I believe that these mones are a waste of money. I can’t believe it and I won’t I hoped that I find a little secret I know about and nobody else, but unfortunatly I don’t see any hits. I’m 17 years old and most of my time spending in High school.
I have Ammo 2x, Instant Gentlemen, Instant Shine, Instant Opennes, Instant Honesty and Turn up the heat. I spent about 150$ on that stuff and I don’t see any different effects in people or their behavior 
if anything helps me pls tell me, I heard everything before: “You have to see subtle hits, you have to look for, you have to make them work, 10% mones 90 you” I got it but it still not works I really want them to work and learn how to use them. I kinda gave up on them for the last 1,5 months because I thought they won’t work anyways but I decided to try it one more time pls guys HELLLLLLP MEEE, Happy eastern everybody 
Have you experienced anything in the way of self-effects? What kind of situations have you been using the products in? Be Honest… have you been doing some approaching/initiating to really gauge the effects of the products?
Double strength ammo might be a bit too much for you at your age. Have you been noticing that you are kind of left out when wearing it? you could be being ignored because of the signature.
Give this a shot next time your in a place where it is ok to be social (not class for example! Maybe a party or a gathering or a school dance or something like that)
2x IG
2-4x IS
4x IH or IO depending on which effect you prefer. If you want conversation to be more meaningful try IH if you just want conversation, try IO.
Tell us what you think next time you get a chance, if you still see no results, mones aren’t for everyone! You can get some pretty wicked results just by brushing up on social skills too. Androtics will give you a refund though, so don’t be worried about spending the money, you’ll get it back, just give them a call.
What dosages of each product do you normally use? Where do you use the products? If it’s in a classroom setting, you may not see many hits because for the most part, people are listening to the teacher and remaining silent.
Also, I think you should return the 2x Ammo and exchange it for the regular strength. 2x Ammo might be a little strong for you and as maidenfan was saying, you could be experiencing an OD.
What effects are you trying to achieve with the mones?
I tell you what, You ship those things you call worthless to me.
I will send you a money order USPS for $40USD
Today.
Tricky thing to see the effects of mones ..
mostly they are sublte and need a trained eye .
sometimes they are so right in your face that you wont belive it 
Many of my friends thought mones are a scam and they only work on mots or on Borkenkäfer …
I have convinced all of them … believe me ..
simply put on 6 sprays of Instant Openness and enter a bar .. you should get blatant effects …
Pago
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I have Ammo 2x, Instant Gentlemen, Instant Shine, Instant Opennes, Instant Honesty and Turn up the heat. I spent about 150$ on that stuff and I don’t see any different effects in people or their behavior
Do you see a difference in yourself, an self effect?
Well we would love to help you except we dont know how you used them so it makes it hard to tell if you did anything wrong.
Did you use one product at a time and work up to find your dosage ?
Can you describe how you typically used it ?
Where did you apply it ?
What environment did you use it in ?
Why are you using TUTH and 2X Ammo ? That’s Too much anone for your age.
Pheromones are not just spray on and go like colognes. You need to learn to use them. It takes practice and experimentation but once you find your ranges, sweet spots and favorites it get easier.
Tisha
Pheromones do work, and no, sometimes it is not subtle. However, i have “watched” how women behave for YEARS - no I am not a stalker 
Plus, I had enough look and appeal to attract some girls even without it. So I can objectively judge how much interest I got before and after. The interest I get comes a lot quicker and with less effort. Funny thing is the more you know about women, the more confusing they are …
That is why they are from Venus and we are not
First, go learn to observe or know more about women, then go read something like Mystery Method. From my experience, mones do make a huge difference in terms of attracting women and getting their attention. Guys in my classes don’t understand how I suddenly got that upper edge over them
There are many speculations as why some gets DIHL’s while others do not. First, if you have a strong, yet drastically different immune system than your female targets, your natural scent, which is complimented with artifical ones, might be EXTREMELY appealing to them. They need your very astounding yet different immune system to reproduce the healthiest kid possible. So, if you are a blonde dude looking to attract another blonde women with pheros, you would have lesser success than some black dude with drastically different immune sytem. Again, this is just one of many theories.
Second, your phero signature is dicated by genetics and other environmental factors. If you were born with superior genes, you were ahead of some people to start off with, in terms of production and variety. What kind of environment you were raised and currently reside also probably play a big role. For instance, if you grew up in a palace like home with many servants, you would produce more “majestic” mones (like those found in IG) than some dudes that grew up in ghettos (probably higher anone like Primal Instinct).
Anyways, pheros do work, but there are other factors that lead to OBVIOUS or subtle reactions. Plus, sometimes you have to TRIGGER attraction and let something like AMMO sneak in there with it and light up that limbic system and frontal cortex like crazy. It is like a foreplay; you gotta make their engine running!
I have made and seen it happen a few times. It was not intentional. I was just acting like my confident self.
CoolKatDC got my TOTW vote!
OK, now first thing u have to do it !!! CALM DOWN!!! if u read my earlier posts, i had the EXACT EXPERIENCE AS U DID… (go to my profile and search for my few first posts : 2-3 months, still havnt got a hold of it!wtf) it was like crazy!!! do u know why?
because I Over-Dosed it like soo much… so my advice.:
1 - take a good shower, and try to use allot of shampoo and clean up all the mone effects from ur body.
2 - DON’T use pheromones tomorrow, or maybe even not in next 36 hrs.
3 - after that put 2 spray of IG in 2 side of ur nick. rub it around with ur wrist!
4 - sniff ur wrist for good 30 secs.
5 -put on 3-4 (no more!) spray of IS at the back of ur wrist and at the front of ur nick… sniff that too if u want. then the next step is VERY IMPORTANT…
6- FORGET that you are wearing any pheromones, or any external weird thing!!! just try to, convince ur self that these shyt doesnt work and it is all u!!!
7 - after 1 - 2 mins, close your eyes and bring a big wide smile in ur face (the biggest u can get). open ur eyes and have FUN… go hang out with ur friends for all day!!!
8 - at the end of the day, take note of all thing that happened to u, things that you weren’t expecting from people, anything odd… if u dont see any difference then try it again tomorrow, but dont forget to wash off everything at first.
9 - if u still dont see ANYTHING after 3 - 4 days, then send everything back and get ur 150$$$ back.. so u wont be losing anything, and it is neither waste of money, because atleast u smelled good during all these period.
How long did you experiment with them?
As I found out it can take a looooong time till you really get a acceptable skill to recognize REAL hits. Often people think “oh she gave me a smile” this must be a hit, of cource could be but also without mones she would have given you this smile.
I did not have such an awesome playground as high school, so it was much harder for me to learn due to few chances to use the mones.
But although when you have many chances at frequent intervals, it still can and most times takes a lot of time to learn this! The mones enhance your behavior. So if you use IO you must be open and if you use A314 you must behave dominant to get the maximum out if it. You cannot expect to have blatant hits especially at high school.
So be patient, look at the stickies in the forums like: How to Tell a Woman is Interested In You -- The Master "Indicators of Interest List"
However what works for the others must not work for you. You have to experiment with the dosage. Find a dosage with the certain product or mix you can best be congruent to.
I read so often that it is 90% you and 10% the mones but I think different. It is always 100% you and the mones can amplify it to 110%, 150% or even more It just belongs to you what you make out of it.
So read carefully the stickies and tips from others howto make the most out of your mones and you WILL succeed I swear.
And as I told before be patient, every skill just is not a present, you have to learn and earn it
i used to add this on most of my introduction threads, just so the newbiees have an idea of what they are dealling with, because some ppl (including me in the beginning) thinks that these products are magic water and cures all our social problems and all they have to do is spray and stand like a sculpture and women would come and jump all over them.!!!
common ppl wake up, women are not objects, they have feelings too, no matter how horny they are (excluding afew) or how turned on they are (again excluding afew) they still HAVE morals, and their morals won’t let them to do something like that, OR its just that they get confused by the signals ur phero’s are sending and ur idiot body language. i know that everytime i dont feel like talking to ppl in a party all i gotta do is, ignore eye contacts, and no matter what i am wearing women will avoid coming and talking to me.
so long story short: go and talk to them!!! dont expect them to come and talk to u, Imagine if u were from a middle eastern country (back home, women dont even send IOI’s to u, even a girl who’s a 4, expects u to come and open her and show interest and then u gotta chase her) it is pretty missed up!
Thank you for any help and support I’m again amazed by the help this Forum is providing even though I’m disapointed 
@ Maidenfan01 :
- No I don’t really experience any self-effects. I tried hard to see them at the beginning but I don’t think they are there
. - I used it most likely in High school but also at the gym, Tennis tournament (more sitting around than acutal playing), when I was out with friends, On the beach (No water contact) … A lot of different situations.
- I talk most likely to girls during my day and I don’t think that they reacted differently with the mones on, only sometimes was it harder for me to talk to them but even that was only slightly noticeble and I don’t know if the mones were the reason or I was just in a bad mood.
- Thanks for tipps I’m going to a birthday dinner-party tomorrow I will try that.
@ snorida45x :
- I used from 1 sp to 4 from everything. Tried everything
- Most likely school enviroment
- Is it still possible to return the mones and get a regular strength for it?
- I want girls to get more attracted to me and make talking easier, everything mones have to offer.
@ djandarial :
- I will refund them and get all my money back haha but I still want to work them
@ Pagodeiro :
- I know they are sublte. I want to see subtle effects, that would be at least something. Believe me I looked for them
@ MVKBUGATTI :
- Nope unfortunalty not
@ tisha23 :
- You have a pretty profil picture
- I did, but I didn’t seem to work so I gave up on it.
- Applied it before I went to school, went out (no partys though), before female friends came over to my house …
- Neck, Back of head, Wrist, Chest.
- School most likely.
- I know I’ve been using these two less then the other products lately
- Thank you
@ CoolKatDC :
- Thank you awesome post.
- I read (Am reading) the mystery method very interresting but hard to use I see how it works but don’t see how I can use it my situations
@ awesome_nerd :
- I’m REALLY glad I’m not the only one out here who doesn’t get results.
- I haven’t used mones for a while so I don’t have to shower problem.
- I will do it !
- And I will read your post I’m happy to see that you find a way to work them even though you were disapointed the same way I’m right now. Thank you
@ Hyper:
- I’ve experienced a while with it. To the point I just left them in my drawer
- That’s how I always think about any hits I get. I think I’m a decent looking gut and I usually get some hits anyways so I always feel like the mones didn’t do anything that’s normal :o
- I read the Indicator list thread over and over again and I know what’s in it but I don’t get that either.
- Thank you nice post
@ awesome_nerd :
- I know I have some game goin on anyways I just want to make it better haha
Thank you all for your quick responds I really do appreciate it. This is a great Forum with very helpful people. I’m amazed by it
Ok so I do see two problems related to the questions I asked you.
If your testing ground is mostly class during school you might not be seeing hits because it may not be appropriate to talk so you can’t gauge reactions. However if you have alot of social time outside of class you then maybe this isn’t the problem
Lets say you apply it before you go to school, have class for a few hours then lunch. You might not see any results during lunch because it is so long after the application. I find effects last at the very most 4 hours.
You also mentioned tennis/beach. Outdoors is not a good testing ground. You are not likely to see results outside, the targets simply aren’t getting a good enough hit of your mones. Indoors is the best testing ground.
A lot of the times I don’t notice hits until after the fact. Little things that are out of the ordinary that made the experiences more fun. For example, I thought Instant Shine did jack shit when I first got it. In fact, it put me in a bad mood the first few uses. One night I used that same combo I gave you, but instead loaded my self with shine. We pre-gamed in my dorm room before going out. There is usually a bit of conflict with this group, but I remember everyone was incredibly pleasant that night and the mood was light and fun. I didn’t realize the influence the mones had until a few more uses and getting similar results.
Good luck with your party tomorrow, be sure to report back whether or not you think mones played a part!
my man, my man, my man.
may i ask a few Q’s.
be honest!!
what is ur normal day to day interactions with
1)males
2)females
(dont lie, be real)
what kinds of things can u do normally?
ex. open sets (male or female) real well, get numbers, nothing.
what is ur previous experience, like dating, socializing, that kind of stuff.
edit: also, what do u do when u have mones on ( be honest)
u sit there and hope girls come to u? or to u engage ur targets?
as far as class use goes, i dont like it, classes usally are strict? there for learning/ have to be. its a great palce to meat people but really when, few mins before / after class.
sometimes it can be good, i had some mones on today, went to class early, was me and another girl there only, we chatted up a storm, and could see ioi’s. (not saying this like look at me im hot sutff, just giving example of how u could work them)
donno ur age,but ur high school, i assume ur 16+, u live near any big towns?
u might enjoy the club scene. i do, over here in Portland we got a club that does highschool only on fridays,18+ saturdays, another 18 + all weekend,and a homosexual16 +.
look into it if that is what u intrested in (MM works good in thats ituation )
may wanna put down MM or continue reading it, but u can read all u want if u dont apply, u wont grow!
try picking up Niel Strauss the rules of the game (sorry if misspelled his name).
it is another PUA kind of thing, but it gives u missions, FOLLOW THE RULES!! do not read ahead, do it as it says, u might find it helpfull,
if not then u only wasted a few bucks (depending on how u obtained it, plz don’t pirate )
edit: @ tisha, what 'stang is that ur in?
just got a 03 gt convertable a few months ago
after my 96 cobra
and before that my 89 5.0 drop top
(we have had this discussion a while ago before, but just noticed ur pic on profile)
Thank you.
Your getting great advice from the guys. I know its hard when you read all these success posts and you havent had you “oh shit” moment just yet. Thats the moment when you finally see them working. For some that moment comes easy and for others it takes a little work.
School may not be the best place to start because people are preconditioned and it will take long to recondition there impulses. You want to see them working and get confident in them before you do that. Social situations will be better for that. Plus by the time you get to school you have wasted the first few hours of hit time which are usually the strongest. They last 3 to 4 hours sometimes a little longer but the best hits come in the first 2 hours.
Skip the wrist applications and go with the upper chest and neck for now. This is ususally around head level of mnost female targets.
Were you wearing the anone products when this occured ? It could be why you felt withdrawn more.
If you use a anone product when you go to the BD party spray it to the back of your neck so you not inhaling as much it and spray your socials to the front. Remember mones are not designed to make every girl go into heat for you. They are designed to increases interest and interaction. They sort of open the door but you have to walk through it and make a move. There will be times when you get hard straight forward hits but those are far and few between even for the experienced users.
You can do this. Just take your time and enjoy the journey.
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@bedojo Dont want to get to off topic but…
92 LX hatchback 408w 9.5.1.CR
with AFR 185 heads, a trickflow intake 351R and
Anderson N81R cam
Tisha
I’ll reply to all your threads later, I promise. I think I had a hit today !!!
My “kinda” girlfriend came over, it was pretty much like the last time she was over But I applied mones this time, 1 spray Instant Gentlemen, 1 spray Instant Honesty and one spray Instant shine. All around neck area. Well at some point we talked about what we are doing tonight and I told her I’m going to my friends house and from here it started getting wierd. She begged me for litterly 15 mins to come with her to church today instead of going out with my friends. She didn’t stop asking “pleas come with me, please …” I’ve never experienced that obvious lowering of value regards me. (excuse my english I hope you get it 
). And for the 3 hours she was over she was hanging on me a lot more than the last time. HIT or would that happen even without mones ?
I’m about to hit to my friends house, because I didn’t want to go to church and I think it gave me a higher value by saying NO. haha anyways I’m going to that party thing and unfortunatly there are going to be just 2 girls and 3 guys. I don’t want any of the girls, but I want to experience with mones. Even more I want more respect from one of the guys (no homo) so I guess I’ll go with some Instant Gentlemen and Shine out. Comments are welcome and like I said I’ll reply to all your posts when I come back. Have a great night folks
tonight, try spraying two shots of ammo with 2 IS and 1 IH + 1 IO , and then report back
I kind of think none was his problem in his original post. I think the IG + Shine combo will do you just fine for your goals tonite! They work very well together and it should be a nice “life of the party” type vibe. I like to add some nols into it too sometimes, but IG +shine is wicked good in itself. Infact there is a whole thread dedicated to it somewhere on this forum.
So I just got home, it was more like a get together then a party. But I think my combo gave me some results this time, too. 4 months nothing and then 2 at one day WTF !!! I WAS the center of attention even though it was not my birthday, I had a lot of fun. I was flirting with one of the girls pretty hard. We connected good and everyone was in a good mood and talkative towards me
I used Instant gentlemen and Instant Shine, 1 spray each on neck. Another girl was hitting on me too but I don’t want her She mentioned that I smell good and tried to touch me, I felt awkward because I’m not attracted to her at all …
Well anyways to your previous replies:
@ Maidenfan01:
- Thank you for advice.
- I even applied mones right before I went to lunch, but most likely I sat with gguys that’s true
- Maybe now since I think I got results still not 100% sure though, I see more
@ bedojo:
- Girls and Guys 50/50
- I’m foreign so all girls think I’m super cute and aproach me automaticaly
- I’m 17
- I’m going back to my home country in 2 month and then I’ll go out party at least once a week ! I hope to work them there better then here.
- Okay I’ll get that book and keep reading MM. The thing is it says for example you are supoosed to soften a IO with IOD to soften it, but I can’t like fit any IOD to my situations if I think to much about what I’m doing :?
@ rest:
- I didn’t use annones for a while only socials.
So what do you think about that? Hits or not, I’m not sure? Advice? Thank you.