Music and pheromone use

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I was recently listening to songs on my ipod and remembered how everytime I find a song I like, I listen to it repeatedly and after a few number of plays I loose interest in it and forget why I was so crazy about it in the first place. Then I got this email

"Have you been in a relationship that started out with amazing passion? You got butterflies every time you saw the person and wanted to be with them every moment of every day. The connection was electric. But after a few month things started to fizzle. You began to get bored and restless. The fire has faded to a spark.

Or have you ever moved to a new and breathtakingly beautiful place? The first few months you lived there you were awed each day by the scenery. Just going out to get the mail was an opportunity to gaze with wonder into the distance. But as the years go by those once breathtaking surroundings become just the ordinary background of your day to day life.

Remember the last time you bought a CD that you were completely blown away by? You listened to the songs over and over again; they stirred something inside you. But after a few months you could listen without really even noticing it was on. And eventually you got a bit tired of it and put a new CD in rotation.

What is the common thread in all of these situations? They all show the way in which our brains quickly become accustomed to stimulation. While at first our senses are acutely tuned in to the input they are receiving, they fast become acclimated to the stimuli. The stimuli lose the ability to wow us and give us pleasure. We become numb to it. At this point most people reach for something new to experience those fresh feelings anew."

Even with pheromone use I notice a similar feeling in myself and people around me. Others have reported this often as well. With repeated use of the same mix I find that the targets get accustomed and stop reacting unless I take a break. But, unless the break is very long the reaction is still subdued on subsequent exposures and not like the first time.

Rotating the mixes is an interesting solution but one problem I find with this approach is that I rarely find the same person reacting equally enthusiastically to all mixes. For example there are some people who react extremely well to MX203 but show no reaction whatsoever to MX101, while others show responses to MX101 but are non responsive to MX203. So if you rotate the mixes you lose responses from some people but gain responses from others.

Now even if you had a SET of mixes for each group of people you still run into the same problem. I find this very similar to the following example with songs. I will sometimes download three songs which I really like and then play them in rotation. I find that although it takes a little longer for me to loose interest in them I still get bored with all three of them after a while and stop appreciating them.

Can we ever truly solve the problem of our target’s brains getting accustomed to our pheromone signature? Is there any stimuli to which brain reacts in the same way no matter how many times it has been exposed to it?

I am thinking we should look into stimuli like hunger and sleep. The brain responds pretty strongly no matter how many times it has been exposed to these. So it would seem that the stimuli tied to survival are the ones that remain fresh. I am not sure if fear is one of those stimuli, since some people can get pretty blase about a fearful situtation if they have been exposed to it multiple times. Although fear from a different source can still provide a fresh reaction.

Can these be somehow triggered by pheromones? If we keep those pheromones as part of a complex mix would we be able to elicit fresh pheromone reactions on every use? Since every human reacts to survival stimuli would we see everyone reacting to every mix containing these pheromones?
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Can People near one get used to ones new signature without being affected?
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do we need to distinguish between psycho-physiological shifts and the outward, observable manifestations of such shifts?

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nbully, I think that’s a little hard to determine. First, as PQ has mentioned, we need to determine what is considered a shift in mix effectiveness. Second, each person, as you said, has different reactions and tolerances for each mix. We would also want to know how long we need to wait before reintroducing a mix for maximum impact.

Personally, I find it easier to just spray as I feel throughout the day, but then again I’m not using crazy ass 5-9 ingredient combos either.

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I tried to draw a parallel with how we experience music (and my own experience with my favorite songs) because I feel we might respond to pheromones in a similar way, since both appeal to the limbic system afterall.

I think that the diminished manifestation on subsequent exposure cannot be chalked upto subsequent censorship of behavior by the responder as sometimes another uniquely effective mix still manages to get a similar rise out of them leading to similar inappropriate behavior… which leads me to think that the diminished response might actually be a result of diminished psycho-physiological response rather than just censorship.

Is there another model which predicts the diminished response with repeated exposure to identical mixes?

I am just finding it very hard to explain the reduced responses with the censorship model…

Also, is it possible to avoid that using some unique pheromones or usage methods?

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Phya, that’s true, it is hard to determine, but I think to fully explore the potential of pheromones it will help to understand the reason for these common occurences better. Music seems to provide an analogy which I can understand and seems to explain target habituation well.

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That does kinda work. Pheromone signature = a song. But you as a person = a roller coaster ride.

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You gotta get into better–deeper–music. But, yep, most popular music wears thin real fast. Deeper stuff–jazz, classical, etc.–tends to stay meaningful longer simply because it has more expressive constitution, structure and sheer length (1 hour symphony vs 3 minute top 40 track). And, yes, the same can be said of pheromones users. That kickin’ phero buzz loses the thrill fast if you don’t back it up with substance: personality, intelligence and meaningful interaction and emotional engagement. And, damn, you gotta work at that shit and carefully aim it at targets with the depth to receive your deep rumblings. Hell, if you’re that good, you don’t need no stinkin’ mones…

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Your limbic system is interconnect with your brain’s pleasure center, and just like everything else in life (certain foods, a nice suit, breast implants), anything in excess will no doubt create a tolerance to these things on a given person. But also just like everything else in life, they’re only added appeals to a whole complex system, which in this case is a human being. The ultimate theme park that we are naturally drawn to, and pheromones serve as nothing more than a fancy roller coaster.

Its interesting to hope we can somehow tie in pheromones to human survival stimuli, but it just isn’t meant to happen. We feel hunger as an unpleasant feeling originated from our hypothalamus, and we suppress the sensation by a cheeseburger. Which (the cheeseburger) dingdingding hits our brain’s pleasure center.

Fact of the matter is, the hypothalamus regulates things like hunger, thirst, sleep/wake cycle, blood pressure, and sexual arousal.

So in other words: sexually arousing your target by a pimp suit, your muscles, Ammunition, or other pheromones is EQUIVALENT to your target satisfying their hunger by eating ice cream or a slice of pizza.

So in other words #2: anything associated with reward or pleasure (Nucleus Accumbens) you can grow tired of in excess. And are only ways of feeding your hypothalamus basic needs (the unpleasant feelings your body will never grow a tolerance for).

So in other words #3: Mix up your phero signature :stuck_out_tongue:

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Good thread by the way. Reps when I can.

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Interesting thought provoking metaphor. I don’t believe it entirely functioning exactly as described but a different way of thinking about it.

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I also want to add, that even though nothing is the same as the first time, even the 200,000th time you see a bucket of Cold Stone ice cream your mouth will still water :stuck_out_tongue:.

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Thanks for bringing up this point. I didn’t want to get into that in my first post, but I susepct as much. I have noticed that the more intricate deep music takes me longer to warm up to them but stay with me for far longer. Ofcourse the appeal of those also wear off if listened to repeatedly but given a short amount of break the appreciation may be renewed…

I have found that on repeated listening we sometimes discover new nuances of the same music piece which might increase our appreciation for it (and the creator) but I am not sure if our feeling at that time matches the intensity of the first time we started to like it. Eventually I do start craving for something else.

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Hey tmoz, interesting point. So what would you say about pheromones, is its perception more akin to craving for music or food?

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Given what you said in <bolded statement 1>, do you think the <bolded statement 2> still holds true/works? Please explain.

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Nbully, this is surely thought provoking. Familiarity breeds contempt, but it also breeds comfort. I have been listening to “Abby Road” for thirty years. Of course I don’t listen to it all the time. Mainly I dig it out when I’m really happy or really blue. It was one of the first albums I got when I was just getting my drivers license and discovering rock n roll. It was years after the Beatles had broken up and I was the only person in my group of friends who listened to them. I’ll bet that today when some of those guys hear “Octopus’ Garden” on the radio they think back to riding around with me just like I think of them when I hear something they listened to a lot.

Theoretically, to tranfer this to pheromone use, one should have a great signature that is ones base. Especially important would be to project it when meeting people. Imprint them with it, familiarize them with it and then take it away. Give it back to them only often enough to bring back the feeling they had when they first encountered it. Ideally these should be times on the extremes of everyday life, the same times that one digs out that favorite album: times of stress, times of relaxation, times of celebration.

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Good point Renny! But that would mean very careful planning and we can’t really plan for extremes of life especially when we are tailoring our usage to other people. I know music has that quality of transporting you back in time and to another place. Just like scents and pheromones. The problem is that using the same scent or music often (lets say once everyday) makes the brain quickly filter it out and we are no longer transported to that special place in our thoughts everytime we do that.

But food works differently, everytime we eat after a period of being very hungry the satisfaction is intense (we can even recreate this feeling multiple times a day).

Is it possible for some pheromones to act like food rather than music on the brain so that its appreciation can be renewed everytime without fail and with the same intensity as the first exposure?

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It depends in what context you look at it. I say it doesn’t tie into human survival stimuli, because sleeping, urinating, etc will always have the same appeal and fulfillment every time you feel the need to fulfill those duties. They are basic parts of human survival. This part of your brain works completely different than your pleasure center.

So you mix up your phero signature for the same reasons you don’t eat pizza every day, or change your look every once in a while for your spouse.

Because again, the same food, the same music, the same pheromone signature, the same joke, the same woman (its human nature :o), all in excess grow tiresome to those exposed, and we grow tolerances for them.

Ultimately, what it comes down to is EXACTLY what renny (good post btw) and gegogi have scratched at. You make the most of it by attaching emotion and depth into your targets so they have something imprinted in them that will only lead to fond memories of you. ..I guess in the same way that we still remember our first crush, our first car, and everything else. But then again, whenever your target’s exposed to the same phero signature after a few months break, it’s still never like the first time.

I think I’m just rambling on at this point. :o

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Yes, planning is next to impossible that’s why I said in theory.

Food is too general, you listen to music all the time just not the same music. Steak and potatoes are great but they get old pretty quick. I bet you shuffle your diet as much as you shuffle your ipod.

I think Tmoz has hit the nail.

Remember too, what you see is the target expressing a response to your pheros, not the response itself.

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Just thought of an example like that. I have an Aunt who is not the world’s most imaginative cook. I love her and enjoy visiting, just that she cooks out of a sixties sitcom. About 10 visits ago (this is about twice a year) she served a new salad dressing made of raspberrys and feta cheese. Now this was bold and quite good and I bragged on it. Of course everytime since she has served it and it’s just as bold and good as the first time and I enjoy it just as much. Last time I was there she asked if I still enjoyed it. Of course I did but my outward reaction to it had waned to the point that she had to ask if I enjoyed it. My inner delight with it has not changed but she couldn’t tell if I still liked it.

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Renny, I didn’t understand. Do you feel that only the outward response changes with repeated pheromone use and that there is no attenuation in the psycho-physiological (internal) response?

The reason I brought up this topic for discussion is that I felt its not just the outward response that decreases but also the internal response. (I am not hiding my enjoyment to the same music I am just not feeling it as much anymore)