Tonight (and basically every saturday) I hang out at this bar known for frisky ladies (and guys) so far I used IO + TAC there and people seemed to be more open to conversing with me, and got a potential big hit from across the room from a MILF7 but didn’t dare approach (she kept looking my way with playful eyes)
So, I was thinking about the following:
IO (3 sprays) + TAC (1 spray at 20mcg should do it) to wrists and jaw line
P83 (2 sprays) to neck,
TUTH or Ammo2x (1 spray) below neck
IG in hair (2 or 3 in hair)
never had much luck with TUTH however, so not sure, I could put Ammo 2x instead I guess.
Could also add IH since I have some now
any ideas on improving this combo? seems like alot of stuff to me so not sure…
PS: they are all neroli light scented except of course the ammo which is FF21
Ammo would probably be better in a bar scenario - Unless its a really raunchy place
TC has a nice playful/goofy side, so maybe leave out the IG, although its sociable and not so serious, the rone vibe may not go so well with the bubbly playfulness of IO/TAC - and you already have some rone in the Ammo. P83 will also help add a physical aspect to the playful vibe.
Not convinced about IG in hair though - The only phero that seems to do quite well there is IS, also it needs to be clean hair, not too thick or too long and no hair care products as all of these can adversely affect diffusion.
Ok I think I’ll go with a touch of Ammo; IO+TAC on jaw line and wrists as usual and P83 (where? not sure yet)
As usual Mobocaster thanks alot of your advice.
PS: As far as -nones go I figure that if I let my natural pheromones deal with it should be ok, as you said in a previous thread, I am not that old that I need to add tons. and being a generally shy guy it is better to push the socials first.
If it gets raunchy, keep a togo of TUTH handy to increase you none proportion later-on when it does.
It is also often better to keep the number products to a minimum in a general setting - Partly because you can end-up doubling-up on some common components (esp in socials), so overmoderating other elements in the mix. Also, in a general setting, a smaller mix is less complicated and often more responsive because of it. Save the more complex/nuanced mixes for when you are getting to know someone much deeper.
I just layer the P83 in with everything else, mostly around the neck/throat, with a little on wrists/forearms. Its only oils you need to keep strictly apart from alc sprays.
Ah ah I knew I should have kept empty to-go bottles
I dont see myself carying around 30ml bottles or leaving them in the trunk…
Do you think cold weather would affect them in the trunk?
No, it won’t. Extreme heat in summertime can be damaging to pheros in cars but only the very hottest conditions - They are pretty resilliant.
It is always worth having a few spare togos, you can also get small atomisers from pharmacies/perfume shops etc and the spray volume of quality brands like Sephora is known - there is a thread on them if you search. Beware of really cheap one though, they leak, evaporate and are inconsistent.
Bar (the raunchy place)
TAC+IO+P83+Ammo. Gay guys friendly chatting with me, normal.
Added TUTH:
Chatted up the waitress (married but open relationship) knowing she is a model, asking her if she wanted to have more pictures for her book (in the context it meant sex would be on the agenda instead of pictures); she smiled and said “I’ll think about it if I ever need more photos”
Club
same combo as above.
Told the owner/waitress there that I have a crush on her (dont ask me why suddenly felt like it); seemed flattered, laughed, left it at that, nothing happening there (she is married).
DJ walked past me and recognized me from FB, even remembered my name (usually I am the guy no ones knows sitting in a corner wishing to have more balls to be more social, also my name is a bit awkward), seemed happy to see me.
Goth-like HB8 was sitting alone, looking bored, kept checking her phone. Walked over to her, told her I saw her dance earlier and she was beautiful; and she immediately barraged me with “dont waste your time, I am taken”; Kept pushing abit, to me it was obvious she was probably waiting for that “boyfriend” of hers and he wasn’t showing up. left her for a while (she kept looking at me from a distance), then once I was fed up of the eve, I went back to her and said “you sure? let me buy you a drink, last chance”; she just said I was nice, kept smiling and once again said NO strangely enough at this point she started touching me. I left and it was too late by the time I realized that if I had pushed her abit more she might have gone with it.
Thats it. I would say it was a pretty good eve because I dont usually chat up women like that because I am usually shy, but last night I was only moderately so and generally got interesting or amusing reactions.
PS: Feel free to critique especially regarding the HB8
I would say you went-in with the TUTH a bit early. Personally I’d leave it till we had determinedly sexual banter going-on and preferably not until kino/physical closeness/boundaries had fallen away.
I’d say the waitress was a polite put down - as a model, she’s never short of people to take photos. The last model I had home didn’t get the offer - I simply pointed her at the lingerie waiting in my bedroom and said I’d have my camera waiting through by the fire. Didn’t waste too much time on photos after that - and she didn’t take-up my offer to delete them the next morning!
The others - I’d say you showed your hand/interest too much too early - whilst I’m not in agreement with the relentless negging/put-down approach of many PUAs, I would keep aspects of my interest to myself until I’m getting good solid interest/IOIs back - Complement them on things other than their looks and don’t be offering to buy drinks all the time. A lot of women will respond very badly to any suggestion that they are being “bought” whilst others will happily take all the drink a guy can buy them and the attention that comes with it, then wander-off with someone else entirely. Again engage them/get their interest in other ways that dont have doormat written all over them.
The Goth is an interesting one - I reckon we could have a whole subset of Goth-specific mixes and they would not always be the obvious ones for either age or sex - IME (and its a lot of IME - I was almost a first generation Goth myself!) Goths can go well on some pretty extreme and/or very ambivalent signatures, whilst the more usual sexual or sexy/social sigs can leave them flat or get a very negative response. Also IME a lot of Goth girls can be a lot more openly bi or bi-curious compared to other subcultures, so do’t assume a bf is involved. You my well have got a negative/overly aggressive response to the TUTH here.
Yes I agree I could have done some chitchat first; at least find out her name (talking about the HB8) but I was revved up and going for a directish approach. but you are right I should keep it a mystery how much I am actually interested next time.
I find it hard to compliment someone when all I have to go on is looks. I guess, not start the conversation with a compliment instead do some chitchat and then compliment on whatever interesting bit I find in the chitchat
Do you think the HB8 would have gone for it if I had started kino since she started touching me ?
