P93 a big let down

Sorry I have basically been a ghost on this site for a long time. I just completed about a month of wearing P93 in various work environments and bars . For me this mone was not good at all. It definitely has a feminine aspect to it. I found many girls overlooking me and guys sort of writing me off. It does smell good so I guess if you want to wear a feminizing mone that smells nice this is a good one for you.

i think that one needs to have buffers man?

A lot of people comment that p93 gives off a gay vibe in large doses, but I’ve honestly not experienced this.

For some people it seems to have a very highly attractive quality.

Sorry that you’re on the opposite end of that mang.

By a lot of people, you mean djAndarial he’s the only one that posted that!

Question for the original poster:
P93 @ what concentration and range of sprays applied?

Nope, I posted that too and so did mark-in-dallas.

Its the very reason it is at very low dosages in the ICM mixes :slight_smile:

I find it interesting that you guys all reported the same thing. You are all heavier set, manly men who would be very very far from appearing gay in the first place.

Those closer to being perceived as homosexual, like myself and snoopyace, although we are very very straight had no problems with the P93. Perhaps it could be related to discomfort with being perceived as homosexual?

I would think it would depend on the preferences of those around you. I’ve tried P93 a number of times and found its sorta like the opposite of P75.

To describe it, I would say a soft and caring person. Maybe even a beta male. Some woman might like this if they are sick of an alpha male and or want a teddy bear.

I could imagine if someone tougher looking or more burly were to wear this it would not seem congruent with their image!

Personally when I’ve worn it with my gf who respects alpha males, we have gotten into fights. I would this this is the opposite of what she would be looking for, which could be the case for some other people experiences.

Yes, soft and beta effect and gay people really love the P93 signature also the tiny amount in MX301 and with Anol in MX302 much more. That’s my experiences…

Other people have mentioned this as well.. not just Dj. Some report just the p93 giving off a ‘gay’ vibe and others have mentioned that it’s really tricky using it with -none as well due to this.

MHarris has been quoted as saying that for the reason most guys turn to pheros, p93 in larger doses should do the exact trick.

I personally have had very positive experiences with it in both the mx350 package, on it’s own, and with my own personal mixtures. People do tend to react their own way to the mones so what may be gold for me may be trash for another haha.

Interesting quote from MHarris (citation needed) :slight_smile:
I have always thought that MHarriss is the very very epitome of a beta androstenol individual.

He has a complete and total attentiveness to honesty, loyalty, full disclosure. His amazing depth of complete rapport he creates. I also point to the length of his posts and intense intellect. His seeming reclusiveness and sudden appearances. Perhaps for him P93 is the perfect fit.

This leads me to ask the question of my pheromone use, and others… do you use pheromones to complement your personality, or compensate for it?

I think this is a very important question everyone should ask themselves.

One could argue that to compensate for ones personality would be to enhance and or go beyond that what was thought to be their own personal boundaries.

On the other hand, to complement your personality would be enhancing ones own self-actualization.

Either or could be a positive direction really, but in the end being true to yourself brings the greatest benefit.

I used P93 and have found that this gay effect maybe a misreading of a woman reacts to and how a male perceives this reaction.

As i have already written i find it allows you get under a woman’s “looking for sex guy” radar, they feel real comfortable with you and start to open up and tell you stuff they would not normally tell a guy but they would tell a girlfriend, when in love with man and he her or possible a gay guy as he would be sexually non threatening.

What happens when they realise that a man has got under the radar they throw out a masculinity test as he not where they would expect him to be. It is this that i think others are perceiving as gay vibe!

What you need to do is respond in the correct masculine way to the test and then they relax see you as real man but one who they feel close to. These test can be subtle or blatant so you have to be aware they are coming.

Note i find that buffering with P75 is must though, i use ratio of

P75 2.5 mcg
P93 15 mcg

:wink:

Reps and thanks for this post Bubble.

You actually touched on a really interesting aspect that I have definitely seen. I have also seen the p93 have an ‘ownership’ quality that goes hand in hand with what is said about being non-threatening/comfortable/bf type person.

I like the idea of p75 to keep a masculine vibe. Have you considered A314/-rone for this type of effect as well? I know A314 has -none and p93 interacts oddly with -none, but it’s definitely not the focus. I think I may try this one out myself sometime soon here.

Another idea is p106 as it seems to impart a confident and alpha vibe (both internally and with others). This could be a good phero to use with the p93 to keep a masculine/alpha type vibe.

Guess I have some new testing ideas haha. So many tests, so little time, and so much to spend on pheros. Oh well.. it’s fun and worth the money and the time haha.

I could be wrong, believe it or not, but I think snoopyace mentioned he was on the bigger side too.

mark-in-dallas and I both actually had women ask if we were gay when we tested the ICM mixes with higher dosages. That’s not misreading anything, that’s someone straight out asking :wink:

I’ve been testing P93 off and on the last month and can’t say it feels gay, nor do those around me perceive me as gay (or more gay than usual). I was hoping it might give me a little edge around EAst Asian women and as standalone or with my normal work combo (A314/SOE) it did little or nothing. I’m not saying it was planted in the P series as a sugar tab (as a control), but merely the effects were so subtle I couldn’t say WTF.

I must say, without mones, women sometimes ask if I’m bisexual or gay. I’m not offended as usually these women are intensely curious and sexually attracted to me and I’m guessing may have more to do with my lifestyle than my mone signature (well dressed and extremely anal retentive OCD artist type). At least P93 doesn’t increase the gay vibe so far as my wee togo has taken me. Anyway, curious women soon find out I’m a massive perv so it’s a great cover and way to wiggle in. I think my real mone sig and body language are obvious to gay men as they usually leave me alone.

Whatever, lots of hot women are attracted to gay and bisexual men so, if it imparts an over the fence vibe, it ain’t always a bad thing. I’ve certainly ended up in bed with plenty of women whom assumed I was gay at first. They tend to put their bitch shield down and you can fly off grid.