Does this mix sound like like it would work? I am a 20 year old guy and am really trying to get hits from women 20-24 range (primarily asian). I was thinking 1 spray 30mcg P83 to neck, 2 Sprays of Summer Ammo to chest, 1 Spray of 2.5mcg P75 between wrists. I might add some IH to the back of the neck as well (maybe 2 sprays). Does that mix sound like it will be efficient and does everything work well together? Of course I will test the mix but I was hoping to get some advice from the more experienced users so I know I am dosing appropriately. Is 2 sprays of summer ammo to much for someone in my age group? I have yet to try P75 (its shipping to me now) but I have been doing my research and have been hearing mixed reviews (thats why I bought such a low dose).
That sounds quite reasonable for someone your age and the age range of your subjects. Summer ammo is particularly well moderated because of the TAA/P130 in the mix. P83 seems to work well at any age at that dose, however I wouldn’t use it unless you are going to have good opportunities to get physically close/initiate kino with your subjects.
Also, if Asians are involved, you may want to consider IG instead of IH as the supplementary phero.
So should I cancel out the p75 from this mix? I heard that it could be effective and not to aggressive because it is not none based (I think I got that right).
How about adding 1 spray of 10 mcg p74 to the mix with p75 to have lighter vibe, and to clarify by asian I meant more along the line middle eastern/indian women.
I would have suggested some IShine, but 2.5 mcg is the ideal order for P75. Apply it, and only it, to a wrist. Test it by yourself and itself first, alone. You must understand what it does. Consider testing only it in a situation where you don’t care about possible negative reactions. P83 can buffer 75 at about 10-20 mcg for up to 4 hours. Below 30 mcg, sexual effects are muted. You want P83 or 1 spray of Shine to the neck. Try your first mix with just 2.5 of p75 with P83 OR Shine (after first testing Shine and 83 individually). You have the option to remove 75 from your wrist with an alcohol pad or packaged wet wipe. Leave out other pheros until you master buffering of 75. Have ample Shine and/or 83 in case added buffering is needed. Prepare to reapply buffers after 3 hours-- P75 lasts up to 6-8 with a radius of 10 ft. when on the neck.
Trying each mone individually sounds like a great idea. Maybe I can find out myu “sweet spot”. I usually do alot of research before attempting anything but everyones body is different I assume the best approach is trial and error.
P83 alone is not the molecule to use if you want to buffer or tame the effects of p75, if anything it makes p75 more overt, aggressive and inappropriate , something like p74 or mx297 is much better suited for counteracting the possible negative reactions sometimes caused by p75.
Apart from the more general advice that it is best to try each phero individually and that you should do so sometime, I don’t see any great reason to leave the P75 out. Especially as it is a good sexual around younger women. The edginess/repellant thing really only kicks-in at higher doses and without social moderation.
Similarly, P83 is difficult to test on its own as it is mainly a secondary mone and its properties often don’t show as well until you use it alongside other mones.
Really? Not saying your wrong. I’ve grown to really like the P83 as a buffer during the day. When I layer it over P75, the scents cancel out. I’m left with a reasonable day mix and hardly any scent. IShine has a little scent to it. That’s the alternate P75 day mix. For me, I can up the P83 and it becomes an anytime combo with P75. I can use Shine, P83 and 75 in different amounts to get effects I want at any time. I just can’t effectively buffer more than about 5 mcg. of 75. The aggression seems to pierce through.
I’ve found that the IH/P74 coupling in a mix is excellent around Indian/Middle Eastern women. Don’t go too high on the P74 in a balanced mix though, the 10-20mcg range should be fine.
There’s a symphony of molecules in the male and female armpit, with androstenone, ANOL and BNOL found in both. These undergo reactions with enzymes and bacteria. There are at least 14 I know of. There’s a biotransformation between 6-hydroxy-androstenone , androstenone , ANOL and androstadienol . The reactions go back and forth. ANOL (and perhaps BNOL) probably do play some role in attraction, although it complements androstenone , and its role is poorly understood. Nevertheless P74 I’m finding appealing, and it will probably be the next putative I test.
My point: I think it would be a mistake to overlook ANOL and BNOL (or putatives chemically related to them–possible substitutes for them). Their role goes beyond being merely talky. If they don’t have a valid evolutionary function in mating, attraction and sex, the alleles to make them would likely have washed out over time. They’re there on the body for a reason, we’re just not clear what it is yet.
I look at these in the context of male supplements, taking into account all I know (and don’t know) about evolutionary biology. There are some truths in this science that will ultimately shake human foundations to their core–like, perhaps the social tragedy of the birth control pill…or the dreadful mess we’ve made of natural skin flora with antibacterial soaps and the quest to smell good. We smell good, and we’re probably paying a price for it, as in less sex and worse relationships. The idea is that ANOL may reduce aggression in women at mid-cycle. “Androstenol thus influences both sexual behavior and the general tendency toward bonding.”
Human Ethology, 2009, page 427.
That’s why I’ll use P75 for the rest of my life, always in a quest for the perfect buffers. I will never go back to the path before it’s use.
SO what is the final consensus? .. I just ordered p83 (It never worked for me in akuto because of the scent so I ordered neroli.. I’m giving that a shot with all the hype I’ve heard about it before I throw in the towel on this putative).
Does IS p75 P83 work? How about IS AMMO p83? And can you get any results from p83 in non sexual environments at lower doses than 30 mcg? I was wondering if anyone had any results from 10 mcg?
Well I intend to wear IS + Ammo + 30mcg P83 to a nightclub as a pickup mix, and also IH for making a connection
From my research i decided to use P83 at 25mcg+
I have a 30mcg/spray bottle of P83 and a 15mcg/spray bottle of P83 so I can do one spray at 30mcg, or two sprays to different parts of me for 30mcg, or I can do 45mcg
From my research I dont have any current plans to use above 45mcg
Strange p74 and I turn into a woman’s best friend and act silly and wimpy, mx297 and I’m still the best friend.
I’ve had fantastic results with IS p75 though edgy at first on me. I’ve ordered a batch of neroli p83 and will test it with p75 like monemadedoit suggests and in an environment where I don’t care about the results and report back!
MONEMADEDOIT: A question for you. You recommend the guy tries p83 and p75 first to isolate his reactions and find his sweet spot. After this is done would you still recommend the summer ammo as the thread suggests? So then we have p75 2.5 mcg p83 10-30 mcg Summer ammo 1-2 sprays… Would this now be a killer mix for caucasion women 20-25? And secondly I’m over 35 should I add in a shot of tuth in there too?
Tuth makes me feel more confident and more like a man but I find when I go to the restaurants its the phillipine woman and dark skin women that approach me instead of my crush who is white. I have more confidence with tuth so I approach her later when I see her and talk to her but she doesn’t approach me . So its a catch 22. I would like the confidence AND her to approach me. I wore Summer ammo 2 sprays and p75 in daytime, then evening wore 1 spray tuth and headed out to the restaurant..
She was smiling when i greeted her but conversation was short as she was busy (as usual).. I hesitate to ask her on a date right away as she has flaked before.. I am taking my time with her as I will keep seeing more and more of her over the next month or two.
I just want to get more into her mind but without going into LJBF land. So I need to stay out of that territory. Would you recommend the 1 spray tuth or should I leave it out?
10-20mcg P83 alongside a social mix should suit you fine - but don’t expect very sexual hits. Its more a fun/friendly/touchy feel. Its when none or other more daunting/aggressive mones are used that the useful dose range rises dramatically.
I recommend the 30 mL of P75. Use it in any mix versus 2.5 mcg of NONE as a NONE substitute. P83 is used in increments of 10 mcg. for buffering. Amounts below 30 mcg. are not sexual. I have AMMO Regular and use it for my NONE. I use it because I have it. In the future, I will probably use straight TUTH for my own mixes. I use the consumer line ISHine, IO and IH.
Here is your kit: P75 2.5 mcg, 12.5 mcg 5 mL P83, TUTH, IShine, IO and IH. The TUTH or P75 is/are your base ingredients and the rest steer and buffer. You dose and use P75 just as you would NONE, but without the pee smell or the need for heavy cover scent.
