction. Then, he was deployed overseas in year 2. Crikey. We have seen ahem a LOT of eachother on his breaks. Started as a mutual fling, but I developed serious feelings. We’ve both spoken up that whatever we’ve got here is special.
He is recently home permanently and asked me to see him. On the phone he’s all about the “i miss you”, “we’re great together” stuff. Good communication, laughter, respect all the cute part is there. The sex. is. amazing. and he tells me how attracted he is to me often. He’s also not had a legit girlfriend since college. Notorious among his friends for being a non-commitment type. I knew this when we first hooked up last year. He says he’s gotten a lot less scared of commitment but has made no statements about being less scared in my specific direction lol. I know the LTR push has to come from him, though. We’ve got a great connection, I’m interested in what 'mones can do to kick it up and, well, make him putty in my hands.
I’ve been clear that I don’t want just sex anymore. He says he’s in the same place. If it turns out he doesn’t want a GF or isnt intersted in me for that job I’ll be bummed but I’ll get over it. I really want to use this last visit and just see how it goes. Hopefully he makes a move and asks me to be with him. Wanna make that choice as easy as possible, understanding that 'mones can only do so much.
So, gentlemen: What makes you emotionally take the plunge with a woman and commit? And how can I replicate that in a bottle, haha. I would really appreciate it.
Woah… Some cool mones you have to choose from! You look like you’ve read up on mones with other posts on this forum.
EST, yes, a good one, IME, great one for sexual comfort and attraction for gals. Difficult to use and if you don’t have much time to try and test and try again… I’d leave it out for now.
IS/b, IShine, and IH would be my recommendations for the commercial line, for sure!
For the Putatives, I would point you to P74 and P83.
Though, from your post, you have a few things going on with your target. So, I would ask you to focus on WHY he’s the One… and WHY You’re the ONE for him. List them out to understand your feelings and clarifying your position with him.
Take a look at this cool video on it relationships…
Mones are one component in the complexity of your social interactions. Now, as you’re in Training in multiple aspects of your life, including the Bombshell… , I’ve seen this video for getting the results that you want.
Appreciate the great recommendations, mones and otherwise.
Hearing that Tony Robbins, 21st c. demigod of enlightenment, was also commitment avoidant at first with his wife made me chuckle…either out or happiness or despair, lmao.
Will definitely take your suggestions on reflecting, getting to the nuts and bolts of what I"m after and asking myself the right questions before this meetup to heart. Also very much appreciate the mone suggestions.
I’m tring not to hold onto any delusions. We respect eachother and have hooked up a few times over the past year. He’s in my same time zone and sorta (?) open to dating someone who he has not specified as me…yet he calls me all the time. I am full aware how dicey that is, lol. I figured as long as I keep myself comfortable and make it about spending time together and just hanging out, not sex, I’ll be cool with whatever direction it takes or doesn’t.
If he doesn’t wise up, I will surely make use of them elsewhere in time
From my own tests, I feel the fallout or crush effect (seldom used terms in female reports) is bi-directionally possible. 20 mcg or more P74 may help. Try also using 3-4 sprays IH and/or IShine with your P74. The best evidence comes from the I H / 74 combo. Be willing to consider 6 sprays of I H. Some people get a headache from large amounts of I H or Shine. However, it is the same steering pheromone that causes the ache that also causes the crush. The mone tends to deplete neurotransmitters, but is also perhaps a powerful pheromone neurosteroid. Betanol by itself, for example, has few of the OD or crash reports compared to Shine. Big sprays of I H can get downright surreal, but there’s more than betanol going on there. Certain molecules have and indelible affect on memory. The primary signature of your mones (TAA, for example) becomes associated with you. You become a lasting memory of a source of positive feeling. People sensitive to Shine may be better able to see these patterns in their tests. Thus why Shine and TAA not equal, and why CTTM or 50/50 alpha and beta nol doesn’t equal 50/50 IO and I H.
Yes, I’d pursue the IH/P74 combo in this situation - I’ve always found it pertty unisex in its effect and MMD’s right - Be ready to go high on the IH - I often used 2-4sprays of 4x IH back in the days you could get it and didn’t need a mortgage for the stuff!
Although I was never pursuing anything sexual/relationship around guys, I don’t think they suffer the “bestest-friend” effect that a woman can get with too much P74 so badly - I never seemed to have any shortage of gay “admirers” or straight “followers” nor any less outright propositions with fairly hgh doses P74 - so it looks to me that a woman could go much higher on the P74 around guys - try a dose that would let you dose in the 45-60mcg range for starters.
Personally I don’t think P83 is a critical fallout phero but IME its great value is in letting any underlying/inhibited feelings be expressed more forcefully/physically.
Thanks much. I appreciate learning more about the nuances. I came in such a skeptic when I started researching the topic of mones but the more I learn/see/hear the more this feels like a real life version of X-Men powers and stuff.
It really makes me wonder what other stuff exists that people never talk about, lol. So friggin’ cool.
I was loling pretty hard at ‘bestest friend’ OD effect. How disappointing on the man side to drop all this money on mones and come out living an episode of Will & Grace with his target. lol. oh, man.
Followup Question #1: How do I get my hands on 4x IH? I’m willing to pay whatever it takes. Not seeing anything but regular strength available on the small sprayers or the larger bottles? I hear so much about it…definitely interested in getting some.
Dumb Question #2: To get 45-60mcg of P74 going, is that a matter of how much I spray on? Or, when I order do I need to ask for it in that strength? Yeah…n00b questions :o but I gotta get this right.
Important Question #3: Where should I put these on my body to avoid self effects? It would be a disaster if I dosed on ANY of this around this guy…I’m already a hot, gooey cookie straight out of the oven for him!
4x IH
45 - 60 mg, P74
Looking for specific recommendations on dosage for the rest of my brew
P83
IShine
IS/a (<— with no context, I sent him a text: “Natalie Portman or Angelina Jolie”. He replied Jolie emphatically. IS/b went out the window, lol)
Finally, after much consideration, pretty sure I’m going to push him past the point of no return and add cops. EOW is going in for the unfair advantage. Stirring up that high key desire while fully dressed, in daylight when we’ve both taken sex off the menu…I want to spark that want it/can’t have it thing men seem to enjoy so much.
Going in for the kill, y’all
Tips to refine the ingredient mix amounts are appreciated. Also, please let me know if I am missing any key mones.
Yes… I was smiling widely with that reference to a best bud scenario…
For the IH, all it is, if you get regular strength IH, (consider it as 1x strength), 4 sprays of it.
If you get IH (2x strength), only need 2 sprays to get to your 4. That’s it!
For the P74 dosages, these are suggestions that may or may not work exactly as experienced by other forum members. So, Y.M.M.V…
When you order the putatives, you’ll be asked for the mcg (mu) amount PER spray. So, if you get the 15 mcg, you’ll get to 45 mcg in 3 sprays. That’s it!
For self effects to be minimized, if you get them, is first and foremost, MENTAL discipline… Understanding how the mones are influencing you and REALIZING it when it’s happening. It does take time and experience to get there and even so, I also drop the ball and go blurting out or being a bit too open when I’m using IO for example.
As to physical application points, I would suggest back of the neck, top of your head and if you’re wearing a skirt, behind the knees.
Though, this may minimize effects the mones may have on you, you’ll have to realize that you may still get a whiff of them and the fun may commence in you, with additional cookie dough melting away…
Well, its another case of - “less is more” here. Many pheros are like this. A little or just the righ amount is good but too much goes all wrong. and just enough can vary between individuals and the other pheros used in any mix. P74 is generally good in sexual/relationship at around 15-30mcg (although in most “normal” cases I would strive to keep it to 15-20mcg) with many products but gets counterproductive if you go higher - unless you are moderating a hellish dose of androstenone, in which case you can go higher.
Also, you may actually want the effect - I’ve used higher (up to 60-80mcg) in professional mixes with A314 and IH and very rapidly built superb rapport and engagement with some notoriously difficult characters whom I had absolutely no interest in anything romantic. I’ve also then sexualised it with stonking none and got some scary-good fallout from married women and Indian girls!
4x IH - sadly gone. you will have to layer-up the standard product. I’m guarding the last of my stockpile for now - 4x was one of those “greater than the sum of its parts” products that could work superbly all on its own for connection.
You could bolster your IH with some strong betanol - the IH steering should still carry it and indeed betanol on its own is viable in fallout mixes. 37.5 and 50mcg sprays are on sale.
for the P74, I’d suggest you get a concentration in the 10-15mcg range and build-up your total dose with several sprays. Several sprays over a larger area also has advantages for diffusion.
Definitely taking the ‘less is more’ to heart. I know that this is a rather ambitious mix for a newbie, but the stakes are high. I’d rather be unsure what effect the mones produced than wonder what could’ve happened if I’d taken the chance. Thanks for such thorough explanations on the measurements.
Betanol will be added to the shopping spree. I’m trying to conjure lust, happiness and truth serum. Want to get him feeling absolutely out of control good, get him just the right type of…excited and then I want him to spill his guts. And I want to be very calmly sipping sangria, grinning at him in a sundress as he melts into the floor.
A friggin’ carpet bomb of IH P74: 15mcg strength diffused across body for a total punch of 60mcg
Betanol: 37.5mcg
Still looking for ratio pointers on the rest of the tools:
P83
IShine
IS/a
As for the cops, I feel confident after flipping through allllll of the available info on the Ladies’ pages on the joys + hazards of EOW and how to dose.
I already have to work triple-time keeping my top on, not saying too much in his presence and just…not acting like a puppy with it’s belly up when he’s around. Don’t need any external mone factors bustin’ up my playing it cool with him. It takes so much already!
Good to know that I have to keep the mind like a steel trap. It’ll keep the slips to a minimum, hopefully.
Come to think of it, when I look at my reactions to this man…I’m wondering if he’s mone bombed me up to this point! lol.
Appreciate your input and answering my freshman-league questions. Definitely applying it to the mix + usage
If you want to add the “dark fascination” or “witchy” vibe to a mix, consider some P97. I’ve had some interesting results from that paired with a sexual, again in a possibly unisex direction. Would be interesting to see what a woman makes of it.
Put it another way, if im ever in a certain kind of “circle” again, I know what I’ll be wearing!
And I don’t think the self effects of either IH, betanol or P74 will be any great problem for you. So long as you can keep your own counsel well and remain aware of the potential for letting things slip out. Neither are prone to the sort of stark responses you can get from none or cops.
P83 - I’d suggest you go for the higher end of the dose range - 40mcg or over up to about 80mcg (it gets unproductive/veg-out over 100mcg) and similarly, a fair heft of IS, maybe 3-4 sprays initially but you could go a lot higher - again, I used to love my 4x IS when things turned sexy and playful!
passion that will burn your clothes off, with a base of trust and openness. it would be way too easy at this point for either of us to simpy get in the other’s pants. i want him strung out me in a much deeper, spiritual (?) way.
on his breaks. Started as a mutual fling, but I developed serious feelings. We’ve both spoken up that whatever we’ve got here is special.
, I’ve seen this video for getting the results that you want.
