Wanting to get a sense of how much interest there is in a slow-release oil version of Instant Shine.
Re: Oil of Shine
Something to hold you over.
By the way, is there a concern about Instant Shine and “the dreaded conversion”?
Is conversion more of an issue in oil versus alcohol? Is there a mapping of what converts to what anywhere?
I don’t think TAA is thought to convert to much of anything.
It’s mostly alpha-androstenol which is theorized to to convert to androstenone by way of a) oxidation (catalyzed by what on the skin? metals?), and b) coryneform bacteria on the skin. Much more more likely. (i.e., the bacteria would “eat” the Alpha Androstenol, and excrete the stinkier androstenone)
Our spray products have antibacterial elements compatible with that carrier. They might inhibit bacterial conversion, at least in the short run.
With the oil products, we don’t have the same antibacterial elements, but we do choose essential oils that are know to have antibacterial elements.
Honestly, I don’t see much of what I’d call “conversion” with our products. Even with Spaceland, an extremely HEAVY alpha-androstenol product that doesn’t contain our typical mix of antibacterial elements, I never find myself becoming an unlikable, edgy mass of androstenone over time.
With something like A314, however, I’d say that the evidence is there that my body definitely reacts to create more of it’s own pheromones. My armpit odor get noticably heady when wearing it after a period of abstinence.
Something like that, may, in fact, be a substantial part of what many people have referred to as “conversion”. i.e., they wear something that their own body reacts to, making more their own pheromones in response.
I’m guessing there is no published literature on this phenomenon (though I agree - something like that certainly does seems to happen).
Do you have any thoughts on the mechanism by which this happens? Is it like raising your voice to be heard in a noisy room? (But if so, how is it that pheromone production can be modulated independently of hormone levels). Which mones does this seem to apply to ? (I’m guessing only rone + none).
I’m wondering if there is a threshhold batch size that makes sense for production, and if, for example, you prepare a quantity of 4x strength in oil, can that preparation be easily diluted down to 2x strength?
I would really like to buy IS in a long-diffusion oil. HOT!
I would buy it. Regular or 4x
Michael, Jasmin: What do you think? Is it viable to make an Oil of Shine in single, double and/or quad strength, and what pricepoints would you need to make it worth doing?
I’ll confess, the idea of an “all night long” Shine is very appealing. I can leave my 4ml vial at home (though I probably wouldn’t.)
One drop of A314 + Shine before work? Excellent!
Thanks for everyone’s feedback here. It really helps! 
I’ve been trying to formulate a better strategy for the creation of our oil products, and to better enable us to change diffusion or scent packags to match individual’s preferences. I don’t think my current plan is perfect yet, but it’s a lot better than what we had before.
So, yes, we could do this now. While I prefer to wait as long as possible to “get things right”, I do understand that you don’t want to wait. Life is happening at this very moment, and you just something as good as possible for now.
Now, as far as strength goes, I’d go with 2 - 4 times the dosage per drop, as we deliver in a spray of our “Instant Shine” spray version. (remember, “Instant” in our product names refers to the speed of delivery (which is metered by rate of diffusion) and initial biological response, not the time it takes for full onset effect, which can take in excess of 15 in some cases, provided the target is a responder for a particular molecule at all)
Some people using our straight “TAA” oil have been using up to 5 drops with good results.
5 drops seems like a lot, but you don’t necessarily want to overconcentrate an oil product. I’ve tested this extensively, and more of a lower concentration oil based products just works far better. It’s because you want to maximize surface area, to maximize diffusion. A thin layer of molecules over a heated plane diffuses far better than a thick layer of molecules, all stacked in one spot.
Another idea: Generally, I’m against offering some size bottles or vials because it would break our dosing model. Maybe to offer to cheaper version, we can give you a full size bottle with the normal dropper, but just fill it half way. That way, dosing is still in check, and everyone is still on the same page. It’s just that some people pay less, so they get less. That’s all that changes. Make sense?
I think I would like to reach a sub-$50 price point with the partially filled bottles of the oil versions of our products. Most oil products last an extremely long time, making full size oil products an extremely great value (and more of a near loss than ever to us, since we’ve upgraded synthesis tech yet again). However, the over $50 “buy in” is daunting to many people. $69 to $129 just looks bigger to many people, despite the long term value and all other factors considered.
Also, we have to take into account the fact that some of the hottest areas on earth (where oil products work best), are poorer than than more temperate areas. It’s sort of backwards right now, where products that work well in more affuent areas have a cheaper “buy in” point than the products that work best in less affuent areas.
Ultimately, it’ll be the price point which helps to determine the dosage, as much as people’s preferences. It’s all a fine balancing act.
Count me in too!
2X or 4X I’ll be loving it.
I would prefer the regular 15ml bottles though.The size is just nice.The 10ml bottle for A314 seems abit small to me.
What about production convenience? If you prepare a batch of 4x strength, can you bottle some of it, and then dilute the rest to 2x, bottle some of that, then dilute the rest to 1x?
Or do you have to actually prepare three separate batches?
I would buy double or 4x strength. Actually, recently I’ve been unscrewing the top of my ISx2 and putting one drop under each nostril. It works pretty good for me.
I’m psyched to go full-on. A 4X 10ml bottle would rock.
(I’m able to spread oils thin and “volatile” with a little Hain’s food grade almond oil, right off the shelf. E.g., apply a drop of A314, then a drop or two of almond oil right on top and spread.)
BTW, I’m going to be re-ordering a round lot of glass mixing rods – the tips at each end are smooth bulb shaped, all clear borosilicate (Pyrex-type) glass. They come from a chemical supply house in various lengths; make great cocktail stirrers, reusable, wash in the dishwasher, but also happen to be just right for spreading a valuable pheromone oil around without soaking it up on your fingertip. Cotton swabs soak up too much, so do an artist’s paper coil or the back end of a wooden spoon. You can PM me here if you want me to order a dozen for you as well – we can use Ebay to broker the transaction and handle payment.
Instant Shine Oil’s time is near
Time for song and time for cheer
We’ve been good, but we can’t last
Hurry Michael, hurry fast …
Michael: Any guess of when a page in the store will “get us all home” on this product?
An oil version of shine is a great idea for someone like me who goes on vacation often to the tropics. The heat and the long acting properties of oil can make a nice ‘vacation’ blend. Now what blend could I use to fend off street vendors? Instant Jerk? Is there a ‘I want to be alone’ mix of pheromones?
I was wondering if there was any news about this? I would love to have buy it.
do we have a list somewhere of poster’s reactions of their own pheromone output increasing? do we know of pheromones that definately do this? are there positive/ negative implication of strengthening our output?
i did a search but i wasnt successful getting specific answers (just highlighted words that didnt apply)
i dont know about other women, but i feel sometimes my pheromonal output is higher and im not sure what to attribute it to other than diet.