P74: who has tried the 5mg/spray dose?

so who has tried the 5mg/spray dose? :cool::open_mouth:

Bump…

Anything to report on this PP74 or any of the other putative pheromones…:wink:

Visionary

Last week I took a whiff of all the putatives, from 74-81…

WHEW!

I don’t know which one did what, but for the next few hours afterward I was soul-searching, deeply emotional and everything I felt was amplified and totally intense.

When I was upset I was devastated, and when I was happy I was soaring. :open_mouth:

Now to figure out which one DID that!
Or what combination did that!
Or just.. what happened!

hm, sounds to me like a typical day in the life of an ordinary female. you don’t need pheromones for that range of emotion, just be yourself. :smiley:

what in the world is putative pheromones? is it beta or new?

Rolling my mouse over the word ā€œputativeā€ in this thread brings up a little window which says:

I really hope Estradienol is one of the putatives. Anything that would make men more ā€˜harder, better, more nonchalant’ as per Maiworm’s 1998 study is sure to be a winner. I just hope you guys get the correct molecule this time as MEO-EST does not seem to have the effects described in the study. Either that or Maiworm’s study was a sham…

Visionary

They’re newer than new and more beta than beta. In the world of pheromones, they’re suspects.

When looking for new pheromones, we look for clues like:

  • Structure
  • Human like odor
  • Position in the metabolic chain (end chain is more likely to be a pheromone; many pheromones are akin to hormonal waste to go on to serve a new life as a pheromone once excreted)
  • Prescence in axillary hair (underarm and pubic), skin, urine and/or saliva (all likely areas to emit pheromones)

All putatives have indicated one or more of the above, but are otherwise unproven and unverified from the position of a) whether or not they truly act as a pheromone, and b) what they do pyschologically.

Put another way:
ā€œWelcome to the world of Phase 1 pheromone research!ā€

Hehe. Well, we got the closest available from the world’s top hormone chemist (who has almost 50 years of experience!). It appears to be misspelled in the study.

While her reseach is probably sound, I have serious reserves about researchers who continually and intentionally LOOK for only sex effects.

Why are their minds so dirty? I’m serious!

When will they realize that pheromonal expression is as broad as human expression?

They make too many assumptions.

That’s why I take all of the studies on androstadienone with a grain of salt. Do you see how many claim a mood boost for MEN? You know this is complete bunk. The ā€œmellowingā€ or outright depression effect on men is not just widely known, but easy to show. I can offer TANGIBLE counterproof to the ā€œmood elevating effectsā€ of -dienone on men in about 10 minutes, as can you.

The problem is most researchers have an end goal in mind, and will (consciously or unconsciously) manipulate the research to that aim. They put their blinders on to what the molecules really do, and get what they look for. They’re too invested in a certain result.

I just prefer blasting through many compounds, looking for what they ACTUALLY do. There’s no need to pick compounds out of thin air and ascribe tons of different results to them that they clearly don’t produce.

Reality is my best friend. If I invest in anything, I’ll invest in the ones that really work to produce beneficial results, thank you very much. :slight_smile: But that means being brutally honest with the molecules, and what they do, first and foremost. It means being willing to be wrong, even embracing the capacity to be wrong. It means not becoming overly psychologically or financially invested in a static outcome.

Hi everybody!

My putatives arrived with FedEx Friday, literally 10 minutes before I was due to leave for a nice get-away weekend. So I grabbed out of the box the ā€œsafeā€ ones, and the putatives are homework for this week.

But what I really wanted to suggest/enquire about is:
Would there be any benefit to testing out the putatives alongside with Instant Openness + Instant Honesty?

My theory is that wearing those 2 as a base might make the reactions to the putative more ā€œvisibleā€. I mean, since IO + IH make people talk and talk frankly, wouldn’t that be a good way of finding out what is on their mind while under the influence of the putative?

What do you all think?

Jasmin - Now there’s the scientific test of the week! — ā€œI sniffed them ALLā€ :smiley:

PS I’ll report on the Instant Shine diffuser tomorrow. That thing is powerful!

Michael - would you care to say which ones are safe, at least for testing at work?

Mind my asking which dose you went for? I’m inclined to go for 25 mcg - 50 too much to spend if it doesn’t do anything helpful and smaller doses can require extended periods of exploration and a little serendipity to figure out what might be going on. Of course thats not without risk should it turn out 5mcg is an OD.

Oops, I re-read my post and realize how I wasn’t clear.

By ā€œsafe onesā€ I meant the known ones like IO / IH and the diffuser loaded with Instant Shine. I wasn’t referring to the putatives.

YES. That would be fine.

I’ve used TAF to that capacity, as well. It seems to bring make people’s reactions last longer without closing down, and it certainly expands your senses.

The only thing you WON’T notice is overlap the putatives have with the effects of the alpha-nol, beta-nol, TAF, etc.

hahaha!

Ooooh, do tell!

It’s hard for me to say, especially now that they’re lettered.

At the moment, I’m actually blind to them all. (i.e., I don’t what #s go with what pheromone)

There’s two, that if they are pheromones, would probably have OD characteristics quite like -none. I suppose I should find out which ones those are, so you can be extra cautious with them (they’re also truly interesting molecules that really pique my own interest)

Otherwise, 25mcg-50mcg should be a quick ā€˜sorter’ for the other ones, if you’re after speed.

Yes, please, do tell! What are you basing this speculation on, and what other speculative qualities might they have? Or would that be poisoning the well,so to speak?

I suppose it won’t hurt too much.

They excite me due to their larger than natural presence in the head sweat of men predominantly rated as typical ā€œsexyā€ by women. (the presence in head sweat being a major clue that they may be pheromones)

I’ll find out which two they are on Monday, and let you know. If I don’t post it right away, just bump this thread by asking again.

Well, I"m ā€œchomping at the bitā€! :slight_smile:

So since putative 75 is in the women’s part of the store, that is putative test # 1.

Wish me luck!

I’ve ordered p74-79. So there are two others (p80 & p81)?

-SwingerMD

I’d like to report that I recieved p74-p79 in the mail (this past thursday) along with IH, TAF. Thanks, MHarris and staff :smiley: .

I’ve ordered each putitive is at a concentration of 5mcg per spray. I’m testing each by itself with 4-6 drops of Pheros (essential oil parfum/cologne from LS) as a cover for about 1 week each. So far I have tested p74 this past thursday and saturday at a dance at 60 mcg. The reports are here in my pheroblog: http://swingermd.pheromoneblogs.com/

-SwingerMD

Psh! Yeah right, josef! This was ā€œNormal Retarded Emotional Femaleā€ to the 62454348th power!

** Pheroquirk** Where are you in your deep studies of All Things Putative?

What a brilliant idea, testing putatives alongside IO and IH.

I’d blast a spritz of TAF to my face to super hone my attention to little details and nuances of any of the putatives. Of course, TAF has a tendency to be psychadelic if you use a mess of it, so, thinkinf of past experience with the putatives, I wonder if any of the putatives would amplify the nutso aspects of TAF, or vice versa. :confused:

They should be available soon. We’ll be sure to let you know! :slight_smile:

Pheros is fantastic! It’s one of my top 3 favorite scents, ever. I can swim in a vat of it and hope its creator will make this dream come true for me, haha. :roll_eyes: :smiley:

Woohoo! Great to see you’re putting your blog to good use! So initially your P74 is eliciting a light ā€œboyfriendā€ effect?