No hits in my first days with IS, IH and A314: sweet spot advice for a beginner

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Ok, so I got my stuff a couple of days ago. I ordered a bunch of travel sizes:

Instant Shine, Instant Openness, A314, Ammunition, TUTH, Instant Honesty and Instant Gentleman (freebie, thanks a lot!!).

Yesterday, I went to a friends place to just hang out. I thought it would be a good time to try the mones for the first time. So I sprayed 2x IS and 2x IH. Got nothing. This guy is someone who speaks non-stop, yesterday he just kept his mouth shut and watched TV. Maybe he was in a shitty mood, who knows.

This morning when I went to work, I decided to try the A314. Since i’m project leader over a group of 25 people, I thought maybe A314 could suit my needs. I did 2x IS and 2x A314. Nothing again. Not even a little hint of any reaction to the mones.

Maybe this is normal and happens to everybody in the beginning. I just want some words of comfort since it just feels like i’ve ordered six bottles of expensive cologne (love the smell though!).

Am I doing something wrong? Am I expecting too much from the mones? :confused:

Maybe I’m a complete idiot for even making this thread after only two times of testing pheromones, but bare with the rookie here…

What do you guys think? Should I just keep “upping” my dosage or what?

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find your sweet spot first. You’re 18 and A314 might come off pretty harsh on others your age.

Try this, 1 spray of AMMO when you have another social function.

Keep ammo on you, monitor it for one hour and see if you get any hits. Then go to the bathroom and put on another spray.

Do this until you find your sweet spot (sprays you get the most hits from)

Then add IS. For IS, IMO start with 2 sprays added to your AMMO sweet spot. Then do as above by adding another spray after an hour.

For social meetings, I’d go with AMMO, IS, and IO and since you have IG add that in there too.

But its all about what works for you, so take some time to find the right mix of sprays.

For me:

3x ammo + 3x IS = Amazing hits
2x ammo + 3x IS + 3x IO = Even better with added OPENER to women on your part.

I’ll be getting IG in the mail here pretty soon and I’ll be adding it to my AMMO IS and IO combo.

This is not an overnight transformation, it takes time and a bit of patience. So keep your head up. You can also read my journal or others if you need a bit of motivation.

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Your not a idiot, it takes some practice and experimentation to get going with mones.

First use one at a time to find your dosage.

If your spraying 2 and you do get a reaction you wont know which is working for you and exactly what its doing for you.

Next start with 1 spray. Maybe 2 is to much. We are all different, with different body types.

Where did you apply the mones ?

Is it cold where you are ?

Diffusion can be a issue and knowing this info can help us give you tips.

Also its not always as instant with people who know you well. They are conditioned to react a certain way around you already and it usually takes a few exposures to reprogram that.

Your friends unusual quietness may have been the first indication that this is occurring. Usually when someone feels something new and they dont understand where that feeling is coming from they withdraw a bit even though its in there subconscious mind. Then when they realize your the same guy just more interesting or pleasing to be around they sort of just accept it and go with the flow.

You may notice results more with strangers or those less familiar to you at first.

As far as expecting to much… That depends on what your expecting.

Tisha

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Thanks for all the great answers. I will try to take in what you guys are saying. I’ll try to take it slow, I just wanted some kind of reaction in the beginning to really know that this stuff works, and then start with the sweet spot testing.

Cold? I’m from Sweden. Need I say more? :stuck_out_tongue:

I applied the mones on different parts of my neck and then rubbed some of it off my neck with my wrists.

I think you may be right about using mones among friends, it may not be amazing reactions at first. But that’s why I expected som kind of reaction when I went to work this morning! I am new at this job and I barely know anybody. But maybe I can’t pull of the alpha style. People are always saying that I look so kind, it may not work so great along with the A314. So I think i’ll lay low with the A314 for a while. Perhaps IG is better suited for me.

I think I’ll do as phaseshift suggested and start with Ammo, to see what kind of reactions I get from that.

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if you haven’t started a journal already. I suggest you do, that way you can keep track of usage and can go back on notes.

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This may be the case, but I strongly suggest you continue to try A314 at your new job. It has shown a strong tendency to get many people treated better than they otherwise would. It can sometimes take a little while for the effects it is having on others to become apparent, both because people don’t always respond overtly to feelings of respect, and because you will need to learn to recognize the more subtle signs.

Use Steve’s sweet spot testing procedure – the real one that last a couple weeks, not the quickie instant-gratification version we all love :slight_smile:. Then, if 1x seems to be a little too much add one or two sprays of IO, IS, or IH to lighten it up. A314 can be a little tough for some people to get a handle on, but the stuff really is liquid gold. I wish I’d had it when I was 18.

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I love Sweden! I went there once on business in the spring (your spring) it was AWESOME!

Anyway, I digress.

Everything they’ve said is absolutely true, especially the part about you not being an idiot.

The key to noticing these things is knowing your IOIs (Indications of Interest, read Jasmin’s post in the Sticky).

The potential for great things is inside of you, not in the bottles we sold. The pheromones and molecules can only help people notice that.

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A314 is somehow the most subtle and most powerful product at the same time. Take into account the slow diffusion and it may seem like it’s not working at first.
The usual sweet spot testing involves 3 days on, 2 days off with progressively higher doses. 3 days at 1 spray, the next 3 day cycle at 2 sprays etc.
But with A314 because of the subtlety and slower diffusion I actually suggest going 5 days on 2 days off. The hits are slow and build up gradually so pay close attention when testing that product.

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Sorry, but this is NOT the way to find your sweet spot…as Rad points out in his post it takes days to find your sweet spot.

How to find your sweet spot… - PheroTalk Pheromone Research Forum

Read that thread to find the best instructions for doing this.

Also read all the stickies including this one…

it will help you navigate your way through the phero landscape.

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I use Rad’s post to refresh my sweet spots every week or so. Its great reading and always a reminder how it should be done.

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I should have been a little more specific. I am aware that my method is not the sweet spot method mentioned in the above links. I just find that it takes too long to go through each pheromone if you have more than 3 to work with, sometimes even two. It will take weeks to find each sweet spot, and then more weeks to find a good mix. Yes you need to have patience, but users new to pheromones don’t want to spend weeks finding their sweet spots, but I find that my shortcut method works for me and may also work for others, vice versa.

Although my method is NOT the real sweet spot method, I am good an reading IOIs therefore it works for me.

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Thats all that counts buddy. Above methods are not facts either, the are just methods like yours. I didn’t use that method either and I think I am doing just fine.

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Same shit happened to me…

Syns i hud-tråden på flashback sen förresten :wink:

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I would say this, the methods described are ideal if you actually want to pursue this as a hobby/lifestyle sorta thing. If and when you get a to a point where you want to be able to custom design combos for various occasions and situations then this really is the best way to go. Yeah I know it’s time consuming and over that time it can become a little pricey going through a few bottles during the learning process but you don’t get black belt skills after one karate lesson either.

Wax on, wax off.

If you just want to have a mix or two for work and play situations then the basic mixes that we advise to newbies will do as nicely as anything else.

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Not to be argumentative, and not picking on anyone. But what counts is giving the best possible advice to newbies.

The sweet spot testing method as described in the link above is as Rad puts it, “ideal.”
While it sounds costly and time consuming, in the long run its anything but. You truly come to understand the products that you are using, and see first hand what they are doing and find that you may get as good a result from 2 sprays of something versus 3.

To try to guage something from hour to hour doesn’t really give you a large enough sample to pull any real data from.

You’re sitting in a Starbucks at 7:00 am and expecting to get results and you don’t, so at 8:00 am you go in the bathroom and spray 1 more shot.
At 7, you got a different crowd. They’re half asleep and in a rush to get to work, where as maybe the 8 am crowd is a bit more relaxed and settling in for a cup of coffee and reading a paper…now its 9 am and you’ve added another spray and the customers have gone from people who wanted some alone time reading the paper, to young college kids ready to hang out and socialize with their friends.

That’s not exactly how it plays out at my Starbucks, but its pretty close…those variables in just 3 different time blocks change your results so much.

What works at 9 am at 1 spray, may not work at 7 am at 1 spray.
What works at 7pm at 2 sprays, may be OD at 5pm. It can be very situational dependent…location, temperature, time, application points and so on.

But as Rad also pointed out, if this isn’t a hobby, then yeah go with some basic mixes…but still…it could very well end up costing you more and you get worse results from your own method of testing.

Just watch the front page of the forum for a few weeks and see how often threads like..“what am I doing wrong?” Or, “I’m not seeing any hits,” come up.

The thing is they are there, they just can’t see the difference between 1 spray and 2, because they didn’t sit around for a couple of days using only 1 spray and then jumping up to 2..sometimes it can be like night and day.

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DO “SWEET SPOT” TESTING IF YOU…
Are going to wear a specific product OFTEN
Plan on documenting your findings to become a REPORTING USER
Want the most BANG for YOUR BUCK in the long run
NEED help with spotting IOI’s(good training tool)
WANT to gain Phero experience faster

DON’T DO “SWEET SPOT” TESTING IF YOU…
Have read EVERY POST in this forum
Can tell me why 3 sprays of P91 is good at work and 4 almost got me killed
Want that “special someone” to RUN FOR THE DOOR and not YOUR BED
Want future advice on why your not getting hits

OK… Basically you just need to get used to the self effects of the products yourself before you start concocting huge mixtures of mones. The best way to do that is to at LEAST test them individually MORE than once. The “sweet spot” methodology can be “tailored” anyway you would like. Just take the advice of testing ONE product at a time till you feel comfortable with it. If you can do that you should be OK. The more you learn about each one separately the better off you will be at making wonderful concoctions in the future.

If you wanna have some fun first do 1 or 2 sprays of everything you got and go balls out and have a blast. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN RIGHT. I take no responsibilities if your outcome is less than desirable :open_mouth:

Seriously though… The most important thing is to have fun. YOU WILL LEARN EVENTUALLY how valuable the advice is around here :cool:

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I got my first blatant hit today! :smiley:

I decided to go with the A314 for work, 3x. As I mentioned earlier, I’m somewhat of a leader/boss in a group of 25 people and today we went to a new workplace to help a company out. I came in to the office with everyone else and stood there, waiting for instructions from the boss at the office on what we were supposed to do. The first thing he does is, he takes a look at the group, looks at me and says: “You’re the boss, right?”. :cool:

25 people and he instantly recognizes me as the “boss”, before I had even uttered a single word!

If that ain’t a hit, I don’t know what is! :slight_smile:

So excited test more of this stuff out!

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My advice would be read and read some more although being realistic a lot of people won’t.Thats why I just say do what works for you and your situation. I am currently laid off for the winter season so I can’t test at work ,and stalking the isles of walmart and book stores got old fast, but if I was working I think the method that gentleman mentioned would probably be best for me.

If you can’t to do the popular method just read the hell out of this forum you will learn a lot and have a few lol moments too.. Would be nice if everyone showed their age so people can have a better idea what their age group is using.

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I always find it interesting when people want to take shortcuts for success. Here is my advice. There is a reason that some of the threads here have stickies. It didn’t happen by chance. This forum is over 5 years old now. I think that someone has figured out by now what works and what doesn’t. Stand on the shoulders of those that come before you. Don’t waste time trying to reinvent the wheel.

Also be careful of who you listen to. There is a reason that everyone reads Rad’s and TheGentleman’s post. There is a reason that John Sebastian, who works for AD, thanks Rad and TheGentleman for their posts. Trust me these 2 know their stuff.