Whats up I am new to pherotalk and enjoyed what josefs posts had to say.
Recently i purchased the following INstant female magic, instant shine (which i think you refer as IS) instant openness, and instant honesty I enjoyed reading Josefs personal experience with Instant Female Magic. The Androtics store website suggest 4-5 sprays of IFM yet in josefs post he’s had great success with less sprays, Please I would like personal opinions as well as advice as to how I should apply IFM and what should I add to it–> IShine, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, strictly meant to be usedfor one on one encounters with women. Does more sprays necessarily mean better. Also when you mention covering up a smell would you suggest spraying a quality cologne directly on top of where the pheremone was sprayed? or by covering do you mean directly applying essential oils to the site? By the way I am a big fan of quality cologne so I would prefer covering with cologne but am willing to try essential oils Finally I would like to comment on how IShine,IO and IH all smell nice on the intial spray to the driedown but on the other hand Instant Female Magic Iam not crazy about its intial smell but the dry down is tolerable (its ironic that a name like instant female magic) would smell unappealing. Hope to hear from people to help a newbie use IFM to its fullest poEugene
Start off with 3 sprays of each and “test” how it affects you and those around you. I haven’t heard anyone complain about the smell of IFM yet, oh and I am new at this too.
hey Geno, this whole IFM thing has me kind of baffled. i have been around lots of women in very close proximity and never had a single negative reaction to the smell of IFM, but several very very positive reactions. if i am hyper-sensitive to the scent on my skin, so be it. i’ve accomodated that by using IFM mainly in my hair and reduced the scent-sitivity down to negligible and still have the same excellent results.
i don’t have IO or IH yet but i believe they are neroli scented and i have some other experimone products that have the same scent and i’ve used those successfully to “cover” the IFM that i spray on my wrists.
from my own experience, i think you picked out 4 very safe yet obviously effective products and i hope you share some of your results here with the rest of us so that we can all benefit.
The general guidlines I’ve seen is if you are new to a product is to start small and work your way up, one product at a time.
I usually just use one spray for a few days (or whatever dose is comes in) initially to see how I react. Then over a period of a few weeks slowly up the amount I apply and note the reactions I get.
After you get the hang of each product on it’s own you can mix.
Or you can try out some of the suggestions from other users on the forum.
The key is to take your time and experiment. What works for/on one person may not work on another. Many variables.
In terms of using a cologne “cover.” It is also a matter of experimentation and personal preference. I’ve seen users who say they apply a cologne over the pheromone products, others prefer to apply a cologne elsewhere. Some don’t use a cover fragrance at all (or just depend on whatever cover scent was used in the product).
There seems to be few if any hard and fast rules in any of this.
Hey Geno. You could also start off with testing how the pheremones affect you. For example, I sprayed some Instant Shine on my neck in 3 sprays and then just took a good swab on my finger and rubbed it generously under my nose so I’d get a good powerful effect. It worked and I was feeling very good.
i do the same thing re: one product in various amounts on myself first before hitting other people over the head with something.
if you just take one spray of each of those 4 and then get a great reaction to it, you won’t know which one or all 4 to attribute it to, likewise if you get mixed reactions you won’t know which one to adjust.
with those 4 in particular though i think you could probably take a sponge bath with them and not offend anyone. for an hour or two at least. 
Even 1 spray works well, especially with women who are already prone to like you.
4-5 can help break through some awfully hard ice, if you want to go the low-androstenoune route.
I’ve been testing “night life” mixes recently. I used a mix not dissimilar to several sprays of Openness, Shine, with a small amount of none and rone. I also used 5 sprays around the frontal and rear neck areas.
I had 3 approaches by women. They were all surprises, since I didn’t initiate at all. While I tend to be well liked by women, they almost never approach me, especially if I dress well.
1 girl was the server at a fairly snobby bar in LA. She pulled me aside and chatted me up for 30 minutes, talking about anything and everything she could. She wasn’t drinking that night, as she doesn’t drink alcohol, period… it was a clear case of pheormone intoxication, if anything.
She was so deep in rapport, she even fought against me ordering a drink at the end of our conversation - she must’ve internally figured that I was somehow “so like her” that I didn’t drink either.
A girl from Ireland pulled me aside when going to my car, and introduced herself by saying what a pleasure it was to in the presence of such an attractive man.
The prettiest girl, one that sat beside me (her right leg touching my left) to get my attention, was pretty enough to make all men in the area nervous. She made the stupidest conversation for a ridiculous amount of time, and insisted I take her number before I leave.
All of these women were young to late 20s, and all conversations started by them lasted a minimum of a half an hour.
I’m certain the high IFM component helped quite a bit with this.
The downside? Most conversations with men ended abruptly, which is something that generally doesn’t happen with me. Granted, most started fine… it almost seemed that a “I gotta get away fromt this guy” signal developed within them developed after each passing exchange.
This doesn’t happen without IFM. I’ve tested this mix without it, and it doesn’t do this. I usually get lots of respect and even mild fascination from other men, especially with A314 (which I wasn’t using).
1 or 2 sprays is far safer if you’re still going to be around men. You can also add a little androstenone (such as Turn Up The Heat or Raw Power) when you use any amount of IFM.
Women are far more tolerant and accepting of androstenone when using even 1 spray of IFM.
Not necessarily. I’ll get into this more below.
You can cover it up with most colognes, without issues, or use it alone. The pheromones should still work fine either way.
I wouldn’t recommend covering with most EOs (essential oils) unless you know you’re going to be very close and intimate. (i.e., if you KNOW you’re going to be having sex, EOs definitely add something wonderful)
EOs smell great up close, and really help pheromones work their magic when your target is almost on top of you… but normal colognes are much more diffusive, and generally better for getting the pheromones out there.
Compared to commercial colognes, most EOs can actually inhibit diffusion.
IFM doesn’t smell unappealing to women. That’s key.
Everything about IFM, except some of the corrective additives, is sexually dimorphic (meaning that men and women both react differently to it). Women like the pheromones in it more than men, and they like the herbal component more than men, too.
It “sacrificies” the some of the comfort of men, in exchange for a highly positive response from women.
As much as you don’t like it, women love it. You exchange a little “I don’t like this much” from you for a lot of “I"m lovin’ this” from her.
We have made up some batches without the herbal component, and you can swap for that. Just give us a call to do that, or use the online returns system.
I can’t guarantee it’ll work as well as it does now on women, but it should still work fine.
With what you have, a basic mix that a lot of people like is 3 sprays of Instant Openness 1X to 3 sprays Instant Shine. This has a positive, uplifting effect around everyone. Add a spray or two of IFM around women.
It’s a simple mix that works consistently.
I’d recommend the Openness and Shine around the neckline, front and back. Maybe a spray of each to the hair on your head. IFM to back of head, wrists, or hair on head.
As with any strong pheromone products, more doesn’t necessarily equal better. The above is a baseline. You can experiment with more, and see where it takes you.
Large doses really put a large spotlight on you, and are dependent on how well you can generate an attractive persona, and handle yourself with charm and social skill.
I think one reason you may seem some of the older users here use such large doses with success, is not merely because they’re a “blank slate” pheromonally (pheromone product does decline with age), but because of their natural charisma they’ve earned with time.
Charisma definitely develops with age, and, especially with experience. They know how to handle themselves well. A spotlight, in the form of what seems like “large doses”, helps them to show themselves off… puts all eyes on them. They take center stage and make the most of it.
the fountain of youth. drink long and often. 
Heh. I’ll certainly do my best! (great time to do so, too, given my newfound focus on developing nightlife mixes)
Hi, All. I’m also new to the forum, but I’ve been playing with the products for a little while now. I might add, in a totally unscientific and uncontrolled manner. (Hi, Jasmin) Anyway, I’m REALLY not sure about mixing and matching products, and I’m wondering also if by combining several different products, I might be negating the very effects I am trying to achieve-- wasting time, money and product. Any thoughts or guidance would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jack
i’ve got a tray full of about twenty different bottles jars etc and i mix/combine just about each of them on a regular basis. i don’t really
ever record anything as far as amounts because i don’t actually mix products into the same bottle i tend to just combine them (some go on hair, others neck, wrists etc).
i tend towards moderation with -none unless i know in advance that the woman i am with at the time is ovulating. pretty much everything else i go crazy with trying to find what works for me. i should add though that most products i’ve experimented on myself at pretty large dosages prior to exposing anyone else to them.
once you are aware of the intended and suspected traits of each, i think they demand experimenting and mixing simply because the whole thing is pretty damn new and there are so few rules set in stone. besides, i think most of androtics products say they have about 200 sprays per bottle so if you “waste” 10% on yourself to gauge personal reaction, then “waste” another 10% to gauge high doses on others, that leaves 80% to use in a more restrained or scientific or haphazard manner however you choose.
try each product individually at least 5-7 times at each dose you care to experiment with, then repeat those steps with the next one and so on. it didn’t take me long at all to find that the -nol’s and -rone are very easy for me to use, personally. it took one use of IFM for me to notice a dramatic effect on a gf. after a couple weeks testing -none it wasn’t until i added 2 sprays of Spaceland to 3 drops of -none to finally find a good way for me to use -none. now i realize that the only way i can use -none effectively is for me to combine it with another synthetic pheromone.
anyway, now that you are probably asleep, good luck and please share what works for you either singularly or in combo form so that the rest of us can benefit a bit from your hard work. 
Nice post Josef..very informative…and didn’t put me to sleep!
Do you know how much in (mcg) of Anone you use per application?
well, if i am just out and about and wearing a general out and about type combo, i don’t use more than 1 drop of NPA (always combined with a -nol or b-nol or a314). when i know the woman i am with is ovulating i will use 2 drops if it is before say 2 or 3 p.m., and i’ll use up to 3 drops in a combo if it is later in the evening. i still have 2 bottles of the stuff and i’m trying to burn through them so i can move on to the androtics dosed sprays for better consistency. i’ve been using the NPA on the pillow cases on my bed and on the zipper flap on my slacks to help me get through it faster and also to help me determine if androstenone is better for me personally to use on skin or clothing.
back when i used to brew my own beer i learned that even if you end up brewing the best stuff in the world, the chances of repeating that same batch again in the future are very small unless you know exactly what went into the first batch and repeat verbatim. most of the time a drop of NPA ends up running down my finger or dropping into my lap or washed down the sink so it really is very difficult to say exactly how much i am actually using. props to androtics on that a314 bottle because each drop is so close to being the same that it makes it very easy to repeat.
Josef, thanks for your reply. It was informative and well-considered. I feel a little guilty now for the more cavalier tone of my initial post. I will be a little more bold henceforth, knowing that I’m not just cancelling myself out.
I did encounter (accidentally, I’m sad to say) a wonderful combination that I have yet to duplicate. It combined A314 - 1 drop on each wrist, 1 drop behind each ear, with a couple of spritzes each of CTTM and TAA. I floated down the street feeling benevolent, in love with the world and loved in return. What I found most interesting was that it wasn’t just the mones screwing with my perceptions - the women I encountered were without exception friendlier and more inclined to closeness and physical contact than I have ever experienced. I have yet to duplicate the experience… but I keep trying.
Jack
where would the world be without accidental discoveries?
do you know how long you had been wearing the a314 before going out? the women you encountered may have been reacting to your personal state of mind, they may have been reacting to the cttm and taa but it seems like due to the nature of a314 you would have needed to hang out with them in close proximity for a bit to get a response to it.
there is a lot of truth to the statement “when you smile the world smiles with you” . sounds like lots of people here are having very positive personal experiences with IS/TAA so it only seems natural for it to make everyone more approachable because of the personal mood enhancement effects first and the direct personal contact second.
so many bottles, so little time…