are any of these ones any good. there really isnt any description on their ad pages. what ones do what? to me, a guy who has never been good with numbers, they all seem like the same. i see p79, p80, p2500. haha its too much for me to comprehend.
what exactly are they. the prices are a little steep so id like to know what they are ahead of time instead of taking a chance getting something that would work for me. thanks all
Not something to consider, to start with. Putatives are molecules that have the potential to be a pheromone. Maybe, maybe not! Not to easy to test, no refunds or exchanges and are not a product to get a handle on mones.
MX are experimental test mixes. They are basically concoctions of molecules we are testing to see about synergy together and how they work. Some work great, others don’t work so great. Again not for the new users to get the best results.
Your best bet is stick to the basics to start.
Steve is right.
The best place to start with using pheromones are the consumer line products that have been tested and used by many people and you have a very good idea of what to look for. You know what you want to do and you know what product to get for that effect. If you are not sure what to get to achieve your intended results, just ask. Hopefully we (as a group) basically answered that question in your intro. If not, please ask in this forum.
Starting with a consumer product actually helps you in a couple of ways. First, you know exactly what you are getting and basically what effects to look for. A lot of the effects of these products are often subtle so if you know IO is supposed to help generate basic chattiness then you know to try to intiate some conversations and look for a lot of motor mouth in the people around you. Second, and I am not saying this is you in particular, but a lot of guys in general are not as socially aware of what is going on around them as women are. So when you are dealing with a “known” product then you can also train yourself to be even more obsercvant in what is happening around you. Finally, it will help you build confidence in the products as you see them working.
This last aspect is also a lot fairer for Androtics. If you start with a Putative that may or may not have some effect or a test mix that no is sure what it will do, then you could see no results and walk away saying “They took my money” which would not be fair to Androtics. But if you start with a consumer item with a known effect, then you will see that Androtics is being straight up with you.
not for nothing,
imagine you begin to use a few of these products and you
not only have alot of success with them,
but you begin to know enough about the mixes you use that
your helpful to other people
just starting out with them.
it may begin to look attractive
to be on the pioneer-end of the pheromone-testing spectrum.
at that point,
placing an order for a putative (P79,P80,Pwhatever)
that may or may not even work
is still very exciting,
because your feed-back on its effectiveness
decides whether its investigated further, used in a mix, and eventually becomming a product here …
or not.
thats it, in a nutshell.
Steve, you really should do up a sticky titled Putatives & MXs … explaining what’s expected, unless you enjoy explaining it everytime someone asks.
This is about the 100000th time, yes?
Or make this a sticky, and fix the subject line.
My 2 cent donation for the day. 
Lot’s of good advice here. I just wanted to stop in and add that Androtics purposely does not tell us what molecules the Putatives represent and what to expect from them. They offer the Putatives and Experimentals, sometimes at or below cost, because they want us to test and report what if any effects we notice.
Offering descriptions would taint many reports and not be as helpful to Androtics. I have seen many a member post threads asking what this molecule or that Putative does.
Maybe it would be a good idea for Androtics to sell some of the Putatives seperately and labeled under different names, with product descriptions, and at a higher cost.