There is a woman I know who is almost 10 years older than me that I would like to be more intimate with. We have known each other for several years as friends but took it to the next level on two separate occasions after a night of drinking one month and two months ago. I was wearing Ammo, TUTH and IH on both occasions. I am not too sure what to do to get that mood going again. Since the second occasion, she has seemed a bit distant though I know she has been busy. When I didn’t wear the fragrance, that distance went away. She said I shouldn’t spray so much cologne since it is too overwhelming. I do spray regular cologne over the pheros so that might have been what was too strong. I bought everything To Go. Is it true that the To Go bottles only contain 80 something percent of the strength that the regular bottles contain? I was also considering on purchasing A314, IO, IS, TAL, and P79. Any suggestions on what I should use instead of what I have been using and how much I should spray (in both regular and To Go bottles)? I’m not sure if Ammo is working for me (or IH for that matter). I have received complements on TUTH. Women have actually smelled the area where it was sprayed on several occasions. Would it be better to buy some of these pheros in extra strength? What about P79 or TAL? Would it be best to get those in Lightly Scented, Regular Strength, or Unfragranced? I also purchased CTTM2 and received Instant Jerk and IG as gifts. Can I use any of these at all? Any help would be appreciated, thank you!
Quick question that will dictate what products people will suggest. Are you looking for a relationship or just sex?
I guess I wasn’t very specific when creating this thread though I assumed it was obvious. Apparently not. I’m looking for a relationship, not just sex. Like I said before, this is a friend of mine.
Anyway, I don’t really know how to go about all this. I’m beginning to wonder if it was just the alcohol; maybe there was no real interest in me to begin with. Maybe I’m hoping for something to happen that was never meant to be. Perhaps she feels a mistake was made and is trying to block that moment from her memory. I don’t really know what to think about the whole situation; what I do know is that I have these strange feelings I never had before that are absolutely impossible to ignore. It could be that I’m 23 years old and have never been in a relationship, I don’t really have a clue. I’ve never met a woman that I feel so relaxed and comfortable around. As a matter a fact, there aren’t many people in general that I feel relaxed and comfortable around. I wouldn’t just date anyone; I’ve seen too many relationships go sour as a result of that. The only other women I could even consider having a relationship with are and have been in long term relationships, are older than me, and seem to prefer older men. I don’t want to do anything that can potentially ruin our friendship or make things weird between us. I haven’t told anyone about what happened those two nights and I’m sure she hasn’t either. I’m not sure if I should even pursue this any further than I have.
That’s all the additional information that I can think of to add at the moment. Like I said before, any help would be appreciated.
A month ago and two months ago? If the two incidents were about 29 days apart, try to hit her on the same phase of the moon next month.
Go with your feelings. Best case your feelings are telling you that a relationship with this woman is good for you. Worst case you’ll learn and grow emotionally. Otherwise you’ll just stay stuck and maybe eventually settle for an unfulfilling relationship that can’t hold your interest. No woman wants to be second choice.
Go with what works, the Ammo, TUTH and Instant Honesty. But try to improve on it. Both TUTH and Ammo have androsteNone. For some young men that might be too much -none, but if it worked before…
If she’s older than you, you probably want to try A314 and/or Instant Gentleman. Try to find opportunities to be around other women about ten years older than you and see what works. It is always good to test new pheromones on less critical subjects before trying them on your target. They don’t always do what you expect.
Since the IH worked, I’d try some IO as well. IO is good for romance. The Instant Shine might be good.
I’d be less inclined to go with TAL or P79 in this situation. Others might disagree. I would go with “lightly scented” and leave off the extra cologne – especially since you’re using several different pheromones.
I would go without pheros for a few times with her and would put the 3rd time or 4th ,inside cloths(chest) ,1 spray ammo ,1 openess
if it goes well add when with her 1 honesty again inside cloths(lower abs )
I have found that inside the cloths it gives sometimes better results as it is more subtle.
You may think that it is light ,but works ,especially when you are in a room .
I’d try 2 sprays ammo (neck), 1 or 2 sprays IG and 3 sprays IH (hair)
This definately would be a relationship mix, you could also ease up ammo by a spray.
If your trying to start a relation with a woman ten years older it’ll take some extra effort, hope it works out for you 
Keep using what got you in the door! Apply about 10-15 minutes before you KNOW you’re going to see her, and DO … NOT … COVER! The scent lasts longer than people think/say!
Changing up to something a bit fun, is also a good idea … 1-2 drops of A314:4 sprays of IS:2 sprays of IO … 1-2 drops of A314:4 sprays of IS … 1-2 drops of A314: 2-3 sprays of IO.
My two pennies in your hat. 
Non Phero related advice: Don’t act clingy and needy. Make yourself a bit more scarce. If she enjoys being around you and you’re not always available she’ll be morre emotional the few times she get to see or hear from you.
This is great advice.
And I agree 100% with the rest of the posters. You have a good arsenal at your disposal. The suggestion to try these mixes around older females in her age range is a great idea. This will give you a good bassline to know how these ladies may respond.
Also, Warren’s suggestion of trying to keep these on a sort of schedule is a good idea too. Females tend to respond much more to -none when ovulating in their cycle. This may be why she was more physically attracted, as it’s a subconscious thing she didn’t realize.
Also, the products you have do have some great scent (neroli, ammo, game) and when used in combination can create a nice myriad of scents for her to explore on you. It’s best to put the sprays on pulse points or places that heat up and help to diffuse the pheros into your general vicinity. Neck/throat, back of neck, wrists are normally good. Chest and abdomen are good if you think she’s going to be in close proximity (TUTH and Ammo would be good in these areas). For stuff like Shine, IO, IH, and IG the hair is a good place to put a few sprays to diffuse well.
It seems there is some interest there, so just take your time and go with the flow.
Best of luck to you and keep us updated
I forgot I had IS as a free gift. Now I need IO & A314. A314 is expensive; I am going to have to wait on that one for now. Is there that much of a difference between A314 & IG? I’m also not sure if I should stick with the three I have been using. They may have worked on two occasions but there was a lot of alcohol involved. It almost seems like they have been causing a negative effect lately. Of course, that may be due to buildup. Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions on what pheromones or pheromone mixes I should use to put her in a good or better mood when she is in a bad mood?
Yes.
Men in their twenties don’t always like A314. But since she’s 10 years older, it may be the magic bullet – especially if it is a sense of your immaturity that’s putting her off. OTOH if your youthfulness is appealing to her, the IG may make you seem more cool.
Could be the -none. The TUTH may be too much.
IFM (androstadienone) if you can find any. Great when women are “on the rag.” Also seems to be reassuring. One poster told how his girlfriend didn’t want to try anal sex until he started wearing IFM. Tisha started calling it “Instant Backdoor Magic”.
I just re-read “Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp”. There is some info I forgot about that I wish I had remembered.
“Androstenone has the ability to cause arousal in women during their ovulation. It also has the ability [to] cause irritation, nervousness, and aggression in both men and women.” I’ve been applying the pheromones a lot more recently; I must have acquired build up. She has seemed a bit irritated lately; there are other reasons that can be causing this however.
“People with Type O blood tend to produce much higher levels of androstenone compared to Type A or B blood types.” I’m Type O, I think I need to spray less of each one.
“An important note is that younger girls are more sensitive to –none than older.” I went to a restaurant one day and this random girl sat down at my table and just started gazing into my eyes, licking her lips, and making little signals. Turned out she wasn’t even an adult yet. I don’t want to attract jailbait, that’s for damn sure!
“Beta –Androstenol promotes deeper connections and conversation. It can also promote honesty. Beta –Androstenol is not as approachable as alpha –Androstenol.” Ok, this one is a question. Does anyone think I should use alphanols over betanols? “Alpha androstenol is friendly, approachable, and can make you seem less of [a] threat to women.”
Does any of this new information change the advice I have been given?
Haha, that’s hilarious. Too bad it’s been out of stock for what, 9 months? I’ve read about similar products on the market, not sure if any are worth trying. They are mentioned here:
Blood type O? Definitely cut down or eliminate the TUTH. I am type O, also, and I am older than you so I produce less androstenone, but for me it tends to cause more harm than good.
No. Use both. A little more alphanol (IO) when you’re trying to meet people; a little more betanol (IH) when you’re with someone you already know and want to know better.
I was thinking of going out tonight & trying a combination of IG, IS, and either IH or IO (I don’t have IO yet). This would be around women I don’t know. Do you think that would be a good combo to try when I’m with my friend?
Yes.
I would try to get some A314 when you can, but since you’ve got it, try the IG first. I may turn out to be the better choice. It could go either way.
IG, IH and Instant Shine should be good. Adding IO will probably make the mix even smoother, when you get it. Ammo might work with this mix as well, but try it without the Ammo first. The androstenone in Ammo might be to much on you.
I find Ammo does wonders with older women. It also does not need anything added to it. On it’s own it has proven to attract women of all kinds, yet I do find older women giving me a particular kind of look. I think if you know how to satisfy a woman in bed you will know how to attract her to you.
I remember using Ammo with a MILF during a vacation to Mexico. I loaded her up on compliments, told her she was too sexy, she was making me horny. This was important, because it was congruent with the vibe ammo sends. If you sit back and wait for her to show shes horny, well then shes going to think theres something wrong, or she has the vibe wrong. By personifying, or becoming her emotions and bringing them out in the open it makes her susceptible to you.
Everytime I get a compliment on how I smell, the girl smells the spot where the TUTH had been sprayed.
I didn’t notice much with the combo at the bar. A girl did say I had nice skin and a nice smile but she seemed pretty wasted. I pretty much did what tlxfinest did in Instant Gentleman, Instant Shine, Instant Openess = Instant Results except I sprayed IS twice because I have a ToGo bottle, and replaced IO with CTTM2.
What ever mix you go with try it away from her and note reactions from other people first … that way you won’t get blind sided… The -none ghosting …