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New here, I’ve tried some pheromones that were given to me, and I’ve posted in the men’s section and in the introduction forum.

However, it occurred to me that I might be asking the wrong people for advice.

I am recently divorced after 11 years, and I’m trying to get back into the dating scene. For the record, I am NOT a one night stand man. I have to get to know someone before I’ll do more than a quick kiss.

The problem is, I’m one of those guys that seem to be the ultimate “friend material”, and even when I blatantly flirt it’s taken as a joke or a game, until they finally realize that I’m serious, and then it becomes awkward. Not sure of the mindset that instantly categorizes men into either the “friend” category or the “doable” category, but I keep running into the former.

I have no problem initiating conversation, I’m not shy by any means. I’m pretty average in looks, with my blue eyes being my most commented-on feature. I like intelligent women, and can have a conversation for hours.

So all that being said, what advice do you have to help me flip the switch from “friend” to “Hmmm…”? Not just pheromones, either, I’m open to any suggestions. I know the pheromones can only do so much. I’m still trying to re-learn the stuff I thought I’d never need again. I’m changing a lot, hairstyle, clothes, even colognes and grooming products. It’s a totally different mindset, and who better to ask about advice on women than women themselves?

As far as my “arsenal” goes, I have Instant Honesty, Instant Jerk (still haven’t tried that), Turn up the heat, Molecule C, MX274. I had a half bottle of Instant Shine, but that stuff worked so well I ran out quickly and plan to order more. I’ve had mixed results with the rest. All of this was given to me by a friend, and it led me here. I’m still trying to catch up on the “required reading”.:slight_smile: Ammo has been suggested, as well as some of the experimentals that seem to be out of stock.

So let me have it, and don’t pull your punches. If I’m doing something wrong, I want to remedy it, and if I’m NOT doing something, I want to know. Learning isn’t always easy or nice.

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Hi There

Well I think TUTH is coming on to strong for your intentions. Your better off using this one when you do want a one nighter. Your around 35 and I am assuming your looking for a women in the age range of 28 to 35 so IJ would not be a good choice. By the time a women gets to that age range they are tired of all the “jerks” out there.

AMMO is a perfect choice. Its the perfect combo of mature sexy interesting male.

Ishine which you have mentioned you like is really great to give you that charismatic warmth and youthfulness. Get more of that one.

AMMO and Ishine go excellent together to.

Your outgoing but make your move at a respectful speed and want to stay out of the friend zone.

How much IH did you use when you tried it ? I am thinking you didnt use enough. I can easily use at least 5 to 6 sprays of the regular strength in this one. I buy it in 4X so I only need to use 2 sprays which turns out to be 8 sprays of regular strength. When you hit the right dosage you know it. People really connect and start to open up on a much more personal level.

MX274 is more of a female mix IMO although men can use it. This would push you into the friend zone more so skip that one for now.

Molecule C or TAC is very laid back. If your already pretty laid back I would skip this one or always layer it with something more intriguing like Ammo or Ishine.

A314 is great for work but women love the alpha male and since your outgoing and flirtatious I am thinking you would be able to pull this one off very well. If you want it in to-go spray to try out try MX347

My other suggestions would be P83. Of course it works different for everyone but from the testing I have done with it and the info I have compiled from here and other forums the majority of men really like this one. It helps break down inhibitions and also makes people more expressive with body language. You will see more IOI’s from women. (its sort of hard to describe) They will move about you in more of a sensual manner because it makes them feel more sensual which definitely will keep you out of the “just friends” box and put you in the “interested” box.

Now other advice on the friend zone. You mentioned your outgoing and can blatantly flirt at times. Flirting is a art. You can flirt in a joking manner and get stuck in the friends box. The trick is to flirt in a manner that leaves them questioning if your serious or not creating sexual tension. You do this by using body language while your flirting. I suggest you look up some of the free body language sites on line to pick up some tips. We dont only communicate verbally and pheromonally. We communicate with our bodies as well.

So suppose your flirting with a girl and your not making direct eye contact or your laughing and just being overly smiley. It comes off as your just kidding around. It can be attractive but doesn’t give you that edge to keep you out of the friends box. But if you tone that smile down to a grin, make direct eye contact when you say something flirtatious and sort of subtlety lean in towards them when your speaking it creates sexual tension. Believe me it works.

You dont want to come off as to interested either so keep that in check. Women will be looking for your weaknesses. If you seem like a push over they will chew you up and spit you out. We like a little chase as well. Guys who are push over automatically go in the friend box. I am not a big advocate of PUA’s but there is some techniques they use that help with this. Look up info on the neg hit. This is not a insult. Its a way to maintain your own value and keep them off balance. Makes them curious and work for your attention a little more.

I will give you a example but you will have to make up your own when the time comes…

Hey thats a pretty shirt… It would look good in blue.

You have really nice hair… you should grow it longer.

Those are nice shoes… they make your feet look small.

LOL I like that last one, someone used it on me just the other day.

Anywho…

Attraction is sort of like fishing. You drop some bait and dangle it and right when that fish looks a little interested you pull it away a little and let it float back towards them again. You do this over and over for a little while and when they finally do bite you know they wont spit the bait right out but be hooked :wink:

Tisha

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Also, DO NOT ask a girl you’re interested in, if she wants to “hang out”. Show her from the beginning that you’re attracted to her and respect her enough to take her on a proper date. I know it sounds old-fashioned, but it works.

A guy who asks me to “hang out” makes me think: one, he just wants to be friends, because that what friends and buddies do, hang out, or two, he’s wishy-washy and doesn’t have to balls to come out and ask for a proper date and show me that he’s interested in me romantically.

So if you’re interested in a girl, but ask her to “hang out”, you have already, by your very own words, set the stage and condemned yourself to the “friend zone” that you are sure to end up in.

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Wow. Brutal and up front. Exactly what I was wanting!

All of this will be taken into account, and research will be done.

So, try different doses of Instant Honesty, get some Ammo and P83, possibly some A314. Might have to get the MX, as the full size is a bit pricey. Instant Shine is definitely on the list, does it come in various strength? Might get the stronger dose and use less, I went through that half-full bottle with a quickness, that stuff is incredible.

The MX274, Instant Jerk and Molecule C will get put on the bottom shelf, might experiment with it later or give it to someone. Hey, a gift is what brought me here, right? Besides, I was always afraid that the Jerk might end up getting me slapped lol.

Ammo seems to get almost as good reviews as Instant Shine, and I know that stuff works. We’ll see what I can afford for the first buy, and keep the rest on the “to get” list.

Still open to more advice, I’m always learning.

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Okay, according to the store, men over 30 should try Ammo double strength, unfortunately, the only thing they have in stock is the travel size in normal strength. Also, Instant Shine isn’t available in double strength. :frowning:

P83’s in stock full size, the A314 is unfortunately out of my price range right now, especially if I get Instant Shine, and the price of the MX347 was a shock. I’ll probably hold off on A314 right now until my next order.

I MAY be able to get the P83 and Instant Shine now, really wanted to try the Ammo but would like to know if it would be worth it to get the travel size.

I’ll probably get A314 next time, or some double strength Ammo if it’s back in stock.

What would you recommend as a shopping list with what’s in stock? I’ve got to buy insurance, sticker and tags for the bike this month, so money’s a bit tight.

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I would say, get Ammo single strength just for now until you find your sweet spot, plus, lets say your sweet spot is 2 sprays, but you want to put one on your neck and one on your wrists, then double strength forces you to put it only in one spot. Or lets say your sweet spot is 3 sprays but 4 is too much.

Get Instant Shine 2x or even 4x, the same with Instant Honesty.

These three products are perfect for learning to use pheros. Ammo for attraction (confidence + sex appeal), Instant Shine for sparkle/mood boost and Instant Honesty for comfort/trust/untimate conversation.

I use similar dosages as Tisha, and get IS and IH in 4x (though you should wait on big bottles until you see what works for you and what doesn’t, it took me awhile to “get” Instant Shine, probly cause I wasn’t using enough, but once I finally did get it, wow!).

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Well, from my reading in other posts/forums I’m realizing that I’m getting advice from two really knowledgeable women so I’d better pay attention!:slight_smile:

So far as I’ve seen, only 1x is available on Instant Shine, how do you get 2x or 4x? The dropdown menu only shows 1x.

I’ve got about 2/3 of a travel size Instant Honesty, should I get another travel size or try to go whole hog and get the full blue bottle? I can get the travel size in double strength.

Okay, I found the travel size Instant Shine in 2x, still don’t see any 4x.

My current shopping list:
Ammo (all of the variations seem to be out of stock, any suggestions?)
Instant Shine 2-4x, large bottle if I can find it
Instant Honesty, size ???

Since I do have SOME Instant Honesty, I may hold off on that, but from the descriptions, I have a feeling I’ll be wanting to use that quite a bit.

Decisions, decisions.

I got the $25 gift certificate, so that’ll help the shell shock to the wallet, but I won’t have a lot to spend above that. I’m just worried about not getting enough, finding some combination that works great, then running out! :open_mouth:

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I didn’t think Instant Honesty and Instant Shine worked for me until I used more - 2 sprays of 4x is what I normally use of those. Sometimes if the store doesn’t show what you want, try calling the 800 number, they’re very helpful.

Don’t know what to tell you about Ammo, you just have to “catch it” while its in stock, or again, try talking to them in person, they may have some they just didn’t restock yet.

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Seconding both of these.

There is different kinds of flirting and interaction between men and women, sometimes people really do want to be friends, other times they are looking to see if there is some romantic potential.

Tisha made some good practical points on flirting. You can try out those examples and see if it feels different and if women respond differently.

On a more general note, when I flirt for example at work, I flirt in a friendly, fun, sociable way and those of my colleagues who are at ease with themselves and have a sense of humor do the same. It has an energy of “I see you as a human, not just a worker”. A wink, a smile, joking with eachother and teasing a bit just makes the day more colorful and relieves stress. That style would also be good for a party where there are both men and women, including some who are a bit less comfy with their femininity.

Now, when I’m chatting with an attractive guy who is comfy with his masculinity, I’ll bring that out and he will be bringing out my femininity. If he is with a group and I am with friends who feel at ease with their femininity I’ll highlight theirs as well as my own. That kind of flirting is a bit more dynamic, because the polarity is highlighted and thus tension is created.

In the more dynamic context, it is very normal for phne numbers to be exchanged with the intention of going on a date. The atmosphere is basically much like a (double or triple) date, so it is not a big step. If the same happened at work, among a group of dorky folks or when two people just chat but there is no tension, it is easy to ask if she wants to have lunch or study with you and make it sound like a just friends thing. She has not had a taste of your masculine energy, so when you ask “So, how about us going on a date next saturday” you are putting that out for her to weigh and possibly reject. Asking to hang out is often something a guy does when he is chicken about that risk. But then as he procrastinates, it may very well become more and more awkward to try for more. Hidden agendas can be quite creepy.

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Hmm…

Thinking back, I don’t think I’ve ever tried more than four sprays of any of the pheromones. I know four sprays of Turn up the heat was BAD, women were rude and bi***y to me all day. Guess I have enough of that particular pheromone naturally.

The friend that gave the pheromones to me told me that even soap and water won’t take them completely off, to use hydrogen peroxide. I HATE the smell of HP on my skin, so when I found out that witch hazel pads would work, I decided to look at the local CVS for those. I asked the pharmacist where they were, she (really cute pharmacist aid, I think) gave me a funny look, walked me to the correct area, and pointed out…hemorrhoid pads.

Yeah, think that ended any chance of a conversation right there. I didn’t buy the pads, either, I was pretty much just wanting to go home then. Will rubbing alcohol work?

You know, I thought I was really good at eye contact, but after everyone’s advice I started making sure I made eye contact and maintained it with everyone I talked to, male and female. Had to tone it down a bit once I realized that some people were getting a bit intimidated, but the difference in feedback was interesting. I even got bold enough to wink at a redhead in the car next to mine, got a raised eyebrow and a point to the (large) ring on her finger, but she DID smile. Hey, even married people like to feel sexy, right? :smiley: Honestly, I didn’t notice the ring initially, I was to the right of her.

And all of this while wearing nothing but a couple of sprays of Armani Code. One of the last presents the ex gave to me, but hey, it’s good stuff and I’m going to use it.

That reminds me, I noticed that some mixes are available in different scents. The Neroli of Molecule C is okay, but I really like how Instant Honesty smells, anyone know what fragrance that is? The Neroli is a bit too “citrusy” to go well with the Armani Code, I think, but the Instant Shine went well with it.

Purely based on the scent, what is the ladies’ favorite here to smell on a guy? Not sure I could do grapefruit… Whatever the mystery bottle 06 was, I never want that, smelled…well, let’s just say the last time I smelled anything remotely similar to that, I was in a non-air-conditioned locker room.

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Ishine only came as high as 2X but I think they are just selling 1X right to insure they do not run out of stock on TAA. They sold higher concentrations in the advanced section.

IH should have the 4X option in the drop down.

Everything in the consumer section except A314 and AMMO are in Neroli scent. IH is neroli so is Ishine. They smell slightly different because of the underlying pheromone smell.

There are a few reasons they use neroli. Its highly diffusive. It dries down very light and fresh. It blends just about with any scent. Most perfumers use a little neroli in there scent mixes to help the scents to blend well.

If you find you its not blending scent wise with a certain cologne. Just apply your mones first. wait 10 minutes then cover . The wait helps prevent bleed through of the scent.

No. You dont have to get witch hazel “pads” which are frequently used for hemroids LOL They sell witch hazel in the bottle and its used for tons of different things. Just pour some on a cotton ball and use that.

Purely on scent I dont like any of them here which is why I am greatful they sell it in neroli LOL The old AMMO scent that was discontinued was fabulous. I still have a few bootles of it and I really love that one but the new scents havent grabbed me like that one did. I liked the “game” scent they had. Akuto is rather strong and cloying.

Jeez Ammo is out again. Like SK mentioned you can wait till it comes in but no one no’s for sure how long that will take. I know some other places have the same mix of pheromones that makes up ammo. Some of the guys who have used it are having luck with them but IMO nothing packs the punch of the origonal. However ya gotta do what ya gotta do if you cant get it here. Give it a week, I saw a post by Steve saying they would be stocking more stuff next week.

Tisha

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Hmm, wondered about that, seemed I read somewhere that Shine was neroli. So much for other places on the internet that claimed you can’t “smell” pheromones.

I’ll try the pheromone, wait, then apply cologne method.

Good to hear about the liquid witch hazel. I’m still going to a different drugstore to buy it…:o

Yeah, I have yet to see the full size Ammo in stock. I’m planning on calling them direct in a few days to place my order, and see if they have a specific date or if I can pre-pay for a bottle. I don’t think I’m going to look for some other company’s version, I like the camaraderie here too much, and hey, sometimes the original IS the best, as Coca-Cola found out.

So far, my order is a full size of Ammo if I can get it, a full size of Instant Shine, at least in 1x, and a travel size Instant Honesty, maybe in 2x. Still working on the budget. Maybe I’ll get a gift credit card for my birthday lol.

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Okay, I’ve given Ammunition a fairly decent run with less than stellar results. Actually, having a 13 year old niece tell me I stink qualifies as a BAD result, I would say. Longer writeup here:

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Do other women tell you you stink ?

The problem with your 13 year old niece telling you is this…

One she bonded with your natural mone signature and now you suddenly have a new one. It could be making her feel disconnected from you in a way.

A 13 year old is just beginning to have feelings of their sexuality. AMMO wont attract her to you because her logic mind tells her your her uncle but she may be feeling something she doesn’t understand that grosses her out and the only thing she can associate it with is the scent.

I didnt have time to read your linked post yet but when I get home I will. I just wanted to point these two things out from this post.

Tisha

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Yeah, I actually gave that idea some thought myself. However, I myself don’t like the way it smells on me, it definitely does not react well with my body chemistry. Smells great in the bottle, lousy on me. Kinda like any product made by Polo or Azzaro. I’ve been waiting 15 minutes after application then covering with my cologne.

Think I’m going to try dropping the dosage drastically, down to a spray or half a spray. Seems to work for some of the other guys here. Also someone mentioned that Ammo does not seem to work well for “hairy, sweaty guys”. Well, I’m not exactly Chewbacca, but I am a bit on the fuzzy side, and it’s been in the triple digits here for a while. I really wish I could afford some A314, as apparently that is the magical “activator” for Ammo, but I really can’t afford $110 right now.

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Most kids think all cologne smells bad.

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Actually, that particular niece is a pretty decent judge of cologne. We agree most of the time on perfumes and colognes. It’s funny watching her when her dad gets ready to go out, we both agree that his Axe or whatever body spray he uses WAY too liberally reeks. She actually turns a little green. Of course, he won’t stop using it because some cute blonde told him a while back she liked it.

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Ask your neice which colognes smell the best.. Also, I’m surprised that using cologne doesnt mask the effects of pheromones.

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Almost all of the pheromones here have a cover scent added, if I’m not mistaken, so that in itself is a form of cologne/perfume. It’s been said you can’t actually “smell” pheromones, kind of like you can’t “hear” sounds out of your hearing range. You hear them, they just don’t consciously register.