What do u think is the reason? the scent - ie game vs FF21? or a different manufacturer?
I have no answer, as of yet, as my testing days are not every day … just when I get in the mood to venture out … disabled diabetec. Still … I haven’t seen anything notable with my other mixes, and haven’t played with it on its OWN as of yet, Coolest of Kats.
Gonna play with 5 mcgs solo all next week with IH X4, which shouldn’t do too much to it, I don’t THINK. 
well I have a 30 ml bottle 
not giving up yet .. but looks like this is another one going the P88 way.
still I luv the deep baritone growl it gives my voice. lasts for a few hours
I just put in order for P75 last night, can’t wait to test it when it comes
Even without reading this before hand, these are almost IDENTICAL effects that it has on me.
I LOVE the sense of inner strength and calm it provides. I wear it solo, and am using it a lot as a base for mixes, because the signature itself is masculine, attractive, and very status friendly.
I currently have a mix that I’ve been using based on K-train’s black fallout mix with a few revisions and additions. The self effects of this mix are absolutely incredible, and the external effect on others is highly positive as well. This mix gives me a very similar A314 + meo-est type feeling… super smooth and confident… pretty much unbreakable/unphasable.
I have more testing to do with this putative solo and in mixes.
This is hands down one of my top 3 pheros (p83 and A1 being the other 2 at the top of the list).
P75 actually does work really well with 10-15mcg of androsterone. I have a mix in which it’s -rone, p75, taa, p86, and a1. And honestly.. it makes me think of A314 in that it’s almost pure alpha and because of the self effects it is SO easy to be congruent with it.
1 question: what were the reactions from women when u wore it ? any wet panties 
since i composited the mix and have been wearing it this week i’ve gotten a LOT of respect hits and a LOT of flirty hits as well.
I was p75, a1, and b-nol last night and my main lady friend came over. she’s highly sexual to begin with so her response factor runs a little different of a curve. she said the only way she’d come over is if she was able to laze in my bed and do homework for awhile which during that time I really didn’t pay much attention to her as I was writing some music.. but we were sitting on the bed together.
After a couple hours of exposure she did start getting more and more frisky… she had stopped studying and we were talking and joking for a few and I gave a couple playful teasing bites on her shoulder and she started to get worked up pretty quick.
I only wish I had more TAC to throw on with that mix. She definitely had some hair raising, body quivering, semi loss of motor control orgasms without it though haha. I can only imagine when my TAC order gets here and I can composite Andrew’s mix what her orgasms will be like. And yes I have tested this and do believe that it helps to intensify orgasms…
I’m definitely sticking with this being one of my absolute top picks ever for a single pheromone.
OK this P75 stuff has my attention. Definitely like the sound of the self effects. Sounds like it might be a good none substitute for initiating four play. Anyone know what the effects are on children? Would be cool to spray some p75 on before I walk in the door when I get home from work and let it stew with my wife until my kids go to bed. Does it last the normal 4 hours or does this one go the distance more?
Honestly.. I’ve been using it as a -none replacement straight out. For me, it has a lot of the same positives including the attraction but it’s got a lot more going for it and I don’t get the -none rage.
I do have a 30ml of -none 2.5 mcg coming soon and I’m excited to test the 2 against each other and see what the full similarities and differences are. My main -none exposure has been with mx’s and IJ/TUTH/Ammo, so I haven’t gotten the singular effects down… but I definitely have a pretty clear understanding of how -none heavy products work with me.
you mean -Enone substitute right? That’s probably because P75 is probably -Anone from my experience. Just a guess based on my experience along with a few others…
Going the P88 way how?
P75 is a standard. It’ll always be around.
P88 and a few others from a now defunct plant in Illinois weren’t standards, but we can have (and in some cases have already made) standards made using the same structure.
P93 is the standard of P88 and won’t go away.
P75 was already a standard, and won’t go away.
I may not be a chemical structure expert, but from the molecule name, molecular weight, and the little Vander Waals 3d visualization, P75 looks like it’s pretty far from AndrostA and AndrostE anything. 
There is also the standard of androstanone our ExperiMone series, and P75 isn’t it.
P75 is most chemically related to P79.
Let me post a gentle but important reminder here… (and feel free to repost this/quote this/sticky this/etc)
If you’re trying to compare your experiences with P75 to something you bought elsewhere, please carefully consider your other source.
Unless that source’s name is Pherin, EROX, Organon Biosciences, Merck, LaCroy Pharmaceuticals, Sigma-Aldrich, Athena Institute, Dr. George Dodd, AromaSciences, James Kohl, or of course, us, I’d seriously think about the nature of your source. Please consider that you may have gotten something else labeled as androstanone.
Most other pheromone companies will tell and sell you just about anything to make a sale, just like most penis extension scams. Aside from a few key companies (that don’t seem to make as much headway as the scammers since we won’t lie our way to success), it’s an industry literally full of convicted felons, sociopaths and plain ol’ nutjobs.
When we started, we had lots of problems with this. Back before we settled on doing the bulk of our business with two of the most legitimate American labs (and settling in extra comfy with one), we were taken a lot, too.
Michael had done some work with a company that manufactured Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw’s formulas (which still kick ass, btw!) They were quite finicky about chemical quality, and he much about the chemical industry and the difference between a good copy of a chemical and a bad one.
Durk & Sandy’s products go over the top quality-wise. They use Vitamin C from Hoffman-LaRoche, amino acids from Anjinomoto, etc. Very expensive suppliers, but that’s why their seemingly innocuous vitamin formulas do things that no one’s else’s do even though the “Ingredients” label is similar.
Look at ingredients in this:
http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01008/Blast.html
Looks “normal”, right? Try some a few times (following the directions, of course), then tell me it’s normal. It’s not normal. 180 degrees from Centrum!
A cheap vitamin C from China or India is completely different than the very clean vitamin C from Hoffman-Laroche or Sandoz.
In Germany, you have to get many vitamins by prescription. This almost makes sense considering that the many of the most quality oriented vitamin suppliers are in Germany and Switzerland. Pharmaceutical grade vitamins have a very pronounced effect compared to what usually gets sold to us in America.
When the Androtics research project started, we didn’t know who all the best suppliers were for the types of chemicals we wanted. It wasn’t as straightforward as it was in nutrition, so we tried a lot. We had to kiss a lot of frogs along the way, and immerse ourselves in due diligence.
To verify that we got what we paid for (and that it was good quality) we’d buy “standards” from one of the well known academic labs, and then send our sample (“sample” is what they call the commercial synthesis) along with a standard (the really pure chemical) to an analytical testing laboratory like InterTek Caleb Brett.
Intertek would then compare the two using HPLC and other analytical methods, and tell us how “pure” our sample was.
Some of the providers put something other than what was sold to us (intentional mislabeling fraud) in bag or bottle. Purity was 0%.
Some shipped authentic, but extremely impure chemicals.
Many suppliers mixed things together, tainting one chemical with another, sort of like how drug dealers “cut coke” with baking soda and other cheap diluents. This should give an idea of what kind of “companies” (more like little crime families) rule the so-called “pheromone industry”.
Since testing cost so much money, and buying lots of bunk chemicals seemed to waste more time and money than anything, we look at the “total cost” of getting a good batch and decided… to hell with it, that’s too much and too much money to just work around fraud and sloth. Instead, we’ll simply pay a premium in the first place and get good stuff from the people who provide the standards!
That’s how to we got to where we are. By seeing how expensive “cheap” could be, and becoming chemical snobs. That allowed us to stop messing around with crap, and actually get down to real work. It also made dosing possible, another Androtics first. You can’t dose impure crap!
Well, I guess you could dose crap… but it’d be awfully messy 
That’s great. What’s been your dosage? Any differences along the dosage curve? (different results at low vs. high dosages)
Jasmin, you never cease to amaze me by how you teach me something new every single day.
If I go just from the bottle I normally wear the 2.5mcg spray. In mixes I have it at 1-2.5mcg. I also have a 12.5mcg to go that i’ve used, but was really drunk and dont remember much of the night haha.
Mostly I stay with the lower numbers because response is pretty solid. Once I get the androstenone in I’ll be able to dilute down to much smaller mcg and work from .5 up in the same increments for each one and record the differences.
P88 vs. P93 - Rough synthesis vs. “perfect” (or what chemists call “standard” synthesis)
Since none of the latest posts on P75 were reporting the sexual attractant a.k.a wet panties result which earlier posters (mid 2009 users) were reporting I was speculating that something on the lines of the above could be the reason. Now that you have said its the standard, I guess its time I went back to testing and try again from 2 mcgs to 0.5 mcgs
What I wrote about above is out of the question for a properly executed standard.
However, one thing that comes to mind is chemical stability. Most of these molecules are very stable. Unusually stable.
Yet if you or other users are seeing the effects change from the same bottle over the course of a year or two, maybe this one of the first may have a definite “shelf life”?
I haven’t read the whole thread yet, so I don’t really have a broad view. Have lots of users been seeing that, or just a few, or even 1? Or is that you’re not seeing the results others have?
There’s always the placebo effect to account for, too. It’d almost be better if we could allow certain posts to the forum to be “blind”, and then would could “unblind” them all at some point. Don’t know if there’s something like that out there in forum land, but that would prevent the type of early collusion that leads to unwanted bias and placebo.
Wow, that’s really great. Sometimes it’s a lower dose that does it.
Also, to address Aghor’s concerns, you’re getting the effects you were talking about before with both older and newer bottles?