I have always liked p93 in the 25 mcg range. My LTR responds well to it.
I have always thought that P93 smelled a lot like Instant Female Magic, but very weak and the odor disappears quickly. I’ve never had a bad response to it until an intentional OD:
I found a to-go bottle in my chemistry set for 100 mcgs/spray and remembered what I wanted to do with it. I put 700 mcgs on my forearms and headed down to Watering hole N at 7:30pm to see the effect. (I have had as much as 100 on without much in the way of negative effects)
I planned to stay till 2:00am closing, but this was like spraying my chest 3x with Instant Female Magic - very similar if not the same odor. Over a period of about 1/2 hour I had a headache and was horribly depressed.
When I use IFM, I spray it on my lower pant leg trying to avoid the negative effects (by getting it farther away from me).
I could not handle it anymore. I was out of there by 9:30, went home, showered and went to bed.
Next morning I get up around 7am, shower and go to breakfast. While at breakfast, the waitresses are really friendly - a little more talkative and cheerful than usual. My thoughts drift off to Memorial Day and family and WTF is this tearing up crybaby tear jerking behavior? Wipe your eye you Worthless Wimp! Good grief I am really depressed. I sniff my forearm and sure enough – I didn’t get it all off.
When I got home I took another hotter shower and scrubbed some more. Then I headed for the bottle of P103 and sprayed 25mcgs to my upper chest. I was starting to feel some relief after about 20 minutes. Then for added grins I had a spray of Spaceland. I was recovered by 10:00.
P93 is a popular molecule and I’m just wondering - Is P93 also a good replacement for Androstadienone? More effective at a much lower dose?
Ladies – does P93 help with PMS like IFM was supposed to do?
Hhmmm… I quite like P93 but I’ve only ever used in work mixes. I find it a fab addition to TAF for focus/concentration and motivation etc. I do get a sense of calm and I feel content, but it’s more of a my mind being calm & organised promoting a feeling of wanting to get things done efficiently but not in a rush type sensation.
I’ve never used IFM as I don’t have a problem with PMS, but I have used various phero’s that help calm stress and reduce anxiety. I wouldn’t have tought of using P93 for that though, but that’s just my own experience.
Maybe some other ladies who have actually used both P93 and IFM can give you a better answer.
P93 smells more like Beta Androstenol (stinky feet) than anything else to me, though a bit milder.
I’ve never heard of anyone saying that P93 is in any way similar to Androstadienone, and I don’t remember where on the metabolic chain Beta Androstenol lies in regards to Androstadienone.
Alpha Androstenol, P96, and Androstenone have nearly the same stench-like smell to me. I’m assuming Androstedienone has a similar smell. I don’t think you can qualify a pheromone or its potential effects solely based on smell. And this is especially true since the same substances may smell very different to different individuals, and the quality of the smell may differ over time.
But I think the problem you had is more about overdose than what the pheromone would do at a physiologic dose. 700 mcg is so far above what any normal person would produce it’s mind boggling to me that you would try this much. (But thanks for the mega-test!)
Remember, people produce and release pheromonesnormally in the nanogram range, not the microgram range, and 700 micrograms = 700,000 nanograms! At that dose you may have been overdosing everyone around you as well.
And when you OD you upset the balance of neurotransmitters in your brain. Your follow-on depression and emotionalism could likely be attributed to that.
P93, in my limited experience, is motivational and harmonizing in that it recruits others to help. But I haven’t seen any emotional uplifting qualities with it, except those associated with feeling useful and part of a team.
I agree with Diane, Man thats alot of P93, what were you thinking LOL
I dont feel P93 is anything like A1 either. I have been testing it these past two weeks (report to come) and I find it motivational as well. It dosnt really energize me but sort of gives me a kick in the butt to get things done.
I use around 30 MCG of P93, more then that didnt improve the effects for me.
Diane how much do you generally use ?
I really like the smell of mine. I dont get stinky feet but I dont get that from Bnol either just anol. Everyone perceives it different scent wise.
From all the data I have from testing no it dosnt work like A1 for PMS. It does have the ease and harmony part down though. I dont really get PMS so I cant give my personal experience on that though.
I usually use around 25.0 mcg of P93. What I get from it is a kind of thrill to get going doing something specific, with thought patterns that are more specifically organizational than is normal for me. The motivation itself is mild, and I get no energy rushes to get stuff done. It is more of a mental motivation rather than physical. P93’s motivation is easy to resist, since it is just mental, and for me the effects tend to wear off pretty rapidly.
For physical motivation I stick to P90 at 10-12.5 mcg with a touch of TAF. The motivation I get from P90 is much harder to resist since it is physical and it really demands that you get moving and doing. P90’s effects for me last a pretty long time, with a kind of gradual wear off. One application can last for up to 12 hours.
Both P93 and P90 I find have a sort of happy feel to them, but these are really very specific “happy to be doing” kinds of feelings. These are not the same as the calming and contented, or giddy feelings I get from some of the other pheromones.
Using both P90 and P93 together is a trip. You want to do both the large and the smaller, more detailed jobs. And organizing as you go is nearly effortless. But when I wear these together I do have to reapply P93 every once in a while or I end up losing that organizing capability.
Not a lady here but I may have to chime in
Yes like the ladies have said, I find P93 quite different to IFM. P93 does indeed have some kind of consistent strong ‘task-focus’ properties on both sexes even at 5 mcg (to the point that it makes people less interested in starting a chat).
It seems to be well liked by some women at work (they smile more at me when I have it on - ‘smiles out of nowhere’ which are somewhat reminiscent of good IFM hits). However I don’t think it quite measures up to IFM’s comfort increasing effect on women. Though I have read a few reports of P93 helping some women through a tough time/day (more resilient to stress perhaps?).
Interestingly both P93 and IFM make me more contemplative/introspective which usually makes me somewhat depressed. P93 isn’t as bad as IFM in that department but there is definitely something about it that doesn’t make me jump for joy !
Diane have you found much social effects from P90? I followed examine’s example (after some inconclusive results with P90 alone and added to other products) and used it (like only 10 mcg) with P79 (12.5 mcg) a few times this week. Anyway there was a definite strong positive social effect similar to what examine described - kind of like you were having a casual drink with someone. Sharing info with people in a cool, fun way - kind of like Beta-Nol but with less deep rapport and less emotional intensity. More attitude than with Beta-Nol.
Interesting that you get a lot out of P90 with another intensifier (TAF) - i will have to try the two (or even P90 + P79 + TAF).
No, I don’t get any social effects with P90. During times when I’ve worn it and had to socialize, it was very difficult to override the desire to get stuff done. All I really wanted to do was work on what I was working on, and definitely not stop and chitchat or socialize.
I’m not sure if that would be different without wearing TAF, since the only times I’ve worn P90 around others I was also wearing TAF.
I’ve been thinking about this question a bit, what would be a good substitute for Androstadienone or IFM…
And for me about the only thing that brings me right out of PMS is AndrosteRone. I just open the lid and take a few huffs and I’m blissing out, very sweetly. To me unscented it smells like caramel coffee with a dash of vanilla, and that is kinda the feel I get from it… smooth, warm, and sweet.
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