Mix A314 Oil in Instant Shine bottle??

I am new with A314 and bought the oil. I was wondering if I could dump 1/4 bottle into my Instant Shine blue spray bottle and shake it up and then just spray it. I realized after getting the oil that I prefer the spray.

Anyone try this before? Any thoughts. Thank you very much. Don

Haven’t done this before, but I’d say to keep it separate. They are both different bases (Oil vs Alcohol). I don’t think you’d want to mess the expensive A314 oil up. It will cause contamination.. and may hinder the effectiveness and change diffusion rates. I’d say just apply at different spots. But..if you want to, go ahead. I don’t want to stop you. Just a heads up :slight_smile:

I wouldn’t do that personally…you’d have a hard time knowing how much you were dosing with…that’s a major disadvantage…unless you did the math maybe, which I don’t know. Still the oil lasts so much longer than A314 1.a sprays, it’s worth it to just keep it like it is in my opinion and order yourself a small A314 spray as well…use the spray in the winter and oil in the summer

I’m a bit tired to do the calculations but it would seem to me that a quarter bottle A314 into a togo of IS (or more or less anything) would be a rather cock-eyed dilution ratio!

I also doubt the togo spray could handle the denser fluid effectively and unless you had an agitator, you would need a prolonged period with regular shaking to get the pheros evenly distributed in the fluid.

IMO, You would do better by layering the IS over the oil or applying it to different points eg, A314 on throat/forearms plus IS on sides of neck/forearms/other side of wrists. Applying to different points will also let you reapply IS as needed without disturbing the A314. Remember that IS is effective for a far shorter time that A314 (esp in oil) and would need topped-up/reapplied several times (about every 3?) to keep pace with the A314.

And do persevere with the oil - the impact is certainly different but it does take a little while to find your effective dose and for your behaviour to to catch-up with your new sig.

Keep in mind anytime you spray anything alcohol over the oil based A314, you no longer have the smooth vibe of A314.

I don’t also understand how you determined you would rather have the spray version over the oil unless you already used both. I suspect from your post you haven’t as your reasoning is off completely on what you are suggesting. Here’s my sarcastic idea for the day though. Take the A314 and Ishine and smash both bottles on the sidewalk. Then skip away :slight_smile:. At least you’ll have some fun if you’re going to ruin them :smiley:

Not a good idea, really.

Every post above mine, including Steve’s, because I like messing with Steve, is wrong.

They are being scientific and telling you what is right in theory. But in practice, I’ve mixed stuff into my a314 oil bottle, and I got good results. Do it yourself and see what works for you.

We also want to simply guide him and prevent him from not having regrets. It’s not a matter on whose right and whose wrong. Maybe it works well for you, but if he was unsatisfied with the product after mixing it, that would be bad - It is an expensive product and to let his money go to waste would be distasteful for us - However, in the end he can do whatever he wants with his product. “WE” as in speaking for myself :slight_smile: haha.

No. Long ago there used to be an instant shine related oil, TAA oil. For now you have alcohol, or oil. Not both!

I agree with most of the folks here in not mixing A314 with shine in the same bottle. A better alternative is to use one of the spray versions of the A314 and layer it on with Instant Shine.

ODG

Nope we are not just being scientific, they are telling him from experience with these products and a understanding of how pheromones work and how they are mixed. Countless people have screwed up there products by mixing two mixes together. You use single molecules to make a mix not multiple mixes. If you got a lot of money to burn its fine but pheromones are expensive so I prefer to advise new members with information that helps them understand how mones are mixed to do what they do instead of just blindly chancing it and ruining molecules, some of which are not in abundance and can end up being hard to replace.

A314 is oil based and Ishine is alcohol based, while they will blend eventually they will separate to some degree if you leave the bottle sitting on a shelf long enough but you can always shake it and it will be fine.

However… when you add your A314 to another liquid your diluting it throwing off the ratio and the balance of the pheromones in it. Never mix a mix. The reason AD mixes are so good is because they are perfectly balanced. You may have noticed in there store they have mixes for all sorts of reaction. With some of those mixes the molecules are almost the same its the ratio of those molecules that bring about the different emotions.

I am going to break it down to one pheromone to give you a simple example.

The numbers are just used to explain not to indicate how much anol you need to use.

Suppose you know that to see results with a molecule like anol the average person needs to use between 10 to 20 mcgs so you make a 5 ml bottle of anol with 400mcg of anol in it total so that each spray has 10 mcg and the person can see results with 1 to 2 sprays.

Now suppose you take that same bottle of anol and decide to mix it in a 30 ml bottle of Ishine. Of course you just diluted the 400 mcg of pheromones. Now your only getting 2 mcg per spray which is not enough to see results from the knowledge you already have of the molecule

You would have to use 5 sprays to just reach the 10 mcg mark which could leave you overscented. Now something else to consider… certain other mones are used to buffer and steer other mones to bring about a specific result. Suppose your bottle of Ishine is 15 mcg per spray. When you mix the Ishine with your anol its going to steer both pheromones towards a different vibe.

This is what happens to A314 when you mix it in a bottle with something else. Its not A314 and Ishine in a bottle its a totally different mix which will be easily overbuffered by the higher ratio of TAA into something else. Now that mix may or may not be good but if you bought A314 for the purpose it was intended for thats not what you going to get once you mix it.

Now you can buffer and steer as well by layering but on a smaller more manageable scale without compromising the ratio of pheromones or over buffering it and totally changing the signal its sending.

A314 is also a very complicated mix. It has over 17 pheromone in it and you will be diluting each one to a level where they may not produce results you intended.

Layering is always superior to mixing with these products. If you want to mix then work with higher dosages of single molecules.

Tisha

As a general exception to the rule, I will apply a days dose of my chosen mones in a togo bottle for emptying. By this I mean, If my chosen mix for the day is a single spray each of IG, TuTH and IO with two sprays of Instant Shine, I’ll spray that exact amount of each into an empty to-go bottle, so when my initial dose applied to my skin has diffused off and it’s time for a refresh I have all five sprays in one to-go bottle and I reapply until the bottle is empty. Quanities and ratio’s of everything are exactly the same as if applied to skin.

ONLY USE THE SAME AMOUNTS YOU WOULD IF APPLYING TO THE SKIN AT THAT MOMENT AND EMPTY THE WHOLE BOTTLE! if you mix five products even at one spray each and only apply one spray there is no guarantee that you’ll get exactly one fifth of a dose of each in the spray.
In all likelihood you will but again you can’t be sure. I do this simply for convenience and I never use the same bottle for different mixes. If you empty the bottle you know you’re getting a full dose of each of the products that went in. I regularly spray Jerk, TuTH, Shine and IO in a to-go bottle, usually single sprays of Jerk and TuTH and two sprays each of IO and Shine and then spray on the skin until the bottle is empty. I feel like it gives a more even distribution of coverage for all the molecules. I would not however dump 6 5ml to-go bottles of various products into a 30ml full sized bottle for regular use…to unpredictable

Mixing oil and alcohol however, not such a good idea. They take time to blend, and the alc speeds up A314’s diffusion which will not necessarily make the effect stronger or better, just different and in a possibly negative way. Likewise the oil additive would slow the diffusion of Shine…which may be good since TAA diffuses fast but a few users here have stated that TAA oil wasn’t a very good product so it may not work well.

I use this method as well one in a while and its fine because I am using everything thats in the bottle. Its a good option for men especially because its harder for you guys to carry products around with you. The ladies have our purses so we just stuff everything in there.

Of course you could buy a Man bag LOL… Please dont … there are just some accessories that men shouldn’t use IMO.

Tisha

Well, It’s not a Man Bag, but I Carry a BailOutBag… It Holds Enough to Keep Me and Someone Else Fed and Out of Trouble for 2-3 Days… Amazingly it’s a Small Bag… So a Ton of ToGo’s or afew Bottles is Nothing… Or I just Put it in my Gun Range Bag in the Car, that Thing is a Monster… I guess some Others Might have a Messenger Bag, or Briefcase depending on your Job…

Note: I’m not a Gun Nut, Just a “SheepDog” as Police and Military would put it… I Know enough and I’m Prepared to get My “Flock” outta Here Safely… I even wear a “SheepDog” Patch on my Bag so Cops Know I have Supplies…

It’s not a purse it’s a satchel!