MX 297 is my favorite product, ever. It is congruent with how outrageous I like to be. So I decided to post my musings on it and combinations which work best with it.
297 + eNone.
eNone is the primary ingredient in TuTH. 297’s vibe can be killed by too much none, but TuTH at double strength is good.
I also have used and use eNone in the form of Domination, NPA, straight eNone and Ammo. Summer Ammo is not as good in this as normal Ammo. Domination and NPA are both products from another company, but they contain a lot of None. Works well because Ammo does contain other stuff!
297 + P 75
P75 is a lot like aNone to me, kinda sensual aggressive vibe. For younger guys who are not able to pull off the eNone P75 does work.
P75 give 297 a more masculine feel.
297 + P96
This combination is from the Vet Pago. Pago is a wizard. I suggest you look up all his posts and memorize them.
P96 does add a sensual and romantic vibe to 297. Many complain 297 is a friend vibe, which is a lie. But you need to act on 297 to get it working. Add 96 and 297 opens up and is more crush like.
297 + IH + P83
You can run 297 with just IH or just P83. A lot of guys do this. 297 already has some disinhibition to it, so P83 in a low dose helps really get the blood flowing. People are more willing to connect and be honest with you and this mix.
390 and Impi
Impi, a product from another vendor, is a social with eNone and a secret ingredient. Slow building attraction, which is prime on young girls. Add it to 390 or 297 and over the course of a night, or a date, she starts as buddy buddy touchy best friend to naked in your lap. 390’s scent matches a couple Impi’s.
297 + Beta-Nol + P83 + NPA
This is my best/favorite 297 mix EVER. Beta-Nol is the main ingredient in IH, and half of the legendary CTTM mix. It is a molecule which screams “I know you, lets share secrets”. IH can work, but IH has steering molecules in it which can muddle the water.
To get people to try this I will share one story from this mix. My friends GF was giving me a back massage at a bar. She starts making sexual jokes. The sniffs my neck and offers me a blowjob. The rest of the night she keep trying to kiss me. She also shared how she would have sex with me. My friend was a couple feet away!
297 + IS + Ammo
Timeless classic 297 mix. My least favorite. It is a tad buddy buddy for my liking because ammo is like that for me.
IS is a look at me, I am healthy addition to 297. This one is great on REALLY young girls.
These are the best 297 mx’s I have tried. I am about 22, and have used about 7 to-go’s of mx 390, and a couple dozen 297.
Secrets to 297 success:
Be a dick. Be the sarcastic guy who laughs at his own jokes and has fun. Ride out the 297 and do as you want.
Dont be afraid to be the touchy guy! Women drop their guards on 297!
For Club Game, 297 destroys bitch shields!
297 is NOT FRIENDZONE! You kids do not know what you are talking about! I have been seduced many times on 297, no work involved. Girls PICK ME. A little alcohol, they feel randy, and BOOM. Easy walk in the park.
Every 297 batch is different. Could be purity, could be tweaks to get it consumer line ready. How I buy 297 is when I need it I buy one to-go, then test. Good batch, I buy a LOT. Bad I wait. Bad Batches are just less “LOOK AT ME I AM A GOD” and more “I AM FUN, AND IF I START A CONVERSATION YOU WILL LOVE ME.”
Yes, I said God. 297 can get you the best DIHL reactions. Head turning, “HEY THIS GUY IS COOL” looks.
297 is the cool smooth operator. Rock star. Everyone is your friend. Guys get touchy with you.
Pago taught me this trick, which I used. I gave my buddy 297 and 390 mixed with cologne individually. I told him to wear them around me. He already wore different colognes so I would not notice the Akuto/Ammo scents. When he wore them I wanted to be his best friend, do things for him. I even had a dream about him once.
He and I were not best friends. We were just buddys. We got a lot closer after I wore 297.
297 gets me a LOT of free stuff. Mones do that for you but 297 is on a ten. 297 also hits the fastest for me than any other product.
297 proves to people mones work if you just spray three on and go about your day. You will see a difference.
You can add IS to 297, I prefer TAA. Less other steering molecules.
Dont add IO. Does not help the vibe.
Dont add IJ. IJ does not mix well, in fact it takes away from both vibes.
Be cautious with A314 and IG. 297 is an Alpha molecule with steering mones. It is not straight eRone, but something like it. I think it also has DHEAS in it. Adding a lot of eRone could be too much status, always was for me.
Nominated. MX297 is one with polarized feedback. Dissenting voices called it beta. Others sing its praises. Your arguments are persuasive. Restock time approaches for me. Shall I grab 297 and putatives–continuing my tests–or a competing oil-based status/Alpha product? Abandon ship? Most MX products don’t survive. Goodbye P96 . Their data does go into product reformulations. I’ve read 297 frustrations and have my own–enough to have murdered my own journal in a fit of 75 and None rage. Your body makes many (mostly in pee) Rone metabolites. Pheromones? We don’t know. Effects? *Hard *masculine to *warm *gentleman. 297 or similar putatives? Could be any of these…or neither. None is chemical penis. 75 is warlord guarding women and children of the clan. Purity…batches; the chemist can make it assay to taste. IH, betanol, steering, fallout. A314? TAF? DHEAS: Think enantiomers or conjugates in the Rone metabolic chain. Glucuronidation. Preach it, Kimba!
Personally, its not the MX297 that makes you beta - Its your personality and the way you use it. So to that end, MX297 is not going to do well for everyone. Like some other products I suppose?
Certainly, MX297 is not your “classic” strong, severe, cool and comanding alpha and it will not help a quiet/reticent/introverted personality unless any self-effects hit hard - Its a much more social beast that thrives on fun, interaction and engagement. Get that right and laugh, dance and party as hard as you can and you will have a different sort of status as the hub of any good time. Of course this won’t always be a lot of use in "serious bonding, connection and LTR-building mixes but bear in mind that attraction to a lot of women, notably younger ones is a blend of the fun/social and sexy - They are not looking for or particularly receptive to those more serious LTR qualities qualities projected by the likes of A314 but are open to having the most fun they can in the shortest time possible and everything that goes with it. Work MX297 that way, not seriously, around people who are receptive to that vibe and you should have a great time.
P93 - I don’t know but it may be possible. From what I remember, MX297 was claimed to be based on P91 but it is steered away from the fey/dreamy effects of P91 aone. But yes, P93 (or P93/sexual) could create great social/comfort and get groups of young women loudly discussing how horny they are and loving every moment of it in no time. Then there was its noted preference amongst northern types, so maybe I’m just in the right part of the world? Either way, i’m storing and rationing my remaining supply carefully.
Steve was “dissenting voice” calling 297 P91 / beta. *Is *297 P91?? I like heavy alpha mones , so maybe 297 fits Alpha after all? Some testers are just better observers than others…who knows? Lor (?) reported nose twitching and supranasal/frontal lobe “pressure.” I’ve seen P75 nose twitching over 50 times. Am I skilled or stupid? Both. Synthesizing a designer molecule, every 10 mg batch can be different…just ask for it. A chemist’s TLC assay report can be eye opening. *
I’m fixin’ to catch hell if people grasp the holy grail of how pheromones and mixes work. Mixology isn’t voodoo. It’s science; public knowledge. More research scientists (like JV Kohl) here would be awesome, defining steering, *buffering *and diffusion atomically. So much confusion abounds.
Yes, I noticed how the tone of the reports changed after Steve’s pronouncement. Before then, MX297 seemed near-universally loved. At least by guys who had got the hang of steering it.
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don’t know either? Hard-assed alpha and pant-burning none is not the be-all and end-all of mixes and its not even that attractive to a fair number of women, so 297 gives us another avenue to explore in situations where traditional “masculine” mixes are unproductive. Its all about diversity and engaging feelings across a broad er range. SO its good having a range of mones to support that.
If it’s P91 and TAH/TAF, then it lives for eternity, long after the MX fire burns out! Remember how Jim Jones told people (not comparing Steve to a cult leader) to drink Grape Drink with potassium cyanide? Damned if 90% didn’t stand in line to get a taste. Free thinkers. Gotta love 'em. FWIW, Jim was too cheap to buy real Kool Aid. 'Twas Flavor Aid, in case folks are ever tempted with the “drink the Kool Aid” metaphor.
Well, I can tell who the phero experts are left on this forum!
My pleasure. We need more quality threads now.
Thats a LOT to digest!
I am not trying to convince you. 297 has a place. If you dont want the results it gives, do not use it.
I dont get hard respect from men, I get love, celebrity and buddy buddy. Everyone wants to be your friend, because you are a star. They also want to establish dominance (Read: Because you are not Alpha - Not a Lawyer, Not President, Not a Fighter, Not a Boxer). But it is not dominance like we think of it, it is the as an equal, no barriers. No inhibition. Guys will touch you, friend you, etc. This can be seen as beta. I see it as love. You two are literally brothers. This is how 297 projects its vibe to others.
Women? 297 is comfort, 297 is look at me I am attractive, 297 is disinhibition. Women love it.
I must reply to this all at once, because bits and pieces culminate in my mind.
Beta, which I say 297 is not, is widely defined in various ways. TO narrow this down:
Is 297 friend zone, as in equal status to males and gives great equal footing to men? YES.
Is 297 a product which gives you authority over another individual? NO.
Is 297 a product which sexually arouses women? NO.
Is 297 a product which gives you dominance over others? NO.
So, based on these criteria, 297 can be viewed as Beta.
A314, a few batches ago, was universally viewed as the strongest Rone Status product. ALPHA. Other main stream status products? Wolf? A7? Well, A7 is like A314 lite. Wolf? ALWAYS described as more buddy buddy or more beta than A314. Better for younger guys.
Funny thing is, Wolf at ten drops is much like 297 for some people.
Does this mean Wolf is BETA? Or 297 is BETA? Not at all.
People confuse Status. I was the first to say 297 gives you SOCIAL STATUS. Which is not ALPHA/DOMINANCE/MALE STATUS.
Social Status is the social hub, the connector. He gets you into parties. He is fun, he has a very real status in life, his currency is fun. But is he the guy who will punch you in the face? Serve in a war? Run a country? Run a company? NO NO NO NO. But no ALPHA product does all of these.
A314 is the cheat code to having smooth confidence in all situations. Or it was when first released. New versions are less smooth confidence more in your face/aggressive. But, A314 is the confidence to handle all situations. It projects the ALPHA male status of being the guy who can run a business/country, handle women, and men follow him because they must or else.
Why does this matter?
Women are attracted to many things, a primary factor is status. Social, political, economic, what ever prefix to it, it is status. Social proof, i.e. how many friends you have and people know you is also Status.
You wont attract a woman with getting her turned on (TuTH and Ammo) alone. Status gets her.
297 is a status all women respond to, but some in a lesser context. Some demographics of women, and people, have different gender roles.
Ever been with a Columbian woman? An African American woman? A Mexican Woman?
Or in contrast, been with a British woman? Australian woman?
Hispanic and Black women, and I hate to peg people demographically so much, prefer a very dominant guy. I have a thing for Latin women, and I assure you this, they are FIESTY. They will bite your head off and eat it like a praying mantis. Does a product like A314 work better on her? YES. FAR BETTER OVER 297! As does TuTH over 297.
Same for African American.
English women, Australian, American women, they tend to like 297.
Why? It depends what type of man they respond to on a character level. People all respond and prefer one thing or another. Exceptions exist but in a general sense we can trace this all back to what type of Status one prefers.
Age also plays a role. At 21, does what your friends think, and society matter more to you than what is the best long term decision to have an IRA, two kids, and a home by 35?
Women who are older, who value the social connector less will respond lesser to 297. That is how it works.
At the same time, they still react, it is just how they value that emotional response.
If you are a friend with a girl and are 30, and she has all the reasons to sleep with you, but does not know if she feels the spark, 297 will lower the barrier and disinhibit her.
But if you Cold Approach a women who is 32 and try to be the fun guy, odds are she will move on because her life has other priorities.
Same situation, A314 to a close friend? Odds are she closes up. A314 in a Cold Approach, odds are she responds very well because you align with what she needs.
Our body’s all react the same way to mones, believe it or not. Men and women. But attraction, arousal, etc, all work differently. Just like we all have different preferences, different pheromones work for different people.
I am a proponent of wearing product to get the type of girl you want. Well, I want a relationship so I was wearing a lot of Status mones for a long time. Then I re-ignited my PUA career and realized that when I was a PUA I followed the rule of you must sleep with a girl to get a relationship. Especially YOUNG girls. I am a young guy who wants young girls, I did the math.
I dont know everything inside of 297, we never will. I also get frontal lobe pressure at high dosage (4 or more), but I also get that with some P’s as well. It is not an exclusive issue for 297, its about phero potency and carriers effecting your brain quicker.
For these guys who HATE 297, odds are they dont use it right. You need to push it with escalation, you need to make moves, you need to use it in the correct contexts, you need to use it on the right women. But dont use it at a fortune 500 company interview and expect the interviewer to see you as an authority. No, they see you as a good friend who also can get them into any party.
People need to be willing to form their own opinions. I see people say 297 does not work for them. Really? Put it on a friend and then see how you view them. No, it works, but you dont know what to look for or you are missing the signs.
Now, if you are a good looking social guy people may already respond to you like they do others with 297.
Or if you are a wall flower and put 297 on you will say it the best thing ever.
If you dont apply near your nose, you dont get the great self effects.
If you dont have sarcasm down or are not witty, 297 may not help.
If you only want 40 year old cougars who respond to high eNone and Rone, then 297 may not be for you.
But for the rest of us, 297 works.
Again, I dont blame guys for not liking it. It does castrate you. Shoot, no dominant respect, all buddy buddy. Spike it with NPA and women love you, but still no guy respect. Does not make it less of an animal at pulling women or having a fun night out, but it does change who should wear it and when.
MX397 was a female reformulation of MX297. No none in 297, BTW. How different is 397 vs 297? Is today’s 297 reformulated or identical to 2010s’ ? By design? There’s a reason why opinions are so extreme… You are selling me this car! I think probably 297 *does *work. All MX’s are mostly data collection, it seems. I don’t think any survive as a direct release. Maybe the reports were supposed to be wildly different…eliminates perception bias. Cross testing against other putatives is wisest: forums are replete with pleas to attempt duplicates of long-dead MX’s. Cross-test now, while supplies last! 397 : *supposed *to be an alpha female test. Wickedly interesting comparisons to TAL.
297 has good and bad batches. I think it is the purity of the ingredients, so a slight change in composition. I think 93/91 are in it, or were. It is still a great product on a good day, hence my love.
A ‘Bad’ batches is one which the self effects are less pronounced/not visible. That means, for most of us, that we assume we need MORE 297. NO! Bad idea.
A ‘good’ batch has the insane self effects. Sarcastic, witty, and high energy.
More tidbits:
Less is often more! Two sprays, three max. More? Diminishing results until it loses efficacy.
When adding none, be CAREFUL. You GHOST easy with None (Re: NPA) with 297.
Do not mix other things with 297 in the same to-go. Wise words, this is a tricky animal to mix. I wasted a few to-go’s figuring out how to do it, and once I did I stopped. It was the sort of thing where I wanted to learn to figure the product out but in the end I realize that it was not a good idea.
Purity? Isn’t always ideal. Celexa is 50% unpure. The impurity:Lexapro. Racemic. Enantioselective chemistry. Maybe I’d like some beta androsterone with my alpha, just to make it smooth and cool. I’ll take an order of Glucuronidation that, so I can pee Rone and mark my territory.
Kimba. The force is strong with this one. You made great observations; no science-based biases. That’s why MX’s exist. My perceptions are affected by what I know. Steve gets it. Read the label. Did mixing with None make the None hit too hard/fast? Maybe batches were different by design to test effects and gather data–like yours–to decide which batch is best…and if the cost of chemist is economical to make it. I’ve heard things can cost $1,000’s per milligram. Custom made. Cash up front.
Couldn’t agree more on mx297. Too many people were hating 297 thinking it made them beta. Well if you though it and actually believed it…then yes YOU became “beta” BUT mx297 had nothing to do with it.
I’ve said it before women love a fun guy. I always found mx297 to give me that vibe of:
fun guy
he’s cool
fun to be around
celebrity
Guess fucking what guys? Girls want to be with that fun guy. If you have a good crew that you hang with and you are the center of attention, you will pull chicks. One thing I used to do was walk into the bar, scope out the chicks I liked, and made sure they saw me smile at them (this is an old PUA trick) and I would turn away. After a few minutes I would work my way to my target, if she smiled back…bada bing she’s mine!!
As with all mones mx297 unlocks the door but you have to open it and walk through it. Just live in the moment and good things will come.
Not really - But IS is its own kind of happy/party vibe and worth it it for that.
The sort of reactions I’ve got from 297 with both sexes makes me think it could be quite viable on a woman as well as a man, even though the scent might be a bit off. The FF21 MX390 version is in 6% scent, so much easier to cover and the stealth versions would be easiest of all.
I’ve got a few togos of 297 stockpiled, collected over a fair while and I’ve noticed that despite being stored in the same container/conditions, some have discoloured whilst others have not - which may say something about the batching?
I love 297. It is Beta though to guys, girls? Not so much. It depends what you want that night really. I get burnout on it quick.
Batching comes to the balance of 91 imo. Discoloration could have something to do with it or Akuto, I would need to inspect other saved Akuto products. I think it is akuto though, my 91 was in a 30 ML so I never noticed colors. 297 does change color differently based on batch though, I am inclined to say better batches discolor quicker. I have mixed remnants of different color and batch 297 and the results were less potent.
Actually, my big batch of 297 is lighter despite being a year old and is some of the least potent I have used. I think they modified 297 in order to temper the Beta as many great Phero minds called it Beta.
As a MX, it’s enjoyed far more longevity than most. Some have said that it’s got TAH. Don’t know. TAH has never been exactly cheap or plentiful. That being true, launching 297 as a consumer product at, say, $49.95…I don’t know how the economics work out. There was a time when they actually discontinued Sexiness due to shortages; it would be a heartbreaker for women no doubt.
. Their data does go into product reformulations. I’ve read 297 frustrations and have my own–enough to have murdered my own journal in a fit of 75 and None rage. Your body makes many (mostly in pee) Rone metabolites. 
None is chemical penis. 75 is warlord guarding women and children of the clan. Purity…batches; the chemist can make it assay to taste. IH, betanol, steering, fallout. A314? TAF? DHEAS: Think enantiomers or conjugates in the Rone metabolic chain. Glucuronidation. Preach it, Kimba!
Either way, i’m storing and rationing my remaining supply carefully. 