Paradox's paradoxes-The Ravings of an Alchemist

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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Report on P80

The Story: I ordered some TAC because I wanted to see if it did or did not have any attraction qualities. You would think that a molecule reported to give women deeper stronger orgasms would be doing something to cause that to happen. I wanted to find out what it was doing exactly.

I requested some P75 because I wanted to test various dosages and test anone to enone ratios.

I checked my order a day later and sure enough there was a code on there for P75. How cool was that. I thought to myself that THIS is the reason that I love ordering from Androtics.

So I get my package and everything is wrapped tightly and securely.
I’m from the old school so I expected a slight wetness (Instant Shine?) to be on the outside of my bubble wrapped vials.

I open everything up to find a 3/4 full 5ml bottle of TAC (I thought that these were machine filled?) and a 5ml bottle of P80.

Slightly disappointed, I decide to test the P80 because it’s a new molecule for me that I’ve never tested.

I can’t even be mad at Androtics because they have given me so many goodies in the past.

P80
Well after only 2 days of testing I think that I figured P80 out and its secret identity. First I’ll explain what P80 is doing:

I tested P80 at (1) 5mcg spray for the day.

P80 is definitely an Alpha molecule. P80 commands respect. P80 is super similar to Androsterone. P80 gives off a leader vibe without being pushy. There is no intimidation with P80. I would call it “Leader on the throne”.

P80 is sedating and there is some sort of time dilation going on here. It definitely messes with time perception. Not radically but yeah…1 hour can feel like 3 hours.

I believe that P80 is Alpha THDOC A.K.A. ALLOtetrahydroxycorticosterone (Allo-THDOC). I say this because at the end of the day yesterday I crashed hard. I went to bed 2 hours early. I never go to bed that early. I only crash like that after wearing Instant Shine or Taboo (made by another pheromone Vendor).

I learned that ALLOtetrahydroxycorticosterone (Allo-THDOC) gives me a hard crash by testing Taboo for 4 weeks. So really I just put the clues together.

Of course I could be wrong about P80?s identity. It’s guesswork on my part. Only Androtics knows the true identity of P80.

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More putative experiments

So, I finally got a good chunk of time.

I had some 5ml sprayers so I dissolved four new putatives to test. So far I have discovered two new putatives and am looking forward to testing these four.

I am wearing the first one today at 2 sprays but so far it’s not giving me much of anything.

One of the other pheromone Vendors said they will be sending me stuff to test.

How cool is that!

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Testing new putatives

So the first putative I tested was terriable. I don’t know what happened but there seemed to be a dark raincloud hovering around me all day. I was also irritated. Not wearing that one again. Probably the dosage was too high.

In any case, I’m switching to testing putative #2 in this series of four. I put on #2 last night before going to bed. I had a vivid dream. I also slept well.

I am wearing it today and it has a relaxing/calming effect. Seems interesting but it needs further testing.

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Any P-numbers or are they under embargo?

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Hey seeker these are different substances that I am dissolving in PA and testing myself for phermonal properties.

I am giving them names VL1, VL2…ect myself to protect their value. As of now no one knows what VL1 and VL2 are.

I have not named the new test putatives because I don’t want to waste names. As I discover a new working putative I will give it the next name in the series.

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Test #3

So today I am testing the third dissolved putative in this set. It seems to have some potential.

I have noticed some space reducing. Definitely noticed some kind of reaction from women. I’m not sure yet but it seems to be doing something…piquing their interest maybe…

That is one problem with blow by blow testing. The pic is fuzzy at first then as you continue to test behavioral patterns emerge.

Dosage was 2 sprays refreshed by 2 more sprays 2 hours after the initial application.

So far there are no real self effects though…I do notice myself focusing on 1 task at a time rather than my usual multi tasking mindset. Could be unrelated to the putative though…

Thinking about it now…this putative could be some sort of focuser!

How cool would that be!

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More testing

Ok well, again I had some time this weekend so I dissolved 3 new putatives to test.

I labeled the bottles and filtered one for testing today. I’m pretty sure that if I keep trying I’ll hit the jackpot again like I did with VL1 and VL2.

I’m not loosing track of what I’ve tested so far but if I continue testing like this I’m going to need a spreadsheet to keep track of all of the stuff that I’ve tested with the results of the tests.

All tests are being started at 1 part putative and 4 parts PA. That’s the starting point for VL1 so why not start there for everything.

I do have a putative on today and so far I have interesting but inconclusive results. Sensing maybe more chatter. Certainly some sort of spark of interest…

I will continue to test this and perhaps give it a VL code name if it performs well.

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putative trial

There is something to this putative. I just can’t put my finger on it yet. I am wearing it today and it’s just a mystery. I’m not getting bold outward hits but I can’t shake the feeling that it’s doing something. My subconscious must be picking up on subtle reaction cues.

I may need to go up or down in dosage. Right now I am using 2 sprays.

I am eager to test my other 2 dissolving putatives. The tentative plan is to test something else and swing back to try this one again.

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The Limbic system

Just filler. I’m not testing today.

The limbic system (or paleomammalian brain) is a complex set of brain structures located on both sides of the thalamus, right under the cerebrum. It is not a separate system but a collection of structures from the telencephalon, diencephalon, and mesencephalon. It includes the olfactory bulbs, hippocampus, amygdala, anterior thalamic nuclei, fornix, columns of fornix, mammillary body, septum pellucidum, habenular commissure, cingulate gyrus, parahippocampal gyrus, limbic cortex, and limbic midbrain areas.

The limbic system supports a variety of functions including epinephrine flow, emotion, behavior, motivation, long-term memory, and olfaction. Emotional life is largely housed in the limbic system, and it has a great deal to do with the formation of memories.

Amygdala

Episodic-autobiographical memory (EAM) networks

Another integrative part of the limbic system, the amygdala is involved in many cognitive processes. Like the hippocampus, processes in the amygdala seems to impact memory; however, it is not spatial memory as in the hippocampus but episodic-autobiographical memory (EAM) networks. Markowitsch’s amygdala research shows it encodes, stores, and retrieves EAM memories. To delve deeper into these types of processes by the amygdala, Markowitsch[ and his team provided extensive evidence through investigations that the ?amygdala?s main function is to charge cues so that mnemonic events of a specific emotional significance can be successfully searched within the appropriate neural nets and re-activated.? These cues for emotional events created by the amygdala encompass the EAM networks previously mentioned.
Attentional and emotional processes

Besides memory, the amygdala also seems to be an important brain region involved in attentional and emotional processes. First, to define attention in cognitive terms, attention is the ability to home in on some stimuli while ignoring others. Thus, the amygdala seems to be an important structure in this ability.

Foremost, however, this structure was historically thought to be linked to fear, allowing the individual to take action to rid that fear in some sort. However, as time has gone by, researchers such as Pessoa, generalized this concept with help from evidence of EEG recordings, and concluded that the amygdala helps an organism to define a stimulus and therefore respond accordingly. However, when the amygdala was initially thought to be linked to fear, this gave way for research in the amygdala for emotional processes.

Kheirbek demonstrated research that the amygdala is involved in emotional processes, in particular the ventral hippocampus. He described the ventral hippocampus as having a role in neurogenesis and the creation of adult-born granule cells (GC). These cells not only were a crucial part of neurogenesis and the strengthening of spatial memory and learning in the hippocampus but also appear to be an essential component in the amygdala. A deficit of these cells, as Pessoa (2009) predicted in his studies, would result in low emotional functioning, leading to high retention rate of mental diseases, such as anxiety disorders. (Limbic system - Wikipedia)

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Testing new putatives

Well, it looks like I may have discovered another putative. It’s still too early in the testing to tell but in 2 days of testing I have been opened by women twice.

It is one part putative and 4 parts PA. I dissolved the putative in the PA and strained.

I tested at 4 sprays. I think the 5 ml bottle was leaking or something because it seems like I only got a few apps out of it.

Last night I started dissolving a 10ml batch (two parts putative and 8 parts PA) in a 10 ml bottle and will put it in a 10 ml spray bottle.

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Just finished a 5 week test of another Vendors product. It should be posted on another forum soon.

I am dissolving the putative that I was testing last week. This one had potential. Sometimes I think that I over test because I come to a conclusion while testing, then I test that conclusion to make sure it’s correct.

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I should be getting another putative today. I can’t wait to dissolve it. Now I see why everything is so secretive in the pheromone & scientific community. Money.

People are looking to cash in. the reason a cancer cure has not been found yet is not from trying. It is from not working together.

Scientists don’t want to share information for fear that someone will make money from their hard work.

There are greedy people in the world who just want to exploit others.

I am testing for another vendor. My testing skills have come into demand now that vendors can see how accurate my testing is.

This is Super cool as I am testing products before they come to the mass market.

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A314 worries

Despite some of the usual Androtics double talk I think we can expect a new version of A314.

The problem is in testing. i would love to know who tested Version 31 and 32.

Version 31 was a disastrous mix. Had Androtics tested it properly they could have save themselves thousands of dollars. For those who don’t know, Androtics ended up recalling the revision and possibly dumping the batch.

Version 32 which sold for about 2 years was probably the mildest and weakest Version of A314 produced by Androtics.

A314 is the crowning Jewel of Androtics. When the price went up during the John Sebastion era I didn’t protest because A314 was worth it.

We are anticipating a new release of probably the highest priced pheromone cologne on the market today ($109 for 10ml).

We can only hope that this bottle, this revision will be worth the price.

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Subjective crap

Everybody is a scientist now.

With more and more people recognizing that pheromones do work, the pheromone forums are being flooded with new users.

The early (now veteran) users seemed to make more serious, relevant and accurate observations.

Most of the early users have moved on or just stopped posting. It seems like most early users were college educated and perhaps involved in some sort of professional scientific occupation. In any case they were well educated.

The crowd coming in now seems to be composed of ordinary people (like myself) and curiosity seekers. The problem though is with reporting.

Because of the various levels of experience with women and education levels the quality of the reports an pheromone products effects varies. These variations cause confusion in the forums.

Not only that but on this forum and others there is no definitive database where posters can go to research and learn about putatives.

Even here, to get information on say P112 you have to search the forum then manually sift through 50 or 60 posts (many of which are not relevant) culling together the observations of maybe 7-10 serious users. Earlier this year though, Androtics launched a forum to try and resolve this issue.

Just saying all of this to say that I wish the research were more scientific, I wish the testers/users were more knowledgeable.

I never believe what I see in writing on here. I always assume that the posters are wrong. I have to see it for myself to believe it because on more than one occasion I have proven the whole board wrong.

How does a man with little or no experience with women tell the difference between friendly gestures and sensual ones. How does he know when a touch is only a friendly gesture and when it is something else? He doesn’t. yet he will report back here that he got a “Hit” with PXXX when he actually did not.

There is little or nothing we can do about this type of report.

The best thing any community like this can do is organize a team of good, high quality reporters and rely on their observations for the answers that they need.

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This is the reason why I am also very careful with my reports, and just report it as-is, what happens, what did I notice, and anything that changed in my (normal) behaviour. If for some unknown reason my mental state is not that great, you will see a big deviation in my report vs what everyone else is reporting.

Yes, there is a “reporting user” status, but that seems to apply for those that send in good quality reports to them. Thats how it works, you send in good reports, and they give you a discount. And you need a large userbase to make sure that everything works for a large amount of users. And even then it can be off… I sometimes totally fail with ideas just because they simply don’t work.

The idea of good quality reporters is handy, but the way people report should also be carefully considered. MX297 is widely regarded as a very good phero, yet I have to find a good place to have good success with them. Also the fact that you and I are not the same and we don’t visit the same locations everytime should also be considered too… Its difficult to find a good phero with a good testing team. How to pick those who test your product?

If they are looking for testers, am always willing to help, but I do know there are certain pheromones that I would love to test out, but never have the chance to. I work in an environment where over 70% is male and I don’t see too much ladies of my age… And my girlfriend does not live close so its always a hassle to find a suitable moment to test my sprays out. Most of my reports are self-effects unfortunately, due to lack of female test subjects…

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Great post Seeker. We are on the same wavelength.

As far as MX297, everyone was raving about how great it was and what an attractant it was.

I did several tests in 2010 when it first came out and found that the entire community was wrong about MX297.

Eventually I ended up calling it instant BFF.

The crowd can be wrong.

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Sometimes I feel like when I am talking to posters/users, I am talking to a wall. Some concepts they just don’t get.

It’s like talking to a teenager. They don’t get it until they grow up and become an adult.

Venting again.

I am currently testing products for another Vendor. Nice that my skills as a tester are appreciated.

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Paradox, hang in there. I follow your posts, and hope I can contribute to the forums as well. My experience is from Asia, HK (Hot HK) so I think I can provide some info that useful. I’ll try and do a better job of noting things when they happen.

Good thing is, I know a Hit from a hit :wink:

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Thanks cod3freak. I’m trying to make things better for Vendors and for the community.

I just wish this science would progress faster.

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So after some contemplation my thread A314 is super expensive was moved from the discussion forum to “the lounge forum” which is for off topic material.

I opened a discussion on the price point of A314. Isn’t that relevant.

https://pheromonetalk.com/t/super-expensive-a314/64731

Whatever…

Here it is again:

A314 has been out of stock now for about 3 months. It is Michael Harris’ crowning achievement.

This morning I thought about the price of this pheromone cologne.

A few years ago when I first joined the forum A314 was $59.95. I believe it was John Sebastian who raised the price of A314 to $109.

A314 is about $11 per ml while Creed Aventus is $3 per ml and Creed Royal Mayfair is $4 per ml.

This makes A314 one of the most expensive colognes in the world. It even beats out Ambre Topkapi which is about $610 for a 100 ml bottle ($6 per ml).

The price tag puts A314 behind Annick Goutal’s Eau D’Hadrien which is $1500.00 for a 100 ml bottle ($15 per ml)

Reference: Top 10 Most Expensive Perfumes in the World for Men - TheRichest