Have to make a note of this. This same article was brought up on another site that Tish is a moderator on. Anyway the studies that show MEO-EST as carcenoginic were for women that ingested the molecule. It was once prescribed for treatment and was found to also damage fetuses in pregnant women that ingested. I’m not saying that that dosage won’t cause damage, I’m sure it does something to you.
I think I asked this question a few months ago though. What are the physiological affects of using pheromones? Someone said that they were just chemical messengers and didn’t affect the body. Well that’s not true. I’m not sure which mone did this, but I have managed to change my wife’s cycle. Not sure if it was IJ or A314. I know that women living or working together also have cycles that match due to pheromone messages. I also believe that TAA affects dopamine levels and have found some research that agrees with my theory.
I had looked into it trying to source from other resources when it wasn’t available through AD for awhile, but the extent of the information that I came across was discussion of it being one of the components of premarin which is used for hormonal treatment therapy. The sources I found spoke nothing of carcinogenic dangers, but this was also well over a year ago when the use of this much Meo-EST was extremely prevalent. The anecdotal evidence became extremely alluring and that’s what stuck that specific number with the use.
It’s unfortunate that I didn’t look further into Diane’s writings on it elsewhere.
At the time this became the arbitrary ‘magic number’ there was no discussion of the usage of it in such high mcg content from what I can remember. I do love myself enough that I wouldn’t knowingly jeopardize my own health like that and any indication would have had me considering much lower mcg content.
Now, you got me thinking, Steve. Maybe, the OD reaction results from others subconsciously thinking that you might have a serious health issue or something. I learned about cancer some time ago. When you have a testicular tumor, esp that involve leydig cells, your body produces EXCESS testosterone. Moreover, production of excess hormones are usually due to a tumor (adenoma) in pituitary or adrenal glands. Maybe, too much mones in your body subconsciously signals to others that you might have a tumor or uncontrollable production of hormones in the body. Therefore, they (esp opposite sex) want to stay away from you, so they won’t have to not pass on your bad genes. What do ya think?
Now, you got me thinking, Steve. Maybe, the OD reaction results from others subconsciously thinking that you might have a serious health issue or something. For instance, when you have a testicular tumor, esp that involve leydig cells, your body produces EXCESS testosterone. Moreover, production of excess hormones are usually due to a tumor (adenoma) in pituitary or adrenal glands. btw, don’t forget that mones are the end products or modified junks of useful hormones. Maybe, too much mones in your body subconsciously signals to others that you might have a tumor or uncontrollable production of hormones in the body. Therefore, they (esp opposite sex) want to stay away from you, so they won’t have to pass on your bad genes. What do ya think?
I actually remember trying to find more info on the molecule before I bought it at 50mcg concentration in a to go. Couldn’t find crap. Glad that this was brought to light now, I only have a tiny bit left and if I re-order I will be getting it at a much lower concentration
And to the guy that says he has researched TAA, how? We don’t even know what exactly that molecule is.
This is what I found when I Googled Meo-Est
Now after reading it ask yourself if spraying this on yourself if it is going to into your system. If you don’t think it is going to do this little test…. Take a clove of garlic and cut it in half, rub it on the sole of one of your feet…. After a minute or two what can you taste in your mouth??? You guessed it “garlic”. This is the same for everything that comes in contact with your skin…. Its called osmotic pressure (things will move to where they are not).
So by the sounds of it Meo-Est could have a cumulative affect in the body. I don’t know how long it takes for it to be removed if it’s “man made” and I couldn’t find an LD50 for it. So more research needs to be done. But exposing your woman to it doesn’t sound like an overly great idea…
Below is a section of a Google search…. And as always, don’t believe everything you read on the web as this appears to be just one persons views. (and their spelling is even worse than mine!!!)
“In humans the only naturally occuring form of Methoxyestratetraenone is in extremely inflammed tissue, such as found in breast Cancerr. Methoxyestratetraenone , when formed in human tissue, is very difficult for the liver to break down and excrete from the body.
There is some concern approximately equillin and equillin derviatives as being potentially carcinogenic to human female reproductive and breast tissue.
In humans Methoxyestratetraenone may have some estrogenic neuro-steroid properties, but since it is not a naturally occuring human pheromone……..” blah blah blah
Thanks Steve, that’s a very wise post. Very very rational voice.
I just got my MEO-EST and tried it with low dosages (10 mcg) solo but hasn’t seen any hits yet, was thinking of upping the dose a bit and I found this post…now I’m a bit hesitant to use it if it is indeed a potential carcinogen.
I’ll definitely not going to knowingly use any product that would adversely affect myself in the long run just to gain some temporary edge. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Do you know why Diane is banned from the forum and why she stopped using it altogether?!
Seriously? When you say that we don’t even know exactly what that molecule is who are you referring to?
Anyone that has used a drug that interacts with dopamine receptors would recognize the similarities. So I did a search referencing TAA and dopamine. Did you think that we were the only ones that are testing this stuff?
TAA stands for test molecule A. We do not know the exact name for this molecule , so I’m not sure what you looked up. Without knowing what TAA is, how could you possibly know what to look for?
Not that I’m arguing for or against it. But if dopamine levels are being affected, what’s the difference between that and a gambling/drinking/etc.. addiction?
From what I understand the brain produces levels of dopamine to get that “rush” that addicts (using this term lightly) love. And that the downside that I can see is that the brain will want to experience that again and it has a long memory of the experiences. Basically, someone could get addicted to TAA/Instant shine, is what I’m trying to ask.
I don’t believe pheromones are dangerous and I don’t believe we have anything to worry about. My entire point here is that it befuddles me how a new member might come on here and blindly just start ordering 50, 100, 150 mcg of a molecule because he “read” that it might get the guy laid. By that very same principle get yourself some Hemlock and wear that on your skin? I guarantee the ladies will be falling all over you .
Holy freaking crap even reading Jasmin’s post about why game scent vanished. Scary crap right there! Think about it? How many guys on here, including me, are willing to forgo whatever health concerns because it smells good? I have every instant line product androtics made in Game scent and still have about three quarters of a bottle full I use for special occasions.
I spend hundreds every week on organic food, don’t eat crap, drink only the very best craft beer, gym membership, organic soaps, drink only distilled water, vitamins and yet I am willing to blindly wear ANY chemical on my skin, not just MEO-EST, because it smells good?
I’m not attempting to poopoo pheromones guys. I am again, for the hundredth time, just saying be responsible and THINK before you do something unknown. There are consequences to your actions. Some good, some not so good. If you have to use anything that you really don’t know about in such a high-concentration than most-likely its best to simply pass on it and find something better. Um P75 has better results any day of the week over MEO-EST and you only need one spray at 2.5 mcg. Hmm THINK about that.
Are you a researcher or a follower? I’ve watched some members follow everything a person says and unequivocally without question believe whatever someone else says. Androtics one day may be looking for someone else to help answer questions. They specifically hired me because not only am I not a kiss-ass, nor a follower, but I like to challenge. I am a consultant hired for my expertise in pheromones and my ability to think for myself. I do not read other peoples reports on any experimones and or putatives until I have tested them myself. So please test out things for yourself and just use your brain and THINK!
I would think it would be better a person starts with a test pack to gauge the effects of the products before going out and buying bottles of it. I’m guilty too, I bought P83 pretty quickly without testing it in lower <10mcg dosages first. But I learned the most with the P70’s pack.
I agree. Purchasing the P70 pack was a great move on my part. It makes it easier to gauge effect when you’re not spraying as much per spray. Made me fall in love with p75
I don’t know why ENONE just turns women off or I don’t get too many hits as when I do socials and A314. But with P75 @ 2.5mcgs WOW, it’s so much better, more attraction.
I’m mid MX353 testing and I haven’t gotten too much out of it yet. I’ve been testing it alone recently at 1-3 sprays and I could get a lot more than if I wore AMMO. I’ve heard it was a higher -none content but really buffered, so we’ll see. I got another venue Fri night that’s the perfect testing ground for it.
yea the first time I tested P75 it was already well into the meat of my Friday night at the bar. I was wearing, I think, A314, ammo, IS?.. I’d have to check again. But I was already wearing a mix I had sprayed 1-2 hours before that. I sprayed on 5 or 10 mcg of P75 (5mcg/spray to go) and BOOM out of nowhere girls just having a blast around me and very obviously attracted. IT was like an explosion of feelings about the mones I was already wearing PLUS more attraction. I have another bottle of it coming and can’t wait to test it more.
I find that I find one putative that I really like, and test it like crazy until I want to try something else, or stumble onto something else.
I’ve actually toned down the effects to 2.5, but I’m getting to the high mcg tests soon. I just wanna get a full grasp of low dosages to do it. I wish I had the same patience as you though. I have so many right now that I need to test more I just haven’t gotten around to it yet
I would say I have TOO many to test right now
But there’s always new stuff coming out that I feel I need to get so I can test them at some point
Yea I was thinking about trying to take some out of my new bottle and mixing it down to 2.5 mcg as I hear P75 works great at low dosages. I just need to get some clean to-go bottles and some pipettes.
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