I want to experiment with a314, p79, IH and p83. I wonder if I should save it for close interactions or also use it in open social situations. Adding 20 p74 might be too much. I see now what you said earlier about needing to steer interactions when the primary is a314. I don’t know yet if I would prefer instead a mix that encouraged more initiation on the part of others.
Focus on one or two mones for the SPECIFIC response that you want. Focus that response with your attitude and interactions. DON’T DO More mones. Tends to muddle everything when a) your not used or know the reactions or interactions between of all of the mones you use, 2) when you don’t focus your actions and 3) THINK too much about your mones.
You won’t know what to prefer until you take the mones out one or two at a time. Below I put together some questions for YOU to answer when you are experimenting with mones. If it’s too much to think about, that’s fine, then, set (apply) a couple and forget it. Just do it. Then, revisit your interactions of the day and figure out what was you, the other person and what influence the mones had in those interactions.
- What do you want your mones to project?
- In what social environment will you be using them?
- What attitude can/do you want to project?
- Do you want/need self effects from some mone? Do you know what self effects they have on you?
- Will it be outside or inside and what will be the distance between you and your target audience?
- What has been my past experience with this particular mone? How does it compare with the current interactions?
The way mobo presents his interactions, I see that he enjoys himself and just being around other people. Mones are there to spice things up. He would still enjoy himself without the application of mones.
I suggest you do the same! 
Yes - A314 and P79 on its own is very severe high-status. Waaaay too upstanding for a reprobate like me! 
The P74 and TAA would soften it somewhat certainlly but I’ve still had pretty polarised results with P79 in all but very social mixes.
The best I’ve had with P79 was using it alongside MX297 - 5-12.5mcg. One hell of a party mix!
P79 alongside MX297 and TUTH was also pretty good - again, I reckon the social vibe of the 297 took the edge off the negative none response.
Alphanol, P79 (5-10mcg) and TUTH was not so good an experience - Despite very promising starts. One occasion saw me left me with a split head and the other. Don’t even ask how I got into that one - I’d rather draw a veil over that night now.
P79 (2.5mcg-10mcg) on its own didn’t seem to do much either way.
This - in spades!
Don’t overdo the number of mones or you will get quite lost and send a confusing or overcomplex signal - I’ve done this in the past and have done much better since I pulled back to far fewer components.
Get the hang of each primary phero first, then introduce the steering/enhancing pheros one at a time and gradualy till you find what works.
Exactly - go for a good time that is not result-dependant and you will get much more and learn more. The pheros will then support your impression more effectively.
And I will get more proactive again once I get my movement back - That foot trouble is still dragging-on and the latest is that I may not go-up for surgery until the end of the year! 
Good deal. If I am at an outside event (one coming uo shortly), it is not clear to me how to adjust my mix. Are there more effective mones for this? Distance would vary from 1foot to 6feet.
As a314 has so many components, I thought I would devise mixes with up to 8 parts to maximize their effectiveness. But I understand that your advice comes from experience. It sounds like I should simply make a definite choice about what I want to project and then plan for 2 to 4 .
I also suppose that seeing many examples of mixes with many components has motivated me to try to project social/status/sexual all at once.
Good deal. If I am at an outside event (one coming uo shortly), it is not clear to me how to adjust my mix. Are there more effective mones for this? Distance would vary from 1foot to 6feet.
Larger mixes are quite possible when you are using all single molecules and undersand every component but if you are using more than one product from the Instant Line and especially A314, you will be racking-up the molecules pretty fast anyway and although the main components are known, the steering molecules are not, so you are introducing random elements into each mix or maybe doubling-up on components that are better kept low in the mix.
No Instant has less than three pheros and A314 has seven, with only three components known so you are soon working with six+ or even ten+ pheros before you add any more of your own. This gets complex very fast.
You can project social/sexual/status but above the basic/primary component, it is maybe better to use a broader brush for each facet. Especially where you are meeting new people - A more basic, direct and uncluttered mix does seem to work better there. More complex/nuanced mixes do seem to be more suitable around people you know much better, where you can try to tailor them more cosely to their personality but again time spent getting to know each possible component phero individually in less complex mixes just now will pay dividends later when you can wield them much more effectively.
Pushing the dose up would be the only thing here - Pheros are far less effective in an outdoor seting and the range goes right down. Alcohol base all the way here.
Also think on keeping your main subject/s close but downwind of you and on using the most basic/strongest reacting pheros in the mix to maximise any effect. Again, this is not a situation for nuances.
Try make use of any enclosed spaces at events - Chill out tents, coffee tents, shelters etc that help improve your diffusion. A nice steamy dance tent is brilliant at any time!
If you are going to and fro by car with them, do remember that phero impact is greatly enhanced in a car, so don’t load-up on the pheros before you go or you might OD - use a lower dose here and increase once you get there.
1 spray Edge Sandalwood to throat.
3 sprays Alpha Androstenol (not AD’s product) so I estimate about 18-20mcg around neck.
She’s about ten feet away, old, hideous and making eyes at me big-time. Gawd!
Mind you, the redhead (late 20s) at the table opposite (about five feet away) is getting very languid, stretching back in her chair, fiddling with clothing and doing things with her hair, whilst occasionally looking over at me furtively but she has a guy with her. Harumph! 
A question about MX297 and TUTH, I mainly use MX297 at night at bars and clubs. But when I use TUTH with MX297 it seems to really hit on women over 30’s. I haven’t seen positive reactions from women around my age, I never had success with TUTH anyway 
. It might be too aggressive for my age. With AMMO I find it’s sexy vibe clashes with MX297. Should I just use plain Androstenone to attract women my age, or should I introduce some TAC with the TUTH to moderate the Androstenone. I’m using P75 as well, but it’s not enough, it needs something else to disturb the MX297 vibe. What’s your experience with women around my age? Cheers.
Yes - I’m not convinced the rone in Ammo sits well with 297. It does work but is far less effective than TUTH, None or P75.
In the end, I found plain none was best of all alongside 297 and at your age, you could build it up from 2.5mcg pretty easily.
I wouldn’t use anything else - 297 is a pretty good moderator as it is. What I found best was to wear the MX297 on its own for a while, to make full use of its socially engaging properties till closeness and comfort were established and escalation had begun. Then I would introduce the none. More often than not, the sexual impact was remarkable and the party rapidly continued elsewhere.
You do need to work MX297 hard though - get out there and sing, dance and be the life and soul - Then its properties reward you fully. Do not put it on and then be a wallflower.
I wouldn’t use P75 alongside MX297/none again personally. However MX297/P75 has proved very effective with people normally less tolerant of none for me - Particularly younger and Asian women.
Thanks for your reply, I usually wear AMMO to a bar or club, on some days I switch to a P75/MX297 combination. I love the social attraction MX297 provides, makes me a lot more talkative as well, good conversations, people stick around, works truly great opening people up at the bar, however when I go to the dance floor, girls are less likely to become physical with me. They dance with me, in a friendly way, but it’s a lot harder getting them to kiss me, they usually turn their heads or dodge the kiss. I have yet to try P79/P83 with it. Might make things more physical.
On days I wear AMMO it’s the other way around, it’s a bit harder to open people up at the bar, even with a good amount of socials. But when I head on to the dance floor, the physical attraction is amazing, I don’t have to speak, I just grab somebody and dance, and the girls become very touchy and physical, and also are very receptive to making out.
So I wish I had the best of both worlds LOL, that would be a truly great pick up tool, and make things a lot easier. I don’t have plain Androstenone right now, but I will try it on my next order. Cheers.
Just for research purposes I wore 4 sprays of A314 (A spray) alongside of MX297 this weekend. I was actually quite surprised by the results. I’ll start a thread, but as this is Monday and the phones hasn’t stopped ringing yet , more than likely it will be either after hours or tomorrow before I post about the results.
I didn’t get the chance to write-up Friday night. So -
I met a Thai lady in her early 40s for dinner - Nothing too formal, although we both turned-up dressed rather smart.
On leaving work, I had washed my A314 throughly and put-on two sprays MX390 and 7.5mcg P75 - She had previously shown a reasonable response to this sig and we went to eat.
Well, the innuendo flowed from the word go - “Order what you want and I’ll surprise you - I can fit ANYTHING in my mouth!”
And so it continued - laughs, flirting and a most social meal. Which was a pleasant change as the last few times I’ve seen her I’ve been waring A314 and she’s been a bit downbeat. So it looks like she doesn’t respond to it well.
Anyway, we moved-off somewhere else for a cup of coffee and I had hope that we would maybe head for a club or somewhere but that was not to be. Shortly after sitting down, I heard my name called and a friend, her partner and his sister descended on us. Time to make the best of it and we just got stuck into a good chat about all sorts of things.
Eventually the Thai lady made her excuses and left - although she has been in touch since to see about meeting-up again soon, so I suppose thats promising.
However, after she left, I got into more conversation with my pal’s sister in law and my pal was chipping-in a lot. By the end of the night, I had the decided feeling that she was trying to fix the pair of us up - Which might actually be an idea as she is rather nice and a classy lady!
That’s helpful to know that some women won’t react as well to a314 while others will. Maybe there’s a rough pattern of higher class, a bit older (30’s), and white or hispanic reacting better. But it’s almost certainly more complex and less predictable as the phero’s are impacting unconsciously, and a woman’s unconscious has been shaped by countless idiosyncratic experiences. (Don’t mean to sound too scholarly - just the thoughts that occur to me). I guess also depends on her cycle and her recent emotional states and chain of experiences.
Practically, I am finding that I must use comfort/social cushions for it to work. I tried a314 with p74 (30 mcg) and IH (2) yesterday and it made for special one on one interactions. With the intensity of it, I was a bit tired today and used 10 p100 to get some work done.
Yes, I do find that women who respond well to MZ297 and its derivatives do tend not to respond so well to A314 and vice versa. I’ve only found a few exceptions and they tend to be highly situational.
I guess it might a status vs sociability thing?
Still waiting for Steve’s story - Although my first impression is that the disparity in doses might have made the MX297 into more of a social steering component?
Now, today was quietish at work so I decided to go with some pretty overt none for a change. It got results but this might explain why its not a good idea?
I applied one drop of Alpha 7 split each side of my neck behind the ears, alongside my two drops A314 which had been applied to my temples and wrists about five hours earlier and went over for a coffee. The place was also quiet so it was a chance for a bit of banter with the two women who run that counter - The younger one is late 20s and the older late 30s/early 40s.
The younger one caught sight of me first and took my order - Then started chatting and asked me about the day I was having. This was quite a bit more social than usual and she was only about a meter away.
Then I moved down the counter to pay the older one who promptly engaged me on how the place can be prone to sticking people int jobs and situations they are quite unprepared for and what I thought about it/what could be done to stop it.
As this was going on I caught sight of the younger one standing there staring at me, smiling!
So I got my coffee and went to get some sugar - opening the takeaway cup, I found that she had made me entirely the wrong coffee, mind elsewhere?
So I asked the older one for some more milk but she insisted on making me a fresh cup from scratch. So whilst I was waiting, the younger one was attending to another customer and came up beside me smiling broadly with full eye-contact to use the milkshake machine. She loaded it up pressed the button and we all discovered she had forgotten to secure the lid properly.
Did I mention I was wearing my best Crombie jacket? :o
Anyway, an arc of high-speed brown milkshake shot right over the counter splattering the lot of us and a random rather attractive readhead who was also just standing there.
Not a lot to do is there? - you could either crack-up or join-in the fun, so I just laughed and asked her if she thought a milkshake wrestling display was quite suitable for lunchtime! Boy, did the poor girl go red.
Meanwhile the readhead just stood there watching us all, splattered and totally bemused.
So we all got cleaned-up and the younger one spent a good while getting the stuff off my jacket and my head - There are advantages in having a wipe-clean head and this was one. Lots of firm rubbing involved.
The older one was very very apologetic and offered to get her boss to see about paying for dry cleaning - I declined this with a laugh - I’ve had that jacket for years and can easy clean it myself!
The readhead was still standing there - still bemused, so I grabbed a handful of napkins and offered to help get the shake out of her hair. She gladly accepted and I spent the next few minutes running my fingers through her locks whilst the young one leaned over the counter and got to work on my shoulders.
Meanwhile, the older one was serving several colleagues who were slightly surprised to see what was going-on.
I think it might be a little while before I wear this mix again - Or should I go back tomorrow?
Holy flying milkshakes! I’d go back tomorrow just to see if it repeats. For science
Yes, for science