As I’ve just wrote in my previous post, I monitor the points, so I can read comments, it was about 40-50, maybe I counted wrong? I’m unsure.
Oh my, that proverb was in reference to me more so than anything else I was using it for the ‘Soon ripe, soon rotten’ part, I was feeling good about the forum, and the PUA material got me distraught, the second part was just there, not intended for anything. Then negative rep me if you wish But I never wrote that all PUA material is used apathetically.
I did not create that post out of malice, I did not try to rally women against PUA material, I expressed how I was feeling and it was meant to ask the others on the forum, to help put those feeligs in perspective and ideally how to cope with them. Nothing more.
Phero’s may go hand in hand with PUA, or should I say it may have been like that, but the phero community isn’t all male anymore. It’s co-ed!
This forum is supposed to welcome everyone and be about phero’s, it’s not supposed to be a PUA forum where phero’s are also discussed and where anyone who’s not a PUA is a visitor who has to put up with them because we “are on their turf”
Women, are people. Men, are people too. But we aren’t in the day and age where we can have a storybook meeting and relationship with these girls. If we were to spend our time thinking about the one “mrs right” for us, with her “curls of golden hair” and “Eyes that could see through stone” chances are we would crash and burn with this girl. As you and I both know, if you show too much interest you will be shot down, plain and simple.
It isn’t that we (or at least most of us) view women as objects, it is just that before we reach a certain point in the relationship, the entire thing IS a game. What I mean by this is that before we manage to actually make a special connection with a special someone we are forced to see you as what we are given to be seen.
Once the chase is over, and the game has been played, there is real feeling, and not just a game.
Keep in mind, even most PUA’s final goal is to have a beautiful woman that we can love, hold, and be happy with.
dj baby you know i love you lol but a girl has a right to go shake her bootay I do tend to agree on the bar thing but mostly if a girl goes solo. You go with friends tis the same thing as guys do hard day at work bf probs or simply chilling.
Now the girls that show up w their asses hanging out of their too short dresses and get sloshed of their arse… Eh.. theres either a thought process missing or they’re after the same thing the boys are.
Chances are if I go out most of my skin is covered and my hair is up sure I still try to look nice but thats for me.
I love clubs.Especially industrial clubs. Bars are ok in the right company.I don’t drink because I can’t really drink livers fairly bad off.Plenty of irish in this girl lol tho i love my booze.I like buying other people drinks ah living vicariously.
But when I did drink it was simply to relax and be happy.
in general.
I’d say some guys take the pua thing to a negative extreme but I noticed in high school guys like collecting women or snagging that pretty girl so they have bragging rights.
Girls do the same thing but we’re on the hunt for long term generally.
Yeah guys in their area are gonna talk shit its what men do.It’s good for male bonding and ectra.Yes us gals do it too in our own particular manner.
I do think that when you go for something like a one night stand there is a detachment you don’t want to get too emotionally involved.I mean if you fell madly in love with the girl your whole one night stand plan would be fubared. I think that its that detachment that bothers a lot of the girls and got to domnk.
We all have different beliefs and values.
Thats fine.I may disagree with some things sometimes but you guys are entitled to feel and do what you want as long as its not a personal attack against someone else.
I think that to an extent it should be ok for women to vent their frustration on their side of the forum lest we end up in some sort of convoluted gender war.
I can understand that for some of you guys you’ve simply had enough of drama and clingy behavior. Not all women are that way thats a given but the ones that hurt guys to the point they would rather stay away except to play make me sad.
On the alternate side of the coin women have feelings and a lot of us don’t handle the one night stand thing so well.The trick is to try to go for the ladies that do.Those sexually confident foxes that know they got it and you want it and thats why the’re out to play.
Women by nature have a strong biological investment in any sexual act and I think that is part of our mindset.
I also think that if you’re gonna sleep with a guy the first time you meet him you’re taking your chances no matter how cute,sexy or persuasive he is.
I don’t want to knock PUA I think for some people the psychology behind it can be helpful and that some guys are overdue a good shag . However, as with many things in life there are people who take it to a bad place.
Everyone has been riled up lately because of all the things happening and I think we need to take a step back and breathe and look at things from an objective if possible point of view.
Domnk was expressing an opinion and his feelings he did not list or attack anyone in specific on the forum he said he disliked the practice or method and listed his personal reasons on that.That he brought it over to the womens side may have been sketch but I don’t think he was trying to pick a fight merely taking his thoughts somewhere he could express them without being attacked.
I’m sorry if anything I say offends any of you that is not my intent but people are being so volatile over this I feel someone should pop in and mediate and say hey lets all be friends.
Women using pheromones. I don’t like that some of you guys think we’re wasting our time.You are entitled to you opinion of course but I have my own view on the matter.
Androtics is unique in that it is a company that sells pheromones for reasons other than sex and in general to help with general social interaction.Yes, some peoples pheromones don’t match their personality or how they want to be viewed by others if we could naturally control that we wouldn’t have a market for pheros.(and PUA wouldn’t be needed as much)
I may not agree with my friends sometimes I may think they’re dicks sometimes or bitches but ya know at the end of the day I still love them.
I’m still me and have my opinions and they are still themselves.
I hope I’ve been around long enough for you guys to know that if you get laid I’m rooting you on just as much as your boys are but I am a girl.
I don’t think being fooled by a facade is stupid we all are fooled at one time or another.I know you guys have a hard time.Every species has its courtship and mating rituals.However, ours are personal and as such leave hurt on both sides when things go awry.
Steve-o baby I think most of us ladies look at you as a teddy bear.
Which from a girls standpoint isn’t bad and definitely not emotionless.
I do KNOW that domnk for sure in no way intended that as we were talking of ways to help androtics out because of everything going on.
He was just disturbed by the ethics of pua.
I don’t know what else to say.
I think everyone is entitled to their opinions.
But I do not think now is the time or place to argue about this.
We have testing we should be doing.
Right now we should be doing what we can to boost forum morale not to tear it down or cause rifts.
We are human we have emotions and right now thanks to all the bs w attacks on people related to the company and everything else we’re upset.
We’re worried.
Things that wouldn’t normally bother us will and by letting those things bother us we’re helping out the very people who want to destroy the haven we’ve found here and the company we all care for so much.
I think the title of this thread says it all.
We have got to respect each other now more than ever.
xoxo
~Electra
Ps. Feel free to pm me if you need any clarification on anything I’ve said.
I have tried to be as objective as i can but any writer cannot help but write from their own bias.
Well maybe that isn’t the way it is, but it’s a vibe I get around here. There seems to be hell to pay when you criticize the pua material. But again, I’ve been here what a month or so? I don’t know the history or what’s going on. It’s just a feeling I get that I better tread gently here. lol Really, I have been using sooo much self-restraint I should get metal or fruit basket or something. lol
I just feel the need to point out that there are alot of really nice guys here. Really, I’m not trying to suck up to anyone, but I imagine that comments like these could really offend the decent folk around here.
Not that there aren’t also some douchebags…I try to converse with people I like and filter the rest out.
Sometimes when we are very sensitive to a particular issue we see it a bit out of proportion. At least that is true for me.
BB, I hope I didn’t come across as I was just talking to you… I wasn’t critisizing you or saying you’re wrong, but I disagree with the fact that this forum feels like “PUA turf” and that we should “just accept that”. I don’t see why we should have to since this forum should be about phero’s & everyone should feel welcome.
Sadly one of the tenets of the PUA community is “never ask a woman what she wants, she doesn’t know”.
Beauty, I found your response well written.
I have never subscribed to that PUA junk. Seems to be something that insecure and inexperienced kids need. Even from my youngest dating years I’ve never needed it and I’ve dated, loved, and lived with/married beauty queens, models, actresses, and strippers. And I’m far from being a Brad Pitt, but no woman is “out of my league”, some may be interested in me and most not, but for some strange reason even though my main criteria in a woman has never been appearance, most of the women I have been with have been strikingly beautiful. I can’t explain it but for some reason the women I have attracted generally had men stopping dead in their tracks on the street, all with out playing some psychological games. My most recent girl friend is in her mid 60’s and still gets hit on all of the time by guys in their 30’s. They practically faint when they hear her age. My ex-wife is turning 62 tomorrow and I need to send her a card, we remain friends 28 years after we divorced. She’s re-married and now lives in NorCal.
I got to agree with BrunetteBeauty, if I was a newbie and read some of the men’s stuff…my first impression about the forum would have been quite nasty. I’m just being honest, I don’t blame the girl. So I guess once you know some of the guys here, you realize…oh gawd, they’re not as bad as I thought! lol
I love some of the guys in the forum, they are awesome, there are some that I talk to outside the forum and I do know some that practice the PUA stuff without being downright disturbing. I don’t have a problem with that and I like guys who respect women.
And then there are those who think they practice PUA, act all like they’re hot shots or something but actually report pretty disturbing stuff that just offends me…erk.
Ah well, I like the ladies forum and I’m a girl myself, so I’m happy that we have our own section lol
Ya, this PUA stuff pops up now and then, causes a bit of a disturbance then fades away again. Seems we get a critical mass of noobs who haven’t been through it before, then everyone (mostly) makes up and we get back to normal peace and quiet.
I don’t believe that Steve, as a person or as a PUA lacks empathy or has emotionally distanced himself. But if your look around the forum you will see there are PUA’s who have. This is what leaves a bad impression on the whole PUA community and can easily give Dom the impression that he has of it.
For instance look at this response by Jankrin to another discussion that lead toward PUA …
Not only did he generalize a whole group…women but he admits that some PUA’s dehumanize their targets. That is emotional distancing. I will say he is not referring to himself but speaking from his observations.
I agree its not easy for men, but my take is that PUA material and PUA’s themselves have gotten this reputation because that is what they convey when they post about it. They spend a lot of time blaming and whining.
I am not objecting to PUA material, I am objecting to the poor interpretation and execution of it and not just by people who are not PUA’s but by the very ones who practice it.
I am very familar with PUA. I know quite a few PUA’s who are good respectable men here. But we have a whole slew of new one’s who do not have a clue.
I have to agree with this and its always been this way here. If anyone disagrees with the PUA mentality some people take offence
But when those same people start to generalize and dehumanize women very few say a word in our defense.
This is why people get a bad impression of PUA. Its not the material or every man who practices it. I know that Steve is deeply into PUA and well educated in it and I can not recall him ever bad mouthing women. He loves women but Its the picture many other PUA’s portray
Instead of neg repping those who misunderstand PUA why not neg rep those who enable us to misunderstand it.
Oh I know Xev, that sounded awful..but what I was trying to say in that post was that was MY FIRST and INITIAL response to reading the stuff and what a newcomer might think upon initial browsing of the forums. After more investigation and further reading and understanding, my opinion has changed. There are some really good male posters here. Good guys with good motives and respect for themselves as well as women. Even some of the PUA guys who don’t buy in to PUA doctorine hook, line and sinker, but mainly utilize parts of the PUA idealogy to bring themselves out of their shells and to make themselves more sociable ect, are great. I can respect that. They respect women. But yeah..a guy who buys into stuff like mentioned by a previous poster, “Dont ask a woman what she wants because she doesn’t know.” Yah, that’s pretty doucheriffic no matter how you look at it. But yes lots of conversation here dehumanizes women, reducing them to nothing but complete objects to be displayed, used and bragged about. Honestly, a number of the guys seem to secretly loathe what they desire the most. But on the otherhand, there are many other male posters who are nothing like this and are kind, encouraging and respectful to women and appreciate our opinions and our feedback and share our common interest. We want to know how pheros affect them, they want to know how they affect us, what better way to find this out but to swap our personal experiences and insights?
My reference was to the notch on the belt, one-night-stand-after-another type of pua. Not everyone that uses pua material.
I never meant to imply the entire pua community in my statements. It has been addressed numerous times, in this thread, that PUA material can be used for noble and undignified purposes.
Emotions tend to run high, when another lowers your feelings to mere debauchery, and hurts you. I have emotions, obviously, I apologize for those that post, it was not well thought out, I will not apologize, however, for articulating my feelings in the original post though.
Never said it shouldn’t be anonymous, never inquired as to who it was. Probably shouldn’t have brought the point deduction up though, my bad.
As I’ve written in the my last post, part two of that quote was just there because it came along with the first half, which was a reference to how I was feeling. The 'Think about it" comment, was just meant to be cute, and lighten the original post up. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear.
I don’t believe Domnk was being mean, nor was that his intention. There is lots of the PUA community that I cringe over myself. Then there are guys like David DeAngelo (Eban), Allex Allman, Jae Ellis and the likes that are just great all around terrific human beings. In fact Jae, Romeo of AskRomeo, was the lead instructor for The Rules by Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider, Dating Coaches. How to Tell if He’s Just Not That Into You! before he went off and decided to help teach men.
So yes there are some very GOOD people that study and use Pick Up. Just like I also said in my post that I like Domnk and enjoyed our calls together. He’s a damn nice guy and it would be hard not to like him.
I think what happens to all of us, including myself, is that we can generalize and compartmentalize entire groups of people without really knowing them. This is not only unfair to those people, but even more so its unfair to that person themselves. If we just throw everyone into one big group we might very well miss out on some of the most interesting people we would ever meet.
I have also noticed the trend of MANY topics in the men’s section to take on a tone of crudeness. I mean how many of us like catlord17? Yet personally the name he assigned to his MX: “panty-scorcher” I found to be quite crass. That’s why personally I have referred to it as PS.
Every one of us have different perceptions of whats good and whats bad and that’s good, but just like Domnk feeling as if his emotions are being taxed by what he finds crude, I thought it only proper to point out how others, namely me, felt to hear someone I like call me emotionless.
We’re all human and even though someone might practice something different from what we think is the right way, doesn’t mean they are wrong. They are only wrong in our eyes. Look at the perception of witchcraft for the longest time. It wasn’t understood and therefore not only was there a sense of intolerance people died because of the perceived social awareness. Today it’s pretty mainstream .
Don’t you go turning mark-in-dallas into a salamander Tisha. It took him weeks to reverse your spell and to this day he still licks his eyeballs.
Why is he getting fresh again. We will have to meet out in the garage to discuss this new development. I am starting to think he likes being a salamader They are kinda cute
I was using it for the ‘Soon ripe, soon rotten’ part, I was feeling good about the forum, and the PUA material got me distraught, the second part was just there, not intended for anything. 
Then negative rep me if you wish 
Eh.. theres either a thought process missing or they’re after the same thing the boys are.
Why is he getting fresh again. We will have to meet out in the garage to discuss this new development. I am starting to think he likes being a salamader