Knowing p74 gives you that “cool guy/boyfriend” feel was thinking about adding some p83 with the idea it acts as an “inhibitor.” Been talking to this girl for weeks now and can see she really likes me and has already given me many signals, calling me babe, touching me, acting nervous at time… etc. Was thinking the p74 makes you seem like the boyfriend so with the p83 would it make someone (her) act out what they feel?
Has anyone tried p74 and p83 together and if so could you share your results?
This is the mix I was thinking
p74 5 mg (2 sprays hair and back of neck) P83 5mg (2 sprays on the wrists)
maybe some IH?
Have great results with IO+p74 just looking to add something a little more
She could get more touchy feely with P83 but once you got to that step will p83 still be useful to you? If anything she may just hold your hand a lot as your gf. I see P83 as something good to draw people in and get attention but you have that already.
If anything TAC could be more fun in the long run. Could help put her at ease and especially help things be more fluid in bed. I find it can be a bit social too. At the stage your at I’d have a bottle of that hanging around.
What sort of budget you working with? Have RU status or aiming for it?
You made a very good point with the p83 which now has me thinking! I think I might just go with the p74 and some IH as I have already got her attention. My budget is 100-125$ and I have never really tried TAC. Sounds as if it could be similar to p83?
Yes IH would be the right for deeper conversations. Just don’t become her confidant and only that. Your behavior and where you steer things dictates where you end up, pheromones is only 10% and sets the stage
TAC puts who your with at ease, its attractive. If your saying this girl gets nervous I think this could help. Especially once in bed, sex is much better, probably because the mind is at ease.
If you’ve been reporting try calling in your order and talk to steve about RU status, makes these advanced things much cheaper.
P83 + p74 is a fantastic social and first date combo, I normally go 1:2, p83 helps the shy girls too open up and be more receptive to Kino and the p74 adds a sense of familiarity and is almost instant rapport, however adding some IS to the mix also helps to keep things light and playful which is what you want on a first date.
This is the dosage I have found optimal for me, your results may differ.
p83 25mcg + p74 40mcg + IS 2 sprays 2x
Second or third date I would sub the IS for 2 sprays IH 2x to add more depth to the conversation.
P74/IH is a favourite of mine - really gets you attention in a very good way.
I generally use around 30mcg P74 and 2 sprays 2x IH.
I have also used P83 alongside this and it does add something - The disinhibiting qualities have helped me into quite a few interesting and rather wild scrapes because of it but I don’t regard it as an essential component.
P74/IH also goes very well with A314 and TUTH or NPA can give it a very potent sexual element.
Ghost, mobocaster… either of you tried TAC? Think it would be useful? Myself personally wouldn’t stay in the getting someones attention stage for long hence what I was thinking..
Im actually seriously putting TAC through its paces at the moment, but Im mainly using it to enhance bedroom action with the GF, It can be used for attraction purposes but on its own to quote JohnnyHard “its too soft” definitely needs a small amount of None to steer it in the right direction. P83 + P74 + TAC makes a great social mix add a spray or two of TUTH though and you got a great “Im good boyfriend material” mix.
Yes - Whilst TAC is a good none moderator/comfort phero, I do find it better to use once I’ve got someone’s attention - A togo of TAC has a permanent place in the cigarette tin of pheros I keep in my inside pocket when out and I tend to apply when I’m headed for more intimate activities.
Agian, I do find it best used in the bedroom with something more horny and a willing partner. Last time I used TAC/IJ/A314 I was sore for a week and found some very interesting photos on one of my cameras!
you can share the photos here if you want… j/k, but sounds like an exciting combo. Do you think it would work outside the bedroom, e.g. in a club? Maybe as TAC/IJ/IG to attract the 20-30yo girls?
TAC is also serious, maybe too serious, without TAC is P74+P83 much more attraction and fun, but the great thing is just the bombastic none buffer effect with TAC and the bedtime action… If you need some none bang, add TAC.
I would also add some anol to P74, it’s much more spectacular.
Well, the ladies this worked best on were 34, 36 and 40 with massive hits from older women as well, so maybe IG might bring the ceiling down a bit.
I’m in two minds on anything involving IJ/A314 - I don’t wear it that often but do get pretty impressive results nearly every time I use it - and that has been with and without TAC (20-50mcg range). Mainly with women in their mid 30s-early 40s.
However, I also have to deal with grief from guys nearly half the time and whilst it may also impress some of the ladies who respond well, I really don’t like fights!
I hate to hijack this thread, but I’m personally trying to get a girl to become more confident in becoming ‘touchy-feely’ with me, and am looking at P74 + P83. Is 30mcg of P74 and 25mcg of P83 sound good? Keep in mind, don’t want negative effect from guys. Also, should I add AMMO or IH? These putatives are so confusing to me. Have a couple (I know I have P93), just haven’t really seen much from them.
And no, you don’t get negative effects from guys, P74 is cool and fun, P83 is sensual sexy and P93 is a positve status booster and mood elevator, they like you better and for the girls you are sexy and boyfriend material.
Your stuff is very insightful. Thanks! I’m changing my order now, getting in some P83 and P93 in exchange for the TAC. What do you think a good strength is for P93?
EDIT: Turns out that P93 is OOS…don’t know for how long. Any substitution suggestions?
You could get P91 at 2.5mcg or P75 at 2.5mcg, that can add some grounding or sexy masculinity to your mix. P75 is a bit more tested but both could use a lot more.
P95 at 5-10mcg is like an exotic Androsterone is you like to go the respect path, or you could get straight Androsterone in neroli with the same concentration.
P102 seems to have some sexy qualities to it as well as some clarity enhancing for thought
If I had to choose from my collection what to keep TAC would be one of the top ones though, the intimate and calming benefits are extraordinary.. at least for me…
All of these are experimental though! You should tell us how they work for you.
It good to have either an Androsterone or Androstenone product as a base to stear your mix. If you have IG or TUTH then you should be ok to use thoes.
Damn…9 sprays?!? I’m going to smell like a French whore…only once have I dosed myself with pheromones (4 yrs. ago - 1st day of school junior yr. in high school) and I remember getting an EXTREMELY depressed feeling w/ a mega ghost effect. NEVER want that again!
j/k, but sounds like an exciting combo. Do you think it would work outside the bedroom, e.g. in a club? Maybe as TAC/IJ/IG to attract the 20-30yo girls?