ok so if you have checked any of my following posts you know what i am dealing with .
it has been 2-3 months now and I am almost running out on (IO IJ IS IH CTTM and TUTH)(togo size) and i am halfway through with Alpha314(since i am a sucker to bold smelling fragrance) through the way I have also tried the Edge, and some other of the lovescents newbie kit products… i just cant get a hold of it no hits, nothing… i have done everything. i tried mixing and using allot or less.. but nothing, all i c is my friends are getting more meaner to me, some times i feel like i am not even in the room, cuz the keep ignoring me and ignoring me!!!
the only thing i like is Alpha314… and i use about 3-4 drops everyday. also i like instant jerk, but besides these… I havnt seen ANYTHING while using:
IO CTTM IH and specially IS… wtf? help plzzz
Where do you live, dude? I wonder if it’s possible to send a phero-expert in to your area, to help you debug your current phero follies.
I.. err.. my spaceship is busted, so I might not be able to eke it all the way to Galaxy NGC 4203, but if you have a more Earthly outpost you frequent sometimes, maybe I can’t find someone to help y’out?
It probably really is just a tweak here or there that separates you from “Grr! Ugh!” to “OMG. This is how it works??”
There’s also our resident phero-expert on the other side of our 800#. You can reach Steve easily during business hours Central time for a quick fireside consult. He’ll probably run down a list of questions about your environment and wearing style, so he can make killer personalized recommendations. And, a lot of the time, you can reach him totally after hours, because he’s a cool workaholic like that.
God, by how you wrote in your other posts, you seem like a totally AWESOME fella, so we just gotta get our heads together and figure out that ONE LAST THING that will connect your snazzy style, quick wit, and awesomeness with a scent signature that will do you right. PLUS beef up your self-awareness skillz so you can be doing that “thang you do” in your sleep.
Steve knows how to show you some tricks, both pheromone awareness wise and NLP wise. Call’s on us! 800 671 6464.
you can’t just put some pheros on and expect miracles. Go talk to people and act confident. Are you just putting them on and hoping girls jump your bones?
If so, nothing is going to happen. Don’t try to look for obvious signs, because most girls won’t give them away. What mones do is when I do something to make a girl attractive, they amplify that feeling within them by 5 to 10 folds. How do I create this attraction? by talking to them, using my charm, and doing all the things that I had done before I ever used pheros…
I am not going to lie. I do get some DBDL’s or DIHL’s occasionally, but then again you just have to find what is right for you.
Look my friend. You gotta make reactions. Walking around like a ghost and hoping people will be scared of you doesn’t work. You gotta taunt, sneak, stalk, and boo the hell out of people which makes yourself “known”. You need to create social synergy if you want to make things happen with people much less women.
Women blatantly showed attraction/interest/comfort in middle school but as years go on they definitely learn to be more discreet in showing interest unless they absolutely adore the guy that their trying to get to approach them. Trust me on the days I decide to be anti-social and just walk around with mones on I get a lot less reaction (sometimes to the effect of Zero) and it almost makes me feel like they don’t work. Think of it this way. Even after doing a little more testing and finding they don’t work AD and L-S honor their money back guarantees and you won’t lose anything on your part. You wanna try something blatant that should tell you if mones work or not? GO take a beginner’s dancing lesson. If being in that close proximity to a girl your holding/ dancing with doesn’t do it I don’t know what will.
also, i think he is using way too much mones. Don’t forget: less is more…
I have had A314 for 3+ months and I still have at lerast 2/3 left. Plus, 3 to 4 drops is a lot. Try using 2x A314, 1xTUTH, 1x IS, 1x IH and GO TALK TO GIRLS
I’m a newbie as well and while so far I haven’t gotten the results I expected even I know that the mones themselves are not a cure for a shy introverted personality. I think your issues run a lot deeper than your pheromone signature, either natural or enhanced. I suggest working on some self improvement particularly where confidence and assertiveness are concerned. You can get step by step workbooks on confidence and assertiveness on any bookstores website. Do that first then I’d say try a couple of books on pickup like the “Mystery Method” or “Rules of the Game”. Simply wearing the pheromones and making sure you stand close enough for people to smell you is not enough,
thank you everybody. and thanks jasmine for your GREAT help and concern, it is really hard to find a caring community and friends these day.
I will try and give it a good try one more time before calling steve, and i will try and find out all my flows, i believe i overdose it whenever i lose the smell of the fragrance because I am a fregrance freak, so whenever i feel the smell is out i spray one more time…
so i will try to reduce the usage of pheros or samply start from 1-2 spray of IO a day and then we will see.
btw what is the fregrance in Alpha314, it drives me nuts! i love bold smells like that. and how long those the spray pheros really last.
thnx guys … i have also opend a thread about the phero names (such as -nones or -anols etc) and their usage and what are they suppose to do… so if you can please help me out with that , you will be my heroo ..
thnx jasmine. i love this community no matter the issue of pheros involved or not. it is a great respectful family you guys have built and i really respect what you guys are doing. I live in boston area, i go to a tech school so the ratio of female to male is 25%female and 75%male and besides that i am foriegn so i have this strong accent, i look more like western European which i am not. as i said i will give it one more shot, this time slowly without overdose, and 1 by 1. if i couldnt figure it out, then i am gonna call steve and bug him lolz… thnx again and cheers.
I seen your post I am not an expert, but I would advise you to try this.
You probably are IG kind of guy rather then a a314 but since you like the a314 smell so much put one drop of a314 anywere you like, go with 2 sprays of IG in other place wich are not the one I am going to tell you now.
Apply 2 sprays of IJ bewind your ears. Apply 2 shots of IS each side of your neck and 1 under your chin. apply 1 shot of IO on the back of your neck one on the back of your hands rub your hands in each other. and other on top of your hair. If you are a nervous person apply one or two sprays of spaceland in any part of your neck you havent use or in your upper part of your chest. Apply the IG in any part you havent applie mones and have a good exposure.
Now, this is important, first.
Dont be affraid of eye contact. Dont do strange faces, try to relax your face the best you can. If you are not in direct contact with some girl try to find something you like to do if you are not surronded by friends you will only look bad.
Futhermore, your friends are still your friends but since they ignore you it means your the beta of the group, sorry mate being a nerd has that perks. You dont need to get rid of your friends but you need to show them that you are changing. And that you wont be able to do with them around.
Forget the girl you always had a crush on, she wont never notice you unless there is something to notice like you hanging around with another girl.
Girls dont like weak guys that seem needy and desperate. If you met some girl that dosent give the right amount of feedback it means you dont have the game has you should have but is not the end of the world, never try to run after her, if you lose control is game over. Even if you get an agressive girl never lose the upper hand if she does coments that downs you, fight back with witty comments, never insult her explicity but always say something sarcastic. Like if she is mean person, say something like: " well your the next in line for miss simpaty(friendly)".
If this means you have to go somewere alone than do it, start by going to an afternoon bar, that has a cute bartender, and is empty most of the time, bring something for you to do and train your game and your self with her. Study her 2 or 3 days before interacting with her, try to understand the max you can from ear be always alert and listen to everything she has to say when she interacts with other people, never give a lot from your self, if she interacts with you keep the information to a minimum, and always smile not a big smile but a simpatetic smile. Bring a book to read so you dont freak out having nothing to do. Never lose calm or focus from what you are there to do. always go with mones. Try to be has witty has possible. After this mantain yourself aware everyday you meet her, and look for something you can start a conversation with. Things like “I like to what you did with your hair” or “I like your shoes today” are good, but in my experience if you notice one day that she is a bit down or cranky, say something like " You seem down, If I had to guess I would say it was either cause by matters of the earth or … its just that time of the month". You may get a negative reaction from this but if she is used to see you and you always smiled to her she will at minimus be intrigued for you are. And dress has nicely has possible even if you have to copy from a mens magazine, and when I say mens magasine I mean not a techy mag, one of those wich have beautifull girls in the first page and discuss what type fo traing will get you better abs has the car, watch, clothes, parfums… You dont need to buy those brands of cloaths but find something you have that resembles it.
Most of all you have to want to change yourself to start getting results. I dont know, I read a little of your introduction post and I applied some of my personal experience to it. I also advise to go to the gym every day and work on what you lack, either losing weight or ganning muscle, compliment it with a diet that will help you to better achieve those results. I can promisse you it may take 6 months but If you concentrate on only this loose the loser that is in you and forget the rest you will present 6 months later to your friends as a winner that wont bow is head to anything.
Will I am not really a nerd, i just like to be smart, I keep myself to the latest style possilbe, I take care of my cloths my hair and my body, I dont have a six-pack but i am not overweight eighter . 5’7" and 170pounds max.
I agree with you about the Beta part, I get attached to ppl around me soo easily that I forget the difference between us,and i let everything out! then after afew days i see that I am in a beta position, now adays my college frienz have started ignoring me in the conversation, whenever i am in the room, it feels like i am dead. no one listens to what i say. we chill and hang out together but, i am mostly tht guy that no one cares about (at least i feel that way) I did read some PUA and NLP stuff but i have problem applying it in real life ( approach anxiety). I just want to be an Alpha. I know it wont’ happen with my current group of frienz so i gotta change that! but dont know how.
THe other thng that troughs me to beta positon is that, I talk to much , which most of them are usually non-sense or selly jokes, but it is hard for me to control it when i am in a good mood… and they damage my reputaion in the group I am in that time.!
I just felt like letting it all out rite now. so yea thnx for readding if u did read it all…
Well I can tell you this, you talk to much and your jokes are silly because you are looking for recognition and aproval, this is probably the reason because you fail with girls. You want to be noticed, instead of waiting to be noticed. You dont have the game to act nor the experience, or the deamenor. So what you need is to learn. Be patient dont give yourself away to any girl you met. And read about how to improve your game, that are alot of books about it I would recomend you to read:
1st: Neil Strauss: The game
2nd: PiJ THE STYLELIFE CHALLENGE
MASTER THE GAME IN 30 DAYS
Neil Strauss
Omg, you kiddin’? Thick accents are seeexxxyyy. You better be playing that up. I totally speak in broken SE Asian accents all the time to boost up my sexy-level. You just have it naturally! Yahhh!!
Dang. I don’t have any close phero co-conspirators in the Boston-area. squeezes her eyebrows together in thought. Hmm.
I swear to the color turquoise that it just ONE piece you’re missing, because I think you’re awesome, and you just need to convey that in real life as well as you do in internet life. Hmm, hmm hmmmmmm..
See! Wth! That’s what I’m saying! You sound totally awesome! Jeez… I need another female opinion. Where is happykitsune when you need her… (hehehe).
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I agree with you about the Beta part, I get attached to ppl around me soo easily that I forget the difference between us,and i let everything out! then after afew days i see that I am in a beta position, now adays my college frienz have started ignoring me in the conversation, whenever i am in the room, it feels like i am dead. no one listens to what i say. we chill and hang out together but, i am mostly tht guy that no one cares about (at least i feel that way) I did read some PUA and NLP stuff but i have problem applying it in real life ( approach anxiety). I just want to be an Alpha. I know it wont’ happen with my current group of frienz so i gotta change that! but dont know how.
Ah, fork 'em. Your friends sound like real duds right now, and I think you would do some REAL magic by ditching them for a little while, while they stew in their own egotistical bullcrap, while you flit around experiencing more awesome people.
Hey yeah! let’s do that!
Plug your nose, hold your breath, and sign up for some random stuff that somewhat interests you on like, say, meetup.com or something. What do you like to do? In a thick metro area iike Boston, meetup.com has some really nifty established communities and events. Heck, you can even pretend you’re not from Boston and go to the “New In Boston” community to have people show you things around the city you would have NEVER thought to visit before.
And… Pheros work A.W.E.S.O.M.E. in new environments like this. You seriously have your chance to imprint whatever aura you want to present.
Pheromone’d, Ive never failed while visiting a new city alone. In fact, it’s kind of a cheat, because sometimes I fall in love with the “pheromone-happy” version of a city, where everyone dotes upon me, and opens the doors, and I think to myself, “Wow! I want to move here! How come the rest of the world isn’t like this?”… And… then I remember that I was sporting a metric load of Instant Honesty 4X (or some other sleuthy Beta-androstenol laden mix) and then I realize, “Oh. I cheated. :/”
Anyhoo.. the point of the matter is…
Ditch your friends for right now, they’re acting kinda sucky, and it would be better to distance yourself from that vibe, because it feeds you bad images about yourself. Images which you obviously should ignore becuase you’re way cooler than that.
Go out on a limb and do to meetups, or tweetups, or yelp events. You know, local, fun, nerdy stuff. FUN stuff, where the people are more apt to be cool.
Play up the mysterious thick accent. How fun is it to know a super spy?? A lot!!!
Wear pheros on and off around your new audience. Get a feel for how people are reacting to you without them, then politely excuse yourslef to the bathroom to top up your phero signature. Observe how their behavior changes. Be playful and act accordingly.
Oh, and as for approach anxiety…
There was this HYPER SHY kid I knew a while back. He couldn’t talk to his own mother, I swear. Anyway, my friend and I taught him the simple trick of saying hi to everyone. Simple thing, really, simple an painless enough for him to just start doing it. He started habitually saying hi to everybody. Passersby on the street, dogs tied up outside the market, the bank tellers. Hi. Hi. Hi. Then the hi’s started developing into how are yous, and then quick quips, and compliments. And then he wasn’t just hi’ing bank tellers, but cute girls jogging by, and women at the salon… And then, little by little people started magnetizing toward him.
Simple stuff. I dunno? Try it?
Looking forward to your reports!
(Pheromonally, relieve-yrself-of-hanging-out-with-your-friends-ally, Relentlessly-saying-hi-ally, and all the "-ally"s between here and Mozambique.)
And Jasmin is right accents are sexy, I am portuguese, and all girls I met outside portugal Engilsh speakers love my accent and say they are attracted by that, its misterious and they cant place were I am from, makes them think and want to know me . Good luck
OK a few people have suggested ditching your friends and I agree, but then what? You don’t want to go from being a beta, or even an omega to being alone. You need to create a new circle of friends and position yourself as Alpha. Thing to keep in mind is that Alpha=Leader…can you lead? and where would you be leading them?
Get the Mystery Method and Rules of the Game. Great stuff for beginners, but not the be all end all of game. Once you start getting good you’ll become a sponge for Tyler Durden and the RSD guys, Gambler, Vin Dicarlo, Carlos Xuma and David Deangelo. You’ll learn to create your own unique style that incorporates what works for you from each and toss the stuff that doesn’t. Eventually getting girls will become so easy that you’ll be willing to blow yourself out of a set on purpose just for the laughs.
Get a Mentor, check fastseduction.coms PAIR to find a good wingman/mentor. Books and DVD’s are great but an outside eye to help you break sticking points and fine tune your approach will help you progress much faster.
Then use the net to find guys in your age group with similar interests, myspace, facebook, meetup etc. By being the guy that introduces everyone to eachother you kind of assume the Alpha position by default. You can maintain it by taking on the mentorship role yourself. Once you’re Alpha of a group of guys you have one of the first DHV spikes already firmly in place and it’s real, not a canned lines.
alrite so i went to a date with this girl today to a small restaurant I was wearing:
2X Alpha314 wrist and then rub it behind ears,
3X IO in 2 side of neck and 1 under chin
2X IS in chest and one in hair and behind neck
1X or maybe 2X IH , forgot which part …
The target:
HB 8-9
middle eastern - 5’7
RELIGIOUS!!!
Results on her:
this girl was telling sooooooooooo much stories, omg!!! she couldnt stop talking and talking and talking… wOw … she just put all her life story infront of me !! now, idk if she does that to everyone or it was the mones , but I am diffenitly sure the mones where doing their part… like at one point I had to tell her that she talks too much. lolz, she wouldnt let me talk.
Self-effects:
I was smiling and laughing way too much, I couldnt hold back my big smile and silly laugh, which is I suppose because of the social pheros. which smiling allot and laughing kindda drops the Alpha quality that I am already lacking on, so I have to figure out which product(s) is giving me this effect. that is why I am a big sucker to Alpha314, but usually when i put 3-4 drops it freaks ppl around me, and then i am a brick wall for my social circle…
now I also need to improve my game too, because I felt like the mones were doing their part and I needed to do mine.
conclusion:
the HB was laughing and looked like she enjoyed her time and she had a great time.
because of all unnessery laugh and smile I did I feel like I am losing my Alpha Statutes here (as usual), so any suggestions, ideas and game info would be greatly appreciated.
second you dont lose your alph position with this girl, but you need to learn how to steer the conversation your way. You got her to talk is a great thing, and you should smile … but not the goofy smile, you should smile the I am in control and know what you want smile. Many guys may tell you even the presumptuous smile but that dosent work with me because it dosent comes natural. I use the nice guy smile that changes for the wicked grin when I steer the conversation to a sexual content. I can tell you this is not the best approach, I have several flaws in my game has so I am not the best person here to give you advice. Thow I try to give as little knowledge as I have .
Hope someone more experienced drop by and tell you better. And you should ask a few pointers to steve if he has the time, he will straigthen you out.
Oh, I love this advice, it’s really simple and actionable. Cheers!
Connecting nets of loose friends and acquaintances is fun, and light.
I TOTALLY thumbs up the idea of being the guy that introduces everyone to each other… even based on loose, light stuff.
Like, if someone just mentions, oh, i don’t know, turtles in their conversation while you’re talking about whatever, and later on, you can intro another friend who had a turtle when they were a kid, and conenct them like, “Oh, jenny was totally just telling me how she loves turtles, and since you were a turtle keeper for the major part of your childhood,that makes you like, an expert or something, and you guys should be bff.”
^ (Yes, I’m aware that was maybe the goofiest example, ever, but you get the idea. )
… So, i have this friend who REALLY LIKES turtles…
Something else you can do to help you along your way…
It seems like being alpha is a goal you have set for yourself, if so I would suggest starting off by writing down what being alpha means to you. Being alpha could mean a whole lot of things so narrowing it down to what it means to you will give you a tangible goal to reach, you would be surprised how much power you gain by clarify what it is you want to change in your life. Once you have a clear definition of your goal define an ending point and make it something that is measurable. Ask yourself how can I tell if I am moving closer to being alpha. Then track your progress with something like a journal (there is even a section here for journaling your experiences) its really cool to be able to look back and see how you have grown and changed (I even for fun like to look through the journals here and read the first couple of posts and then the last couple posts).
no hits, nothing… i have done everything. i tried mixing and using allot or less.. but nothing, all i c is my friends are getting more meaner to me, 
some times i feel like i am not even in the room, cuz the keep ignoring me and ignoring me!!!
!! now, idk if she does that to everyone or it was the 
she wouldnt let me talk.
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