So i have shine, io, tuth, and ammo. I have been trying them out in different combinations for a week with no effect whatsoever. a little background about me im 25 in lawschool, i am familiar with pua and really enjoy social interactions so i tend to not have any problems starting interactions. I tried walking around plazas talking to girls working, sitting in common areas at school, and even wearing them at church. i tried spraying io and shine on my wrists and two sprays of ammo on my kneck at first. then i started again the next day 1 spray of ammo and slowly increasing the sprays one spray at a time up to 4. I have had no noticeable changes from people around me not even negative reactions. I had been hoping that mones would help in attracting women. can you guys give me any pointers ?
Dude try the io by itself for a while. I’ll bet you’ll start seeing hits even if it’s not the ones your looking for right now. Take time to test each one by itself so you can find your sweet spot for that mone.also you learn to identify what kinda of hits you get from that mone. After you get an idea of each one then start mixing two together. Good luck bro, and keep at it, you’ll be happy you did.
Thats pretty odd ive just started my own test and i havent got much resuly either. And it seem whenever i spray these pheromones on my skin the scent dont last very long either. So i was probably thinking on spraying my shirt instead hoping that the smell would stick to it and it would last at least a little bit longer. Hmm who knows
I did start with io by itself but i got no reactions at all either, someone else said i should try ammo first. i did trials by themselves all
Try the io for about 3 days straight in different social settings. Don’t look for crazy shit to happen. if your at a bar sitting there solo with your buddies looking bored, don’t expect for some random girl to come up to you and do the work. It definitely is possible but don’t wait for it. I don’t remember who said it but you have to be congruent with the vibe your putting out. For example if mones where tattooes and you get all tatted up, people are going to think your a hard ass and intimidating. But what happens if after they meet you they find out your actually a pussy. You got to play the part. So if your testing out io, then be open and talkative, watch how people will fallow lead… You might be surprised when you can’t get them to shut the fuck up haha
alright thanks alot, any suggestions on dosage and location?
Even with regular cologne you get used to it after a while. you don’t need the smell to have the effect. Best to keep the mones on your skin because they need to be there to react and do their job properly. Also make sure you aro properly showered and wearing clean clothes. I’m not suggesting you didn’t or don’t. Just saying Im a guy.I know how it is sometimes. "oh yeah I didn’t spill anything on it I can wear that shirt again its still more or less clean… " we’re all guilty… thing is with mones any mones be them natural or synthetic once they go stale they usually end up functioning as a turnoff.
the above advise applies to you as well with the same caviet…
I noticed you seemed to be using mones in a lot of outdoor and typically openish spaces. often with other smells that can be competing… try standing upwind of your targets if you can and realize the more open the area is and thee more other people and other competing smells may mean that you need use a bit more mones. or possibly just get closer to your set.
as i understand it the socials tend to do well on the wrists. tho you may split it up a bit and put some on your neck as well for some better self effect.
also best to more or less let it soak in/dry where you spray it. spreading around can make it overpowerful too much too fast and reduce the time its useful for. so lets say a spray about the size of a half dollar that soaks in will last about 5 hours but if you rub it around and make it take up 4 or 5 times the area it will come off as several times more powerful and will burnout maybe in about 1-2 hours minus settledown time. so say 30 min for normal settledown time leaving maybe 1.5 hours an hour of which its pushing a WAY TOO STRONG signature leaving maybe 30 minutes where it isn’t too overpowering te be effective.
this is speculative but it makes sense if you think about it.
Do it on skin, the body heat and sweat help it defuse properly. Try 1 shot to chest first then test it out. Then try 2 shots to same area as before. The try splitting it like 1 shot to chest and 1 shot to wrist. Spray one wrist then rub them together. Don’t go more then 4 shots of io by itself. I remember one time I did that and I had this feeling of coming off as gay( no offense to anyone) try it out like that man. Do dumb little test like do one or two sprays then go to a store and ask people random question about random shit, just try make it a little relevant. Notice the little thing
One time I was with some friends in her garage smoking weed, it was this girl I was crushing at the time and her 2 sister. Anyways we were there talking all night, I had io by itself and the girls came up with the idea of going in a circle and saying what we most like about that person. I swear all of them told me that they felt like they can talk to me forever and they did, plus one of my buddies even told me he liked to take my to parties because I was an ice breaker in meeting women. Good shit man, I plan on getting io soon to pare it with some jerk
And your profile says 19! If the advice you have been given is based on that age, I’m not surprised you are getting poor results. There is a big change in your natural phero production between 19 and 25, plus the phero sensitivity/tolerances of likely targets at either age will be rather different!
Pheros do not do as well in open air - you need to work close and use more basic/direct combos. Similarly, school and church can be difficult due to established preconceptions of “proper” behaviour.
And “Sitting” around waiting for your pheros to work will not help you any - Pheros thrive on communication and interaction - without this, any initial interest generated will soon be lost, so get out there and work them. Pref in an indoor and uninhibited environment!
Do not use pheros on your clothes - This will only make things much more difficult due to poorer diffusion and a much greater dose required. Even pheros designed for use on clothes do beter on skin, at a far lower dose.
Fibres can also trap mones very effectively - again, leading to dose/diffusion problems and eventually a hefty stink!
It says his number of posts is 19. His age isn’t in his profile. lol. Mobo been drinkin’ tonight… lol but he still makes another couple good points.
preconceived “proper” behavior I have to agree could be a factor. as well as having to actually have some interaction.
They can’t all be one whiff and DIHL. Sometimes its like gravity. It just takes a little push to send them over the edge.
Sorry - too early in the morning here! 
I haven’t been sitting idly in the common areas usually these locations at my school are great for interactions because we all are there to unwind.i have been trying to be congruent. well new day new tests lol
keep trying… eventually you will get a hit and you will recognize it. then you will know better what to look for. could be there are hits all around you and you just miss them from bad timing of looking away at the wrong time. and or they could be a bit too subtle still since you don’t know “what to look for” which is really hard to describe. It’s really a you’ll know one when it happens.
Wait is this really true? Us girls- we don’t wash our hair very often, it keeps it softer, and we def re-wear jeans/dresses a bunch of times to preserve the fabric. (shocked!)
More or less yes. The thing is your body produces its own natural mones as well all the time so depending on what you wore how you wore it and what your level of activity was. If you ever watched Umm I think it was Sinbad the comedian. He described it like this. Men generally have 2 piles of clothes Dirty, and FUNKY. Dirty you can wear again. lol
Now lets say I go out and I wear a button down shirt and a waistcoat (think vest without the suitcoat) Odds are that I have a T-shirt under the button down and it may be short sleave or sleaves rolled up… apparently rolling up sleaves is something guys do unconsciously that women find sexy. I digress. That T-shirt will take the brunt of my skin contact. AND IF I’m going out I may only be wearing that button down for a few hours depending on when I go out and get back home. The waist coat makes very little contact at all with my skin. So the waistcoat unless something gets spilled (then all bets are off) can be worn likely several times before it picks up a funk. The buttondown depends on what you do in it. at a club dancing or other vigorous activity coulb be shot in one go. BUT end of the day that T-shirt needs to hit the wash.
now heres the rub. worn once doesn’t automatically mean staleness has built up enough to turn the milk sour as it were. As many of us here are aware of the T-shirt test… But the longer any given article sits unwashed the more FUNK (post conversion mones) has time to build up etc.
I’m going to stop here because I forget where I was going with all this but suffice it to say if you have some old stale mones going on even it smaller ammounts. It can effect your mone sig.
This is likely a bit less important with men assessing women as we tend to judge quicker more by looks.
Mones is one thing but the best way to attract a guy is to look healthy and fit. Mones will only get you so far. Please don’t hate mail me for saying this but… If a guy isn’t into women with a lot to love for example. Then theres a hurculean ammount of ground that must need be covered by mones and personality etc. M aybe you can drink a girl pretty but you can’t drink her skinny.
It’s the way we are wired and I’m not “shallow” because I need to like what i’m looking at. anyone that says I am is the shallow one because they are deminishing my values and needs because they disagree with them.
so true! Also, men sweat more than women do. Like you mentioned- it depends on which article of clothing is touching you where, and if they are a lot of sweat glands located there.
Well don’t forget all that data that ovulating strippers make more money in tips! But of course I see your point- being fit is very important and not shallow. Don’t worry- I have no trouble attracting men. I was just surprised about the dirty clothes thing b/c you’d think they’d be disgusted with me if they knew/sensed how many times I re-wore my clothes before washing them! (eww not my underwear!)
As long as it looks and “feels” clean. Yes it can look clean and feel icky… and doesn’t reek then you are probably ok. Obvioulsy freshly cleaned (and pressed if applicable) is the ideal especially as far as mones are concerned. Even more so since ADR is using this as data and reducing variables like that is important to them.
To be honest believe it or not… From a health point of view nudity really is best. obviously accounting for weather exposure and things like cooking bacon (you know its going to hurt just don’t know where or how bad. LOL) Especially for girls going commando is very healthy. Less infections “down there” and they don’t last as long if you get them at all etc. and don’t get me started on shoes. Health wise shoes are one of the worst things man ever invented.
I digress…
Where were we?
Ah yes. Idealy it’s best te minimize the variables as much as possible or keep them to known or reasonably estimable quantities. Thus cleanliness both clothes and more importantly Body is hugely important. Not to mention, ask any girl and she will tell you at least looking like you gave a damn about your appeance is a huge plus over looking like you just rolled out in whatever was convenient.