MX388 and MX389--Adventures of a Subtly Not-So-Subtle Sort

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I recently ordered and received the Androstenone Split Test Pack composed of MX388 and 389. These are both supposed to contain the sexual pheromone androstenone, presumably at equal concentration, but created from different chemical syntheses. This supposedly leads to different impurities in the products, and possibly to different effects. A better explanation is found in the thread where Jasmin announced the release of the pack, here:

I understand that these MXs are extremely similar, differing only in the level of impurities in the androstenone, so I will have to kick my observational skills into high gear to make sure I notice any subtle differences between the two (although it is possible that the differences won’t be subtle at all). Because of this, forgive me if I occasionally seem to regard as a hit or a difference something that seems completely mundane and unrelated to my wearing pheromones.

Now, on we go!

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MX388 Self-Test:

At approximately midnight last night, I wasn’t doing much except listening to Charles Ives, so I decided I might put my time to good use and do a small self-test. I broke out the MX388 and applied a good 2.5 sprays (two sprays plus that initial half-spray) spread along the bottom of my arms, my neck, and under my nose. Pretty much instant rush–I felt a small surge of energy, and noticed that for about a minute, I didn’t seem to know quite what to do with my body. I was just suddenly more aware of my arms and legs, and this sort of shut down the usual autopilot of complex but common motions. I would reach for something, get distracted by something else, and then realize I hadn’t picked up the thing I initially went for, where as my body would normally just finish the motion for me. I didn’t notice the reddening of the face or flushed feeling I get with some other -none products, however.

After a minute or so, my brain seemed to adjust to the influx of raw masculine pheromones, and I simply had more energy. And I sort of wanted to fight someone. I went to my mirror and started throwing punches, imagining getting into a bar fight, taking on some drunk ass who thinks he’s all that (heh, the irony at that point) and emerging victorious after some vicious combination of blows, leaving him in a heap on the ground. Keep in mind, I wasn’t ready to head out to the nearest bar and start flinging insults. It was just exhilarating to imagine myself in that position. And I didn’t think that I was invincible. I wouldn’t take on some seven-foot-tall, muscled monster. But I was confident. I felt fast, and I felt strong. Now, this may have been a mental effect. I was testing straight androstenone after all, a molecule I associate with aggressiveness and masculine power. So, a placebo effect is quite likely, at least to an extent. But it is also possible that the androstenone put me into this mindset, or at least helped me get there. I’m normally a pretty laid-back guy.

After a while, I calmed down, although I didn’t really feel like falling asleep until around 3:30. Other than the energy, I didn’t notice any further self-effects.

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Vespero I have always enjoyed your research and reporting. I look forward to reading this. You are a true researcher sir :slight_smile:

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MX388 On the Outside:

Thursday evening, I found out a girl I know was dropping by for a quick visit since she passing through town and we had talked about hanging out a couple times before, but it never happened. At 4:30, about five minutes before she arrived, I applied two sprays of MX388, spread between my arms and neck. I didn’t feel an increase in aggression to the extent I felt in my self-test, although I did notice that I felt very confident and happy when I left my dorm to go find and meet her. When we finally found each other, I noticed right away that she was significantly more talkative than other times I’ve hung out with her. She’s usually fairly quiet and seems shy. However, this could also be because I’ve only ever hung out with her when she was either high on some strange drug or we were in a group of three or more. I think she may simply be more comfortable or talkative in one-on-one interactions. We shared a bit of banter, making fun of our respective school mascots and joking about a group of people we passed. When we got to my room, she made a comment on how nice it looked and how she had the same poster as me, but smaller, and differently colored, for some reason. However, the entire time she was in my room, she didn’t seem to be able to stop moving. She would walk back and forth, even though there’s not much space, and was continually looking at one thing or other in my room. She was very friendly and talkative the entire time. When she left, she said we should hang out again next time we’re in the same town, or I should visit her at her place.

At 6:00, I went to Quiz Bowl practice. Not many people were there when I arrived, except for the two guys who sort of run the club and another guy. I was going to just sit wherever, but the main guys insisted I sit closer to the head of the table. While both of these guys are quite knowledgeable, one in particular seems extremely intelligent and gives off somewhat of a ladies’ man vibe. He just seems very confident, both in his movement and in his speech, never an awkward moment. He has an alpha character, but polished, without being overbearing. For as long as I’ve known him, I’ve felt a very strong sense of mutual respect. As people started trickling in, he made a comment on how I was rocking a beard (I’ve recently only been trimming rather than completely shaving) and how he regretted whatever genetics denied him such a privilege. At this point, the other head guy chimed in with the same sentiment. They urged me not to shave it, because I should take advantage of that ability. A girl across the table also said I should keep it. So now, I had two confident, intelligent guys and a girl complimenting me on how manly I looked and the guys were bemoaning their inability to not grow beards. I’ve kept it at the same length for a few weeks now (as I feel I look too boyish clean-shaven) and have never gotten any comments.

I was very in the zone during practice. I didn’t feel aggressive at all, but I felt very confident. I knew the answer to a lot of questions. The girl across the table at some point insisted that I couldn’t possibly know the answer to something (testing me?), and I proved her wrong. She was also more talkative to me than normal, and didn’t talk to the other members as much as normal. The alpha guy also seemed quite impressed, and when I missed a question that turned out to be easier than I thought, he said don’t worry about it and referenced a question he had missed similarly, as if to make sure I knew he thought we were equals. Also, at some point, he started beatboxing spontaneously. Does extempore beatboxing count as a hit?

I think that was the extent of the day’s observations. If I remember anything else, I will add it in.

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Great report. I am working with MX389 but I have been using a small amount of buffers. Looking at what you wrote it makes me think I should be testin it alone. just dont like the idea of ODing

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I understand your concern, but this split-synthesis pack was made so they could find the differences between the two syntheses. That includes OD-ing. Since the mixes contain different syntheses of -none, they may cause an OD at different numbers of sprays. I think this is something that would be important to Androtics, and to the community, as it’s possible these will go into products. In Jasmin’s thread introducing the test pack, she stated that one of the syntheses was very pure, research-grade androstenone, while the other was a slightly lower quality synthesis, still very good but unfit for research. I obviously can’t make claims, but that makes me think that the higher grade synthesis could be used in new MXs for research purposes, while the consumer line products might start incorporating the lower grade (but still quite pure and effective) synthesis in an effort to lower expenses. So, they need to know as much as they can about the specific character of each synthesis, including ODs. Even if I’m wrong, I think that it would be best to test both mixes solo for a while and gather as much information about each as possible. I would suggest you test half of the bottle by itself, incrementally working your way up until OD. Test at OD level application a couple of times, looking for differences in even the ODs. I understand testing androstenone like this can be difficult because you wouldn’t want to wear it at work or other similarly inappropriate locations, but I feel you should definitely try to find a way to test it in this manner. Once you are familiar with how the different syntheses act in comparison to once another, then start adding in buffers and other molecules. Sorry to sit here telling you how to test. I know you’re an experienced tester and know how to do these sorts of things. That’s just my opinion of how one should test something of this nature. If you have a different idea, by all means, share it.

I haven’t tested them enough to be able to tell yet, but I doubt these are very high mcg/spray mixes. Since the differences between the two are possibly only subtle, I would think significant flexibility would be required in dosage, so I wouldn’t worry about ODing at a low number of sprays. However, I could be completely wrong, so if you apply one unbuffered spray and are immediately beaten by a motorcycle gang or something, I apologize.

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Whenever I have brought a girl into my bedroom, before things get physical I find that she probes the room. She is looking around to get comfortable with her surroundings. Its almost a sure tell sign, and if it didn’t happen that time, it will the next. I consider that a huge hit. Good work

Another thing I learned from one of the Masters of Seduction when we were hanging out at his house. He mentioned the time he visited an exotic location and asked me if I wanted to see the pics. Hell yeah!

He explained that he would ask a girl the same thing and all his stuff like that would be in the bedroom. Why I asked? Because in showing interest I would invite the girl back to the bedroom. It was the natural progression from couch to bed.

Just a tidbit of info I thought I would share with you.

You’re also right on the advice to Jesse :slight_smile:

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Thanks for the advice. I believe I read that each spray is 2.5mcgs of pure -none. My 389 gives really short sprays. I have friday evening for testing, as well as wine tasting in Sonoma all day Saturday.

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Hah, you’re right. Jasmin says herself that they’re dosed at 2.5mcg/spray, in bold, in the product release thread. I don’t know how I managed to miss it. Anyway, thanks. I was already pretty sure they had to be about 2.5, just from the way they made me feel, but confirmation is nice. Good luck testing this weekend!

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Attempted OD on MX389

Last night, I realized I hadn’t done any real testing for a little while since I had been wearing the new A314 sprays over the holidays and hadn’t really paid as much attention as I should have. I decided to attempt a -none OD with MX389. I applied 4 sprays, for a total of 10mcg of androstenone. I spread two around my arms and wrists and two around my neck.

Up to this point, I had been a bit drowsy and was considering going to bed. I suddenly felt significantly more awake. I decided to go get coffee before the shop near my dorm closed. On the walk there, I noted an increase in confidence. However, this was different from the calm, collected confidence of P90 or the sexual swagger of P77. It was different even from the “I don’t really give a damn” feeling of P75 and P130. This confidence is the sort that walks into a bar and shouts “Fuck you!” There is aggression here, and not just sexual aggression. This is a molecule looking to get in a fight.

I walk into the coffee shop and immediately take note of my surroundings. No one really looks at me until one of the baristas, an African-American male, stands up from where he was kneeling having a conversation with someone in the sitting area and asks what’s up and what he can get me. I initially go to order a small coffee but see that they’ve started closing up and pouring out the extra coffee to clean the tanks. I jokingly accuse the girl behind the counter of wasting perfectly good coffee. She grins and says they still have French roast, so I order that. Now she turns and does this weird, almost hopping walk towards the counter, tears off a big piece of a croissant, and pops it into her mouth. Then she stands there for a second with croissant hanging out of her mouth. “Attractive,” I say with a playful smirk. She tries to say something, but her mouth is full so I don’t catch it, and then she turns around and goes into the back room and doesn’t come back before I leave. This particular girl is usually a bit more talkative. I figure she would at least finish chewing and repeat what she said before leaving. Maybe she felt like I was being a jerk?

Later, my girlfriend came by to hang out for a bit. She could not stop touching me. She is always touchy, but tonight she simply could not keep off me. Surprisingly, the touching wasn’t particularly sexual (she has a very high libido) but was very cuddly and gentle.

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Hey vesp

I thought it was 5 originally, I don’t know why.

But thanks for the heads up, I was planning on testing that tonight.

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No problem. I wasn’t sure how much it was at first either. Good luck tonight! Are you testing it alone or with any buffers?

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Probably going to test it alone at first, depending on the smell, I might put cologne on, but not over the app spots.

Did you cover when you tested or no?

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I haven’t covered when I’ve tested these two, although they do have a definite body odor scent to them. However, it isn’t necessarily a bad scent, at least to me. It’s just a very human smell, reminiscent of sweat, which makes sense. Maybe go without covering, but carry a small bottle of cologne with you in case you get a lot of bad reactions due to the scent. After all, we know some people don’t like the smell of androstenone. We want to see how these syntheses affect people, but that’s difficult to do when no one will stick around long enough to be influenced because you smell bad. On the other hand, the less extra variables (such as a cover scent) the better, hence my suggestion to start without a cover but have one available.

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Ugh…I am really starting to doubt myself here. I have found nothing agressive about this -none. I have not felt anything like what you described. I havnt even seen a hair flip yet. :confused:

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I think you and Vesp are the only ones who’ve tested this so far, and you’re pretty spot on about molecules, maybe there isn’t that much of a noticeable difference between the two?

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Do you typically find -none to have an aggressive feel? Remember that it may simply be a difference in how the two of us react. I’m only 19, going on 20 in a little over three weeks, so I may be more sensitive to it. It’s also possible that I am experiencing a placebo effect, though I’m usually decent at filtering those out to an extent. I noticed that a combination of MX389 and P130 made me very anxious, to the point that I had to leave a meeting and wash my application points in order to not feel completely overwhelmed. Perhaps I should copy that post in this thread. How are the two syntheses comparing for you? I have avoided reading your testing, but perhaps I should soon. I have found MX388 to be a bit more contained and calm than MX389.

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Wow…I had no idea you were that young. That would explain alot. Honestly, I need more time to be able to form a good opinion here, I really dont want to speculate. Thats the reason I havnt put out full reports on these yet. The only real report I had done on them was when I mixed it with erone and anol. The only other talking I have done about them has been in this thread. the research continues.

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Haha, how old did you think I was? I’m just a bit more articulate than some people my age. Not a problem. As we seem to be the only people testing this pack, speculating at this point is a bad idea. Do you know if anyone else is testing these MXs? I’m tempted to buy another pack to continue testing, as I feel I’ve wasted a significant amount of each in tests that were less than optimal (little opportunity to interact with others, applied other molecules before I fully understood how each synthesis worked.) For now, as you said, onward!

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Heres my report…Probably doesn’t hold as much weight around here as others, but I’ve been able to easily wear this at work so am agreeing that it’s sexual but not in a sexual way.Hard to explain. I’ve had ridiculous hair flipping from two separate female bartenders(3 sprays) that I know well(If that matters or not). I am currently up to 4 sprays alone of MX388 and this last time didn’t use a cover with the 4. I’m gonna test four sprays again tonight and report on my 2 encounters with 4. The smell doesn’t seem to bother me even though I do notice it right away.