In my mix either the A314 and/or the P83 buffer the TAL (which I add at 5-10mcg). I don’t want to rely on Androstenone and I don’t think you have to. I wouldn’t wear TAH (until I had a better understanding of it). The idea behind the TAL is to give the women that assertiveness to act on the impulses generated by the P83 and in my experience it works a treat! I’m not sure the gay question is a bad thing. It is usually asked because the girl is thinking about having sex with you. I was asked if I was gay on Saturday (whilst wearing the said mix) and the girl who asked ended up in bed with me! Bingo! 
That’s very interesting about your success with TAL. I will have to try it with P83. A while back the craze on the forum was to combine TAL with P79 but I have a feeling P83 would work better with this molecule on top of ‘masculine’ pheromone notes like A314. See below for some forum history about the use of TAL in males…
MHarris (February 18, 2006):
"Quote:
Originally Posted by PheroQuirk
*how does TAL interact with TAC, I wonder? TAL + Instant Female Magic? TAL+Alpha Androstenol?
how stable is TAL/does it need a fixative?
did you manage to get to od level? any negative effects of TAL without none? you become a girlie friend?
Michael - what dosage range of TAL would you suggest?*
Anything below the dosage of A314 and/or **Instant Shine (Instant Shine Spray — Mood Enhancing Pheromone For Men - Alpha A314).
So you could theoritically use 100mcg, as long as you’re using more than 100mcg of a masculine pheromone mix.
I just don’t recommend it alone without a masculine mix, unless you’re OK with experimenting that way.
As far as reasonable dosage goes, I’d say 2.5mcg to 17.5mcg. Pretty small. The influence of TAL (https://pheromonelabs.com/) is detectable at small levels.**"
MHarris (March 19, 2006):
“…I think you’re remotely boosting a woman’s confidence wearing **TAL (https://pheromonelabs.com/), and thus, their expressiveness. Bringing them out, and perhaps even “Bringing out the best in them” when used in a good mix.**”
MHarris (May 16, 2006):
“…The TAL (https://pheromonelabs.com/) probably had a good effect on her, whether you could feel it or not. This is a key molecule that helps women break out of their shells…”
Jasmin (November 3, 2006):
"
Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction
Which pheromones do you guys use for each phase of seduction, in terms of something like the Mystery Method or Neil Strauss’ Game?
We were thinking something like this:
Attraction: Instant Openness or Liquid Sunshine + Instant Shine + small amount of Turn Up The Heat
The Instant Openness or one of the Liquid Sunshine mixes would make people chatty, make 'em feel good
The Shine will make them feel even better. Increase the energy, and make you seem like one of those people everyone likes to be around. An optimistic, bright breath of fresh air.
The small amount of Turn Up The Heat will let 'em know you’re not just a friend.
Comfort: Instant Openness + a small amount of Instant Shine, an even tinier amount of Turn Up The Heat, maybe a little A314 or something based on MX102 through MX105. Optional Instant Honesty
The Shine would keep it buzzy, non-boring.
The small amount of Turn Up The Heat would help prevent friendism
A314 would add comfort, and position you as a classical man ( DHV ). I think the key would be using not too much. Maybe even less than 1 drop or 1 spray of MX102 is ideal. Our own Thomas Lavoie does something like this.
Instant Honesty would make her feel like she’s known you forever. A true comfort accelerator (but maybe too comfortable in high amounts?). (I’ve gotten a lot of feedback saying that A314 and Honesty are actually killer for mystery’s C3)
Seduction: Turn Up The Heat + TAL + P79. Optional: A little Shine and/or Instant Openness
The Turn Up The Heat would add the sexual spark
The P79 would make 'em wanna do something about it, and reduce LMR
The TAL (https://pheromonelabs.com/) would make women aggressive and direct (chime in here, Taoist Biker and others!) and also reduce **LMR (Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction).**
What do you guys think?"
TaoistBiker (November 4, 2006):
"I tie attraction and comfort together and use interaction to phase shift.
I play with the MX series mixes, but don’t usually apply anything else with them because I want to see their effects untainted. If I do add something, it is Instant Shine &/or TAF.
A314 + Instant Shine + Instant Honesty (my “base” mix) and sometimes add some TAL + TAH + none + P79 mix (when I know there will be lots of women)
I always have Come Talk To Me Mix 2 and some light none or none mix available to amp up the interaction in case things might get interesting in the field. It’s fun to watch the interaction with a woman change as you very gradually a little more none or **P79 (https://pheromonelabs.com/)/TAL over the course of an evening - just keep the dosages really low and take your time. They might get a little squirmy and at some point a little agressive. 
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My seduction mixes tend to be targeted; but these mixes are usually high in a-Androstenol, moderate in none, and have some other spices like **TAA (Molecule A – Carefree Youthful Uplifting Pheromone - Pheromone Labs), P79 (https://pheromonelabs.com/) & **TAL (https://pheromonelabs.com/). I let my mood drive the concentrations of the last three and I prefer them unscented; and will add whatever sexy scent calls to me when I am working on the mix. And I change these combos up regularly to keep things interesting."
I love this post. Props to Steve-O and Mark for their efforts. I have two questions regarding the magical ICM 0.25.1a mix. How many mcgs of the various compounds are you guys wearing at any given time (not per spray)? Also, for anyone who might know, how many mcgs of -none are in a spray of TUTH? I’d like to know for purposes of my own experimentation. Thanks!
There are 2.5mcg/s of Androstenone in TUTH 1X, and 5mcg’s in the 2X version.
As to mcg’s total worn of Steveo’s ICM 0.25.1a mix, I have been wearing 12 sprays, which is approximately 22.5mcg’s of Androstenone. The rest should be easy enough for you to figure out from there.
Do you regularly wear that much -none, or do you find that the other ingredients offer a powerful buffer effect?
I regularly wear 15 to 20mcg’s of None, with no ill effects. I am 45 years old though and my natural producton is a lot less than if I were in my 20’s
malleus, keep in mind that mark-in-dallas’ concentrations are lighter than whats in mine. I use anywhere between 3 and 4 sprays so it would be about 20 mcg of none. I believe the buffering to be exquisite and well compensates for the heavy none.
I am about the same age as Mark-In-Dallas and can get by in about the same range with 'none. But I really need to buffer it and remember to smile.
Interesting. I will soon have all the ingredients to try out the ICM 0.25.1a, but I am a little wary of that much -none. I can OD on just three squirts of TUTH alone, but maybe the buffering in your formula will help me out. In any event, I will first give it a try with your recommended amounts when all my products arrive in the next couple days and let everyone know how it goes. I will adjust if necessary. Thanks for all your research!
crap…I can’t use any of those recipes since they all have p93 in them. p93 does the same thing as mx203 and repels all non-Caucasian women, which makes it pretty much a landmine to use in california.
note that both steveo and mark are both in predominately Caucasian environments so p93 doesn’t present a problem.
Jojo,
I’ve only heard about that effect in MX203, not in P93 alone. It’s perfectly possible that it doesn’t have anything to do with P93 (my theory is that it’s a problem with the fragrance, which for me smells like some chemical stuff). Or is there evidence that it’s indeed P93 causing this repelling effect?
I personally experienced the repelling/ignoring effect with p93 when I tested it.
Another one going off the buying list… 
Maybe just try the mix without P93. It might proof just as effective in your surrounding…
that’ll be excellent if it can still work without the p93.
**Guys r****egarding the non-Caucasian women repelling effect of MX203 (which contains P93), NBully’s recent report seems to say otherwise 
…
My experiences with the sense of smell
NBully79 (January 18, 2008):
"MX203: Effect is much noticeable when indoors and people are not moving
…well that is true for all pheros, but MX203 is effective! Applied 3 sprays in the morning around 9 am and 1 spray around 11 am. In the class at 1 pm every student was just blankly staring at me after the short exam at the begining, normally they would look at the professor and wait for instructions. Made me very self conscious…I even checked my zipper as I noticed many women looking there. Asian girl in lab is also very friendly, and flirty. She was in a bad mood intially and was about to start complaining about a small tiff we had yesterday but immediately changed…probably that P93 at work here!
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My mood is great, also very confident and articulate. Guys are responding well too. Feels a lot like Instant Shine, not surprising since it does contain a lot of TAA. Another Asian lady in my friends lab started conversation in the elevator, normally we will just stand after saying hello. Caught some African women staring as well. Asian guy roommate was also pleasant and friendly. Other Asian friends also responded very smiley and happy. One white woman gave a spontaneous smile, maybe a hit, maybe not. **One asian girl (who had some time back given me good signals initially and later went cold and I found out she had a boyfriend) went DIHL on seeing me!
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It could be a great day mix for Fridays at work, or infact anyday at work."
I purchased everything needed to make all the mix’s steveo mentioned.
I was just wondering how do you make it?
I want to get the best possible mix exactly how everyone else has it before i try it.
So can you plz help me ? i got 2 spare to go bottles and a spare 15ml bottle and one of the 3.5ml pips
This is what i have on this order.
ExperiMone™ Beta Androstenol Spray **Options:**Dosage: 30 mL: 5 mcg/sprayFragrance: No
ExperiMone™ Pheromone TAA **Options:**Dosage: 30 mL: 5 mcg/sprayFragrance: No
Putative 93 **Options:**Dosage: 30 mL: 2.5 mcg/sprayFragrance: Unfragranced
ExperiMone™ Pheromone TAC **Options:**Dosage: 30 mL: 5 mcg/sprayFragrance: No
ExperiMone™ Androstenone Spray **Options:**Dosage: 30 mL: 5 mcg/sprayFragrance: No
Putative 83 **Options:**Dosage: 30 mL: 5 mcg/sprayFragrance: Unfragranced
ExperiMone™ Alpha Androstenol Spray **Options:**Dosage: 30 mL: 5 mcg/sprayFragrance: Unfragranced
MX134 For Women **Options:**Size: 5 mL To Go! Sized bottle
“Instant Female Magic” Female Relaxant for Men
I guess my question is, how do i make up a batch ? whats the best way ? how many mL of what do i put in a 15ml bottle to test?
Can someone help me ? Please? I am confused about all this mcg stuff, if someone has time can they nut out what mcg bottles i have and give me mL messurements to put into the bottle to make up around 10 mL ?
I want to make the first initial mix, ICM 0.25.1a
Excuse me! I live in Dallas, which has a racial makeup very similar to some areas of Los Angeles and other parts of California. The area of Dallas I live in could be compared to the outskirt areas of L.A., specifically the Santa Clarita Valley area, or out toward Upland or Montclair.
SteveO lives in the Memphis area, and in case you haven’t looked lately, Memphis is hardly all Caucasian!
I grew up in L.A., spent nearly every weekend for almost 3 years in Memphis (Overton Square and Beale Street rock and I saw some killer concerts at the Mid South Coliseum) and now live in Dallas, so I’m not making blind observations.
You have larger Asian concentrations throughout California than we do, but each of our areas also have high concentrations of other races.
Hey man, I don’t see P74 in your order. Do you have it? Do you have a spare Androtics 30 ml bottle, if not, then I suggest you use the 5 ml bottle to mix since we know it’s output (0.125 ml/spray). Let me know your P74 concentration and I can help you with mixing.
P74 is an integral factor of the mix.
ohhh no i forgot p74
I guess im going to have to buy it. what mcg should i get?