I’m considering applying this on with Xist and Glace, although I’m also thinking of just combining it with Chikara.
Target is a Korean 20 yr-old friend (more on the acquaintance side) if that matters.
If you’ve used P83 as a standalone, how much mcg did you use before you notice any responses? Did that amount go lower when you pair it with something else?
I’ve never found any “crush” properties with P83 directly - however, as a secondary in various crush/fallout mixes, it can help that aspect of things along nicely.
The main uses of P83 that I’ve found and enjoyed often are its light disinhibiting properties - in particular, it makes people much more comfortable with your getting physical around them and it also helps them get closer and more physical with you. In short, P83 is one of the best space-closers and kino promoters out there. It won’t moderate overt Androstenone but it will help people be more comfortable with their responses around you.
Don’t use/waste P83 in mixes at times where you don’t stand much chance of getting physical and escalating - Work, class, church, polite company and the like. Save it for after, when things get more determinedly sexual.
Don’t use it as a standalone/primary you will be disappointed - Use your P83 in support of a social, sexy/social or outright sexual mix. Then its properties shine in support of the main mix.
Dose - I’d suggest you get it at around 10mcg per spray, so you can cover a wide dose range. Very roughly (ie test for yourself!), around 30mcg will suit social mixes, 30-50mcg with social-heavy/sexy mixes through to moderately overt sexuals and 50-80mcg with very overt sexual mixes. Over 100mcg will very likely backfire on you as people become disinhibited to the point of disinclination to do anything.
I think it just makes ladies impulsive and out of control… it can go in a sexual direction if you add sexual signals into that mix. Works best if you don’t have any negative history with the girl and / or she doesn’t have too much negative tendencies in general - or just a blank slate and you are still sexy mystery boy to her you will get positive hits. If she’s nursing hurt feelings that she’s assigned to you, ie. the relationship has been restored on the surface but aches remain, this is bad news.
I have gotten a crush effect with BetaNol, despite having both of the above problems in my case.
No, P83 is no comforter and in no way analogous to IO. Its one of the pheros that sits in a niche all its own and its appeal is right across the age ranges, so all is good there.
Other than grossly overusing it, where it flattens the rest of the mix, you should have few problems.
For may anyway P83 seems to act like a nitrous boost to my mone combos, however many others report that P83 is also a disinhibitor. I have used P83 enough to know it’s NOT a crush type molecule.
Booster, I like to think about P83 that way too. I have only limited testing experience with this one, but from what I saw this putative is perfect for speed seduction and ONS when you combine it with some androstenone product. You can skip the rapport phase altogether and go from initial attraction to seduction and closing immediately. Without the rapport phase I doubt the girl will have crushy feelings the day after.
Take note I’m not saying P83 cannot be used for steering in a crushy mix
There’s a statement somewhere that said P83 increases touchiness. Have any of you experienced this effect from P83. Whether it’s paired with a sexual or social, is it that girls want to touch you more, are more comfortable with you touching them, or a combination of both?
I think it’s BOTH that girls are comfortable with YOU touching them & then they are comfy with touching you in return (since it’s also a disinhibitor), girls don’t get uptight or weirded out by a mere masculine touch, in fact they seem to enjoy it, even welcome it, as long as it’s done in a NBD casual offhanded manner, then after that you can escalate your kino w/little to no resistance (again as long as it’s playful, fun, doesnt appear contrived or forced). Not a standalone, pair w/ammo/ih for a sexy amped-up vibe or w/TUTH if things are going decidedly your way! Look for DIHL w/P83 correct mcg dosage & then you KNOW touching is going to be well received
IME a girl in DIHL mode will almost be oblivious to your touching her on a conscious level since her inhibitions are lowered but her dirty mind is working and beginning to control her thoughts, words & deeds. I’ve had girls describe to me how they masturbate to female friendly porn while DIHL, now if you can’t close that chick youre pretty f*****g hopeless!
Not an amplifier, no, although it can provide quite a bit of easement for responses to a primary mix but that’s not the same thing.
Again, P83’s disinhibition/physical engagement properties don’t change much, whatever type of mix you use them with (although the dose needed to get them does), so its not an enhancer in the sense of classic enhancing pheros like P79 which will reflect the properties of a primary mix.
I find that P83 still kicking after 6 hrs and you don’t see much as a standalone.this putative is best with sexual mixes,make the ladies go wild and say funny things.becareful though,i noticed that at high dose it can confuse women and they seem distant.not good my friends.40mcg is all I need
My best experience w/ P83 was this Thanksgiving - wife started the day in a bad argumentative mood, I hit her with 3 drops A314 and 10 mcg TAC, and half-spray of Ammo when I confronted her and she backed down and softened. Then I introduced 25 mcg P83 and she was giving me playfull kisses, ass-pinching etc. This was the only time I used P83 that she didn’t have a rage of jealousy. Maybe it was the TAC? Oh, wait there was one more time I did TAC and P83 along with a list of other things at a party basically all the products I had - that was all positive reactions, but I ran out of TAC after that so I haven’t done that combo otherwise.
I rarely go to bars, but I went to got lunch at a bar in Dupont a month back, wearing 4 drops A314, 1 spray TUTH, and 25mcg P83… a relatively attractive woman started a conversation with me of her own accord, and was hitting on me for an extended period of time. She got jealous when she noticed my ring.
I always get a jealousy reaction with P83, even with strangers, and that’s always where things go south.
The jealousy reaction my wife gets from P83 is legendary and kills any chance of progression, but then her fears are well-founded.
Now that I’m looking back, I didn’t get that jealousy rage from anyone the two times I put TAC in the combo.
This is why journals are so useful!
Any of you guys noticed self-effects with this one? Or disinhibition from men?
Tested it solo now a couple of times and also with attraction mixes. Doesn’t seem to effect me or other men at all. Not inclined to touch other people more; neither do I feel like I’m losing control while talking (like I sometimes have with IH).
With Mx297 I do get buddy buddy touching from men.
P83 seems to work mostly on women, which I consider a good thing
I haven’t tried it on men solo, but combining P75 5 mcg, P83 25 mcg, and A314 2 drops, I had a group velcro effect with about 5 other guys following a social event at work for about an hour or so. Nobody was going to leave before I left, despite a boss that came by a few times tapping his watch. And I wasn’t being particularly interesting or entertaining. I just somehow had them all captivated. It was very strange to me. I haven’t gotten this without adding the P83 in.
Disinhibition from men with P83 in status, professional and status/sexual mixes, yes - prominently. Less so with lighter more social mixes.
MX297 gets good-buddy/backslapper responses too but of a more lighthearted kind, with or without P83 - in fact I would not be surprised to find P83 is part of the formula as adding P83 does less to this one compared to other socials.
But yes, apart from the “hand grenade” mix of IJ/A314/P83 around men, the most obvious responses are from women. Although this may reflect how much more the P83 eases their somewhat greater (generally) psychological inhibition about getting physical.
