I don’t think so, I’ve worn it around my guy friends before didn’t really get that sort of effect.
Ok, I have a confession to make.
I didn’t use pure mx297 tonight. I went 4 sprays mx297 (instead of 6) and 2 sprays p78 at 10mcg each (I had some kind of interest involved in tonight and didn’t dare proceed completely with the experiment)
mx297 application was front of neck, back of neck, chest, stomach
p78 applications were on the sides of my neck
As always the p78 made me self-conscious. Has anyone else felt this self effect? It really makes me feel more awkward. There wasn’t any fun effects at all tonight.
My target seemed distant and kind of aloof, she was reluctant to socialise and even trying to engage her in conversation seemed. I remember that there was a user who reported going to lunch with his girlfriend’s parents and wearing mx297 with p78 and was having great hits all the time. I was hoping to achieve this tonight.
I did however manage to get respect. Although most of my time was spent in a corner with my target, I did try to talk and make conversation with the people around at the barbecue. I won’t go into details but yes, I managed to get hits of respectful conversation towards me, and an invitation by one of the guys (an acquantaince of 3 years that never really bothered to socialise with me) to hit the clubs together next week. I don’t know how to recognise what really means high status so I guess the respect must be it.
I guess what I might have been looking for was a “nobility” effect, where ladies would curtsy as I go within their radius and gentlement would lift their hats and bow. Alright, just kidding. On with the report we go 
After 2 hours of nothing with her I then sprayed 3 sprays of ISx2 (front and sides of neck) and 2 sprays of IHx4 on myself (both wrists).
She was now less aloof but still a little withdrawn (I was tempted to try IH + IO to test the CTTM2 theory but then I decided with so many mones on me already I’d just give it a break). Her good friend came arrived late to join us and there after things did get a little better.
I was however a little moody and withdrawn throughout the night too, probably fatigue from a long week and being overly awkwardly self-conscious.
Somehow though I did manage to get away without any drop in signs of respect from my target and her friend. They seemed to understand when I apologised for my seemingly lack of positive emotion as well as a modicum of wimpy/whiny behaviour. Hmmm… Less need for congruence with this product (although my results would already have been altered with the addition of p78. I’m sorry about that)?
Yeah this is what I experienced for tonight. I’m still a little pissed with myself
Johnny I’m pretty sure you’re already aware of this. But girls are like mirrors when it comes to energy a lot of the times. They just reflect what you bring in front of them. You can wear IS but if you’re walking around moping you’re just doing yourself and the money you spent a disservice.
I see people write reports and say, I spray 10 sprays of IO, stood in a dark alleyway adjacent to an abandoned parking lot and got no hits!
Of course I’m exaggerating but I do see things along the lines of “I just stood there and no one said anything to me.”
Ross Jeffries, someone I follow and love his whole Speed Seduction concepts has a simple rule. To get a girl into state, you must first be into state and this of course applies here.
My point? Don’t toss out the mix just yet. Try it again a couple of times when you’re in a better mood, less tired and maybe in a different venue.
Either way man, I do enjoy reading your posts. YOu always bring in some great insight and questions that really open up the dialogue on these products.
I agree, don’t give up on a mix if you only tested it once. Plus individuals acts differently, give it a few tries in a couple venues and see what happens. P78 is still a mystery to me lol
I have noticed that on the couple occasions I used 6 sprays Mx297 it turned almost IS-esque…
On an unrelated sidenote as it pertains to MX297 I am finding it hard to decipher what a co-worker of mine is thinking when I wear this. EVERYTIME he looks at me, cocks his head slightly, and usually doesn’t say a word to me the first 1/4 of the shift. The other day he did this and actually shook his head at me and continued on his way not saying a word. It’s like a how could you do this to me look. I’m wondering if my continuous use of A314 at work and then Mx297 sort of confuses him!?!?!?!?!
mx297 isn’t that bad actually, I’m probably going to buy another bottle to continue my testing of it by itself. It makes people more receptive to me, of my ideas, what I’m saying. They don’t question what I say. Some of the most critically minded (those people who like to validate facts not because they don’t trust you but because they’re more logically and rationally minded) friends of mine when around me on mx297 seem to accept what I say without probing. I still get probing with A314 and IG on but with mx297 I get lesser or almost no probing, but I need more try outs to ascertain this effect.
Totally agree with this. p83 which I shelved for a while due to not seeing any drastically good effects and some bottle issues… Well saved my ass one night.
I’ve nailed down that my awkward or emotional escapades almost always involve p78 at one point or another (too many to consider coincidental)and therefore I’ve relegated it to my shelf for a while (a little sad though because its also given me some of the more obvious hits) and brought back out my p83 (turned out to be a good idea. I’m starting to think p83 works well for me with people on small amounts of alcohol, not high on it)
I’ll wait for more conclusive hits from mx297 and report here.
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mx297 isn’t that bad actually, I’m probably going to buy another bottle to continue my testing of it by itself. It makes people more receptive to me, of my ideas, what I’m saying. They don’t question what I say. Some of the most critically minded (those people who like to validate facts not because they don’t trust you but because they’re more logically and rationally minded) friends of mine when around me on mx297 seem to accept what I say without probing. I still get probing with A314 and IG on but with mx297 I get lesser or almost no probing, but I need more try outs to ascertain this effect.
My thoughts on how to describe the difference between A314 and MX297 !
A314 ----> Man i´ve got bigger balls than you !!!
MX297 ----> Man just do a search if cou can find your balls anymore !!
Where´s A314 projects a ideal male which is powerful and healty and is really intimidating sometimes – MX297 does a different job .. it castrates the exposed males … be careful not to suffer from self effects !
Against the effects of A314 you can fight even it it´s not easy .. against the effects of MX297 there is no fight because it creates effects like what kryptonite does to Superman !!
Pago
I roflmaoed at this.
Btw dude, I sent you a pm on p86 and p102 a while back, you seen it yet?
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Hmmm.. I’ve been reading this thread POLL: Do you want MX297 to be released in 30mL version?
Interesting though, it seems that some users report that other alpha’s seem to talk down to them
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Yes, but as has been discussed before by Steve and Tisha, two veterans here and phero experts, there seems to be a trend towards confirmation bias. There were a lot of reports initially about people saying how it was a great product, got them all kinds of sexual hits etc. Then a few started saying it needed something to make it more sexual and then everyone started chiming in about the same thing.
I may have even responded in that thread too. But since then I really do try to stay out of most threads regarding products I have not used yet so I don’t get my head skewed.
I love 297 and 390. I think in times where it didn’t come across strong sexually, its because I personally didn’t press my edges with it. In regards to being out alpha’d. I don’t recall ever experiencing that. But then in most cases my 297 mix is with IG and that makes me a silver tongued devil, no ones gonna out schmooze me with that combo on.
I just tried one spray of MX297 so far. I liked the akuto smell and I felt a bit of an I don’t care mood (jerk?).. Was walking in a street and two women looked at me giving me somewhat odd glances..
Later went to a public place and sat down (after talking to a very helpful female employee, she went out of her way for me). A couple sat down close to me and started arguing over something he didn’t tell her.. she accused him of being a liar and he didn’t think of her. Some minutes later they started kissing like rabbits 
Think my phero cloud got stolen!
Hopefully will test again..
Didnt know that Rabbits kiss 
Well they should have taken a room lol…
Alright, here goes.
Yesterday a friend (she) brought me out on a visit to a religious gathering for the second time. I decided to wear 4 sprays of mx297 solo. Things were better this time, I’m not sure if I was affected by other mones that were paired up with my mx297
1 chest
1 front of neck
1 on right side of neck
1 on left side of neck
Mustang, I really really wanted to go 6 sprays but I felt kind of heartached to go that route, and also I wouldn’t know what to expect especially at a religious gathering, so with just over half the togo bottle left I decided to go with 4 first.
I felt chill, relaxed. I felt like I could make decisions and decide what I wanted to do. This was different from A314 and IG. With A314 I felt go gettish, that I could also make decisions, that I was in control but at the same time it made me eloquent and witty. With IG I felt similar to A314 but without the go gettish and less intenseness on everything else. mx297 however was different.
I didn’t feel more witty, neither did I feel more eloquent, however what I did experience was a dip in the discomfort of engaging people/new people in conversation. With A314 I could confidently approach whoever I wanted, but with mx297 I just wanted to have a nice calm prolonged conversation. Nothing like IO And nothing like IH.
I didn’t feel a fear of saying the wrong thing, I’m prone to speaking faster than I think but I could shurg off any gaffes without being over concerned or self conscious about it (perhaps without the p78 this is really different).
This time round I didn’t really get the respect feel although 1 guy I met assumed I was in upper management in my company (I’m not) and after the meeting 1 particularly young chap (19-21 perhaps) kept beside me talking to me about his experiences with school
Hits
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I wasn’t the only one she brought yesterday, she had one other guy and girl along. One of the guys I was acquainted with. We chatted, I made a couple of mistakes about remembering his age and job but brushed it aside to continue. It felt relaxed and kind of chill, I would say even laid back. In the few times I’ve met him, I’ve never been able to keep a prolonged conversation with him going. This was good
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Held conversation with a couple of cute girls. No approach anxiety, no concern or thoughts in my head on “how I might look” or if “I’ll say the right thing, whether I’m boring them” or if “is my body language good…” etc. Might also have helped that I wasn’t looking to do anything or pick girls up, but still, it was good to just be so relaxed.
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It seems its tradition for everyone to head out for food after the gathering. I went along and there was this young dude, who walked up beside me, introduced himself and started talking to me about himself. All the way till our food location, an open aired food court of sorts. And when the rest went to get their food (from where I come from, someone has to stay at the seats when others go and get food or your seats get taken by other people), he stayed with me, and when I went to get my food, he followed me around.
Only other time I had such a thing going on for me when a someone followed me around like that and in almost “I want to be your buddy” fashion was when I had IG and a good dose of IS + IH and a dash of p83 on a long while back (because I wanted to get the girls)
since however no one is reporting any “sex” hits from mx297, I guess p83 might not be one of the ingredients then, probably stuff from IG, IS and IH, probably also a putative that gives “respect or high value” hits.
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Chatted with a PR consultant over food and strangely (I look a little older than my age but…) he assumed I was in middle-upper management with my company. Hmm.. This hit is gold
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Went off after that to meet a friend to pass her some cds. I’ve only ever worne ammo and IG when I’m around her and she did display IOIs previously, however this time less IOIs but she did ask me to “ask her out this week”
I’m not sure if mx297 cannot be sexual, but I’m sure it does catch the attention of other people.
I’m definitely getting one more bottle of this on my next buy.
final notes: mx297 gives attention but isn’t all that attention grabbing for me although I’ve read that it does get people to turn heads. Its more smooth for me, not smooth talking, but smooth.
I’m not worried, not anxious, neither am I over concerned about anything, its like its a good base just waiting for me to add better things on top.
I wonder if I can add something extra to get that “wittiness and confidence to be humourous” that A314 and IG gives me.
Unlike IO and IH that have a general effect on people around you, mx297 can be subtle and at the same time not too subtle (would a “little loud” be the words I’m looking for) depending on the individual, although I would need more experiences in order to confirm this.
Very interesting. I will be looking to investigate mx297 even more.
I am thinking Mx297 is sort of an AMMO type product just with different P’s in it that give you more than just the “hey I’m here” type notice-ability. It adds a bit of attitude and MORE comfort/ lightheartedness. Could it be that this stuff relaxes to a degree Alpha qualities in other males yet can also do the same to you and thats why my co-worker(lots of ALPHA from this guy) doesn’t know how to take me while wearing Mx297 instead of A314 where we can sort of get into “pissing matches” (all in good fun from my side at least)
Don’t you think these kind of results .. like no social anxiety, a smooth comfortable confidence would be very helpful especially for people who are less smooth takers..compared to the pros..
remember to add some Instant Shine on neck and wrists and None (tuth on navel or ammo elsewhere) on the date, I am sure she’d be asking for another date after that
a bit of none with MX 297 goes a long way or so I feel
I too think that way… but as long as the chicks keep comming and nobody is pissing on my legs the party is on…
mx297 is…
The bomb.
Apart from IH and IO, I would say that this is the next product that would make ANYONE believe that pheromones work
By itself, this baby works wonders. By itself or with ammo, mx297 is… Awesome. Its my new favourite for self effects right after A314
A314 > mx297 > IG
I tested it again thrice this week and I am very very impressed. Short of getting me laid, this product has positively influenced everyone that has come across my path while I was on it.
Aghor, I totally agree with you. For attraction, there’s nothing a little layer of ammunition can’t fix, I’m still waiting to go out with the girl I tested it around with again. She seemed normal and calm when we were out on our date (the thing about using mones is that we’re all hoping to see signs of the girls clinging to us, or jumping us or seemingly uncomfortably attracted to us, but I realised things can be much more subtle) she did give me a flood and deluge of messages after we went home right before bed time.
At a drinking and poker session at my buddy’s place, mx297 worked like a charm, in conversation, even in how others played their cards and also the girls present.
I’m not just getting one bottle on my next buy, I’m going to get two. Heck, I might even get three.
A great hit, all round use product that works around guys and girls, this is one heck of a friggin good product. If you’re someone reading this and thinking of getting it but hesitating or mulling over it, don’t hesitate anymore. Just get it and try it.
I’m surprised mx297 hasn’t made it to the instant line already.
I"ve been using TUTH along with my MX390 (F22 version of 297) and I really like the vibe I’m getting with it and country girl. I’m up to 2s 390 + 2s TUTH. I’m picking her up at noon, hopefully for a nooner…literally LOL and gonna bump it up to 3 sprays of TUTH.
What I noticed about this mix is that it puts her in a very playful mood. Not a hot and bothered one. She’s definitely turned on, but fun and flirty, and in a weird way comfortable. I would have expected a bit different because in the past things like TUTH or NPA have caused her to fidget etc. I’m thinking the 390 takes the edge off so it becomes sexy and sexual, without the extremely aggressive nature TUTH can give off.
I don’t know about TUTH (been left on the back bench for a while), but for self effects, Ammunition makes me a little more aggressive and I do feel little horny when I wear it. mx297 takes away some of that horniness for me tho
This is exactly how I found it with my Country Girl and Sporty, plus a load of bystanders with TUTH/297 or 390. Personally I didn’t find much advantage in going beyond 2 sprays of TUTH but I learned only to apply them when the social interaction/kino/game etc was high and beginning to head in a sexual direction. Too early could be unhelpful.
Later I found that just using plain androstenone could be just as good and less disruptive of the 297 charisma, although it did risk promoting more agression in guys around me. I had a few interesting moments! 
I can’t wait for my foot to be better so I can take this mix out again - It was one of the best I’ve tried for drinking dancing and party nights!