New here to pheromones, I’ve been doing some reading and it seems that certain pheros work better for certain “personalities” or types of people. What I’m looking for is to filter through what would be best for me based on my personality and attitude, from your experiences.
Briefly, Im 23, just shy of 6’, very charismatic, A born leader, quite muscular, confident, and I have a great job. I can spark up a conversation with absolutely anyone, but initially I feel that I am intimidating (due to my physical appearance I’m sure) towards women, and after a while start to open up to me and my hidden “personality” as some of them have said.
I have asked many of the women I’ve been with what their first impression of me was, and they all say “the exact opposite of what I think now, I feel protected and safe with you and that you wouldnt hurt me” (Which is what I want to portray from the get-go!). I’m a good looking guy, and it seems the hotter the girl I’m with, the more she tries to act like she isnt interested/ignores me in hopes of attracting me… but all I want to do is chat with em. With the less attractive women it is (obviously) much much easier for me.
What I’m looking for is some guidance of some pheros to start with, and trying to give you an example of my personality and attitude. Give me some advice!
Thanks
Hi, welcome. I am new too. What you have run into is “token resistance”. Since they have so many admirers, Hot chicks set up barriers so guys have to make some effort to get into their circle. What you need to do is be persistent so she knows you are serious about her. Also, don’t let her get away with everything just because of the way she looks. Make her prove she has other worthwhile attributes and qualifications besides her good looks. I think I also responded to you in another thread. Good luck with all this, Lee
From what you’re describing about yourself, I would go with IG with either IO or IH. I’ve used IG with IO and its been easier for women to talk to me and feel more comfortable around me. For you I would go with IH.
Recently though, I’ve been using A314 with Ammo, and I’ve been getting better hits.
BTW you should put something up on the introductions section so you could be eligible for a GC. Good luck!
You need to become more beta, as the prior poster suggested. If you are alpha already and are 23, you are producing a large amount on nones. Stay away from Ammo, TUTH, and IJ for now. Go for the socials, such is IS, IG, IO, IH. You need to lighten your presence.
“become beta”? what kind of advice is that? If guys are intimidated by some woman’s spectacular looks, would you advise her to become ugly, to wear clothes that don’t fit her?
Being alpha means being in a class of one’s own. Not needing to be compared to others. Being beta means being compared to others, and being inferior to at least some of them. Being insecure and comparing self to others.
To the OP - if you look good, are muscular etc, and women have first impression of not being safe around you or even possibility of getting hurt, my first suggestion would be to smile more. I don’t see any real confidence in having scary, frown looks in everyday situations. It says “I need to defend my ground at all times, because it’s being constantly threatened”. I personally prefer to say “I’m perfectly capable of making my life what I want it to be. It’s good and going to be even better”, and that can be said with a smiling face and a relaxed, open posture.
Point well taken. I guess the better way to put it would be to work on improving social skills that are more associated with being beta and to know when to apply them and how much.
I don’t think insecurity is a universal beta trait, because alphas can also be insecure and become a bully to compensate. Adopting some beta characteristics at times can be as simple as allowing somebody else to take the lead on something to let them gain experience. It shows others, especially females, that you have a compassionate and gentle side as well, which adds to your complexity and mystique.
OK, we just name certain things differently then
Like, I wouldn’t call a bully who is like that to compensate for his insecurities, an alpha man. He might have an alpha position in a group of other insecure, but less dominant, individuals, but he won’t be an alpha man or achieve anything special in life unless he gets rid of those insecurities or at least learns how to handle them on his own, without compensating in a way unpleasant to others.
I also wouldn’t agree that “allowing somebody else to take the lead on something to let them gain experience” is like adopting any beta characteristics in any way. On the contrary. A leader who out of jealousy wouldn’t let anyone take the lead for one moment even if that’s good for the future of the group/company/whatever, is a beta inside.
When it comes to women, surprise, I don’t agree again Having a gentle side or being compassionate is not restricted to beta. An alpha man doesn’t have to be unpleasant, scary, cold, with no feelings. You can be alpha and warm at the same time, it doesn’t exclude each other.
Being alpha is more than just showing attitude all the time. In fact, it’s something completely different. Look at those bullies from high school, where are they after 20 years?
What might have worked 10,000 years ago certainly does not work today, that’s for sure.
I don’t like the notion of categorizing men into two options, alpha or beta, anyway. I don’t think that there is a true alpha male alive, or a true beta male for that matter. As long as there is still a drop of testosterone still in his body, even a coward has his limits as to what he is willing to take.
We are the summation of our childhood experiences, and unless somebody had a perfect childhood, they will have insecurity in some area of their life. In fact, the popular definition of an alpha male is almost a perfect definition of a narcissist, and narcissist may have that flair to outsiders, but their personal lives are in shambles because they are most likely emotional abusers to the ones they are the closest to (spouse, children). Hence, a bully.
So my thought is that every man is a situational alpha and a situational beta. For me, I am a lone wolf. I am OK with being the center of attention and I am OK with not being the center of attention. I am OK being with people or alone. During my youth, I was stunted socially for various reasons, but luckily I was born with good looks and with an athletic physique. Even though I am insecure socially, my looks attracted many females. Socially, I would no doubt appear beta. Professionally, I have always been alpha, even from the very start of my career. I had no fear talking or making presentations even to the highest company officers, or to large groups.
I have 50 years of my life I can look back at now, and can see where during some periods where I would be perceived as alpha. I’ve had some very negative life events occur in the past that exposed my vulnerabilities, shattered my confidence, and could then be perceived as beta. And that is the key… perception. It really doesn’t matter what is inside you as much as what you allow others to see. I’m a lousy actor and I wear what’s inside of me on my face and in my attitudes, but there are some really good actors out there that can fake anybody out. I know.. I am married (but divorcing) a woman who is just like that. She’s a borderline, and when we met I was probably the most alpha of my life, but that was 24 years ago, and through years of manipulation and mind games, she has shredded my confidence.
So, I know I have insecurities, and I am secure letting others know that. But isn’t that why we are here trying mones? We all know there are areas of our lives that we are not OK with and want to improve, and mones are a tool that we are experimenting with to do that. Even our friend thaiboxer10, the starter of this thread, considers himself an alpha, yet he is insecure with some aspects of it. By the pure definition of alpha, he should not care, but he does. To me it shows he is human, and not a weakness.
My apologies gentlemen, I have been on vacation away from my computer but was so pleased to return and see all your helpful responses.
With regards to being Alpha and Beta, yes I consider myself an Alpha-male, however I truly do have a sensitive and caring side to me.
One of you mentioned to put on a smile more often to maybe break the ice and seem less intimidating… funny thing is I’m always smiling! I’m almost always the life of the party getting along with everyone, laughing, joking; I think the problem lies beyond that. I’m a VERY witty talker - I’ll admit it - and can talk to anyone for hours about anything. Problem is, most women feel that because I can talk so easily and sort of “shmooze” my way around any topic, that I’m either playing mind games, talking to many girls at a time, lying, putting on an act, etc.
Do you see what I mean? But the truth is I am actually a really caring guy once they get to know me, and for the ones that do get to know me, constantly tell me the same thing of “you are so much different that what I first thought”. Call me confident, but if I walk into a bar/club I know I can get any girl in there to fall in love with me, but only once they see beyond their initial impression of me.
Its really hard to explain, if I ever met one of you you’d know exact what I’m talking about. Even my friends tell me the same thing, that I have almost 2 people inside me.
Now lets talk pheros. You’ve all been recommending IG IO and IH, which I think would work well for me. I’ll be ordering those and seeing what happens, and of course any other advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks Guys
It is already been established that you do not need any none products, you have no problems intitiating conversations and are already charismatic.
Correct me if I’m wrong: what you want is for girls to discover the “real you” more quickly, to put less emphasis on appearances and let them get to your personality more easily.
I would go with Instant Honesty if I was you. They will feel that they can trust you, that they know you on some level and if exposed for longer periods of time it will create a feeling of “connection” between you. Start with two sprays and increase until you get the desired effect. Good luck!
Hmm, IH is definately going to be my next buy, I think thats right up my alley in terms of getting the women to see my personality quicker.
I did however pick up some A314 a little while ago and this girl I’ve been seeing for a couple weeks is ridiculously into me, to the point where she’s worried when I’m around other girls without her. Funny thing is its not that she thinks I’ll be the one hitting on them… that the girls will throw themselves at me! She’ll say things like “your the kind of guy every girl wants to marry” and “even if I met you at a bar and knew you had a girlfriend I’d still do everything to hook you in”.
Definately not something to complain about, but its potent stuff. Almost works TOO good.. lol
To me, this is exactly the sort of person who could do very well with MX297 or MX390 (same mix, different scents)
As an MX, it is sold without warranty but its well established social/charasmatic/fun/engaging properties would IMO go a very long way to round off the OP’s daunting persona.
However, don’t wear it alongside A314 and don’t expect it to work so well around people who have previously shown good responses to A134 I find it dosen’t work so well there.
