Hi everyone, I’m new to pheromones. I had been recommended Putative P83. Would some be able to tell me more about the product, including recommended fragrance.
I’m going to order within the next few days and I have a good idea how I want to start. Ammo and Instant Shine. I just need to chose between TUTH or P83.
So with that being said can someone tell me more about both TUTH and P83? If you were to have both product, which product would you use and for what occasion.
There is no choice between TUTH and P83 - vastly different products!
Hi moneyton,
Pay no attention to hanky’s recommendation of p83. It is a very good item to have in your products, but it is best to stick with the instant line before you dabble into more “advanced” pheromone products.
I took the liberty of searching p83 for you. You can fish out the threads you want to and learn more about them, but my recommendation is to hold off on p83 for now.
http://www.pheromonetalk.com/search.php?searchid=905229
I would actually argue for P83. It might be a putative, but a well researched and well known one. Obviously, if you must choose between one (for clubbing purposes), then I would go for TUTH. But there is no reason for putting P83 on hold simply because one is new to pheromones, and because it is called a putative.
Except that if someone buys P83 to use as a primary, in the manner of TUTH, Ammo or IS they are very likely to be disappointed bt it.
Well, I never intended to recommend it as a standalone.
Standalone is just what someone asking about a choice between TUTH and P83 suggests to me. Which is why a bit more info from the OP about what they are wanting it for would help a lot. 
Well, he mentioned that he is ordering Ammo and IS, and either TUTH or P83.
Yes that correct. After reading other threads I think I’m going to order TUTH.
Just in case if you were wondering, I found that P83 is a mone enhancer to other mones & mixes. Just my opinion but it acts like a nitrous booster to my Ammo + IS.
P83 does have a sensual side to it but nothing like Tuth. Hope this helps.
P75: Disinhibitor for men. I have to watch myself with this one. This is for guys that can’t approach women. The action molecule.
TAL: Man wearing. Disinhibits women. The women’s P75. The dance floor pheromone. If there’s music, girls usually get the freak on. Whatever they intend to do or say, usually, they do it. Almost no smell, just like P83.
P83: No sexy self FX for me. 60 mcg is nap time, like TAC. 30-40 mcg is like TAL, but with the dirty talk. The X-Rated version of beta nol. “I like guy’s with big penises,” she said. “I’m wearing my special panties today.” Shows them to you. “These t*ts cost me $5,000.” Wants you to touch. “I shaved today down there, but it itches [giggle giggle].” P83 really needs some P75 and -eNone to light the spark. Go easy on these two. Molecule L and 83 really seem to have a narrow dose range that goes from sexually aggressive to Grumpy Alpha Girl in a flash.
Agree 100% - real powerful shit right there!
Wore 2 sprays Summer Ammo, 90 mcg P83, and 2 Sprays Instant Shine (double strength) to a massage therapist. It has been a long 4 months of training and bettering my career that I didnt have much time for myself.
I made an appointment with a local massage therapist close to my house.
She told me to lie face down, and went about a normal massage routine. Consistently asking if the pressure was hard enough. After about 30 minutes she told me to flip over
She started massaging my legs and thighs and grazed right over the boys. (this was all under the towel) She did this for the next few minutes and before you knew it junior was standing at attention. She then removed the towel and proceeded to put her mouth down there. I was thinking there’s massage oil all over it, and you’re putting your mouth on it? That thought lasted for about 5 seconds as I wasn’t about to complain.
After what seemed like a very short time she finished with a happy ending. As she wiped me up she told me “Don’t expect this everytime, You just got lucky that I was very horny today” Know that I did not get charged extra for this. Total with my usual tip was $60.
Now I was thinking was it the mones? or was she just horny that day. I’m going to chalk it up as a combination of both, and the mones had her act on something she normally wouldn’t do.
Summer Ammo with high mcg of P83 seemed to work great for me. I’m debating to use P75 in this mix so I might throw that in next time I see her to see if she would repeat her service.
Well I have been away from these forums for almost a year and a half but I can weigh in my two cents, unless P83 has changed since its inception. I got it right around the time it became super rare and expensive to buy not sure what the availability is now.
P83 For me I have always used it in conjunction with other mones. My most common combination being P83 and Ammo. It is also great with the social mones like IH and IO. I’m not going to say what it does because that should be up to you to decide what it does for you as everyone’s body chemistry is different. But I will say this, that it is still one of my favorite things to use to this day.
TUTH really is for the Club scene if you want some sexy good fun. P83 I would describe as a great way to garner a girl’s interest romantically, in conjunction with your natural chemistry and personalty of course. No mone is going to be magical so don’t expect results without putting work into yourself. At least that is how it worked for me when I used it.
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How old was she? And that is a lot of P83. 
She might have been horny, and the P83 - the whole 90mcg - led to a lack of restraint on her part.
Damn it, can’t wait until I get a new bottle of P83.
She was probably late 30’s eary 40s. I use that much P83 because I noticed a difference when the mcg were that high. This is my second bottle and it’s a 30 mcg/spray bottle.
In my experience P83 alone does not do anything. I had some success mixed with P83 and TUTH, but never this good with Summer Ammo and P83.
Yes, 90mcg can be effective, esp with a sexual but IME, it is also right on the knife edge where effectiveness can drop right-off very suddenly.
And Summer Ammo also has P130 in the mix - Which again is good with none and may have disinhibiting effects all of its own that could compound/complement any P83 effects nicely.
What is the optimal dosage? 30mcg? 60mcg? Something inbetween?
For P83? It varies widely depending on what you pair it with. IME it is less - 15-30mcg around socials but the dose rises as none is introduced and the overtness increases. 30-60mcg would be more in order with sexuals, even up to 80mcg with the likes of IJ-based mixes.
Then once you hit the 90/100mcg range, the effects start to drop-off dramatically. Disinhibition is still there bit they just lose the inclination to do anything with it. Becomes a veg-out mix
Can you explain why you need to use more P83 with a sexual mix than with a social mix? It’s a bit counterintuitve to me. With say 3 sprays Ammo/TUTH (with buffers) you have 7,5 mcg none in the mix; already a fairly strong sexual signal. Wouldn’t a lower dosage of P83 be viable here? Or is the reasoning you need more disnhibition for girls to act on their horny feelings?