I don’t see that the “pick-up” community are tricking girls into anything though.
There is a difference between that and being a manipulator. The latter is fake. The, so called, PUA stuff is always about being honest and showing your intentions right from the first interaction, and it’s totally up to the girl to decide if she is down with that or not. It’s all about doing things, that a lot of girls (I would say especially US, Canada, Europe and Australia) will find attractive if done correctly because it just teaches guys about how to be “smooth” or an actual gentleman.
I see it as the same thing as reading about how to treat people, especially women, better and in a way that even girls would prefer to be treated. Being socially intelligent, I would say
That’s just my whole point of view of “PUA” material btw.
Oh Im not knocking the system…because Im sure it does work, and yeah, Im sure I may have gone for it without realizing it…
But its like you say, its doing things that girls will find attractive if done correctly…its still a system, and I can imagine that if it is done right..a girl wont and shouldnt be able to tell that any techniques are being used at all.
Thats kind of the thing about where I live though…I live in the land of “plastic people” where no one is what they seem. So yeah, especially when out at the club, girls in general dont trust any guy, no matter how genuine they seem. Which sucks, because Ive really thought a guy was interesting, but kinda figure, Im either a “tester” girl or the millionth girl hes said that cute joke to or his goal is just to land my number/land me in bed. Guard up up up!
But thats also why I said day game is probably way better, because my guard isnt up at all in an environment where I dont assume a guy has any intentions like that at all…but thats precisely why thats probably the best time to use those kind of techniques!
Personally, when Im around a guy Im not particularly interested in, Im the most flirtacious, witty, charming and articulate girl in the world…cause I really dont care what the guy thinks of me. But when Im around a guy I think is amaaaaazing! Yeah, I cant even say my name without stuttering, turn into the biggest klutz and say something ridiculously stupid. I think I need a system to help me out lmfao!
Went to chill with my brother and some friends of his at the mall. they weren’t gettin along with me AT ALL man. they were just … DEAD. we met couple other people from another church and they were cool with me and talked for a good 30-40 minutes. it seems that my brother and his friends were left out the convo though.
I really felt like I OD’d to some point with this mix.. too much mx297 & ammo probably.
-1 drop A314 @ sunday church
some girls that i fairly know are sayin hi for the first time in long time… lil two cute girls were annoyin me a lil bit too LOL. its okay i think
bout 5s of IS 2x (togo)…
OMG.. brother and his friends again.. this time it was DIFFERENT. they were laughing for no reason in the first few minutes and they were so happy and we all laughed pretty much the whole night during the movies. It was amazing. I looove you ISHINE again! I have a full togo and 75% of 30ml bottle of double strength (have empty single AND double strength blue bottles + empty togo) and I think I’ll order more too ..
ISHINE is just amazingly underrated.
i’m really looking forward into gettin past my approach anxiety asap!
i found two small ebooks to help that.
carlos xuma (approach anxiety annihilator)
Eric (i posted ebook link before.)
carlos xuma approach women 2 seems to be a good daygame material.
along with street dating advice by Alex Coulson .
so resume:
Day Game & Approach Anxiety: (in that specific order IMO)
Carlos Xuma free Approach Anxiety ebook
1b) Eric free AA ebook
Approach Women 2 by Carlos Xuma (Both day game & approach anxiety, seems like something I would wanna check out)
Sinn Day Game Mastery Program from A to Z (Day Game mostly)
Paul Janka - Daygame Secrets to Meeting Women
Street dating revealed by Alex (more day game I think but really helpful since he shows his approaches and comments on everything he says/does)
That’s the known best daygame material. anyone welcome to add on to the list btw
btw the reason why I added AA books on top of list because seriously, you (and me too dont worry) are wasting time learning about openers, qualification, attraction and closing shit when you can’t even approach in the first place, or may be you can but you aren’t used to it. Some people say they get paralyzed and shake on front of a hottie Gladly, I’m sure that doesn’t apply to me. does that mean I dont have AA? To certain extent yes. Does it mean I can walk up to the hottest girl and hold a convo? Not yet and thus the reason I’m getting “socially calibrated” by reading these free AA simple books.
Its not a hard task to get over “AA” personally but it’s summertime and everyone wanna hang out. tomorow may be ill have time to get on it. hopefully.
God I love me some Shine too man… I was feelin a bit off today and sprayed 3 shots of IS 2X just now…
The difference is day and night! I love that happy feeling I get from it and I’ll laugh at random shit… Really alters my mood for the better and NEVER disappoints.
1 drop a314*+ 1s AMMO FF22*+ 2s IS 2x (from togo applied right before eneterin school).. i had To go for somethin kinda important and all my grade r gunna be there.. MAN DID I FEEL DEPRESSED AND AWKWARD!! holy shit for tha whole day im depressed as hell even when I smoked weed. pure negativity poppin on my head all day.. i have to go tomorow AGAIN -.- ugg i guess its just that i was tryin to hav that mentality of “u btchez are only options” when in someway they were the only ones .. FOR NOW I HOPE AT LEAST i tried to cheer up wit MULTIPLE sprays of IS togo but didnt help for long!*
im rlly startin to think that whole PUA is gettin to me .. not a bad thing if u Ask me.. im just startin not to Aaccept myself till i reach what i wanna reach Nd that iz talk to strangers and sparkin a convo.. every chance feels like a 100% failed attempt.. and that is of coutse cuz i still dun bave the guts to Approach.. man this feels like shit i shulda never did weed so many times after i stopped.. i get so fukin self counscious! y da fuk am i rantin again? i dunno :@
Maybe you need to take a few days off, when i get all bent I just take a few days off and start new. You will be surprised how much of a difference it will make.
Volunteer coordination session: 2x IG + 2x IS 2x to the neck. all from togo.
went there and a couple of girls there.. none are my type though. may be one or two potential targets.. made a small talk with a 10 grader and i thought “wtf… i should stop here shes so young” and then some BIG fat guy showed up that was with her.. so im like next… guys that were there were SOO chills and down to earth people that liked me and befriended me after I initiated the convo of course.. girls were showing DEFINITE signs of interest.. one of my targets (she’s 6.5) flipped her hair & gave me “fuck me” eyes when I Said I was there to get accepted to medical school another small girl was showing interest too but she’s like HB6 tried to open the 6.5 and her friends with a dumb comment and they all just went silent awkwardly.. shit lool. i see why people sayin you gotta PRACTICE talking to people and actually GET REJECTED at first to learn.. Crash & Burn as Alex Coulson says… his whole idea though is actually to get rejected.. lool.. im going to visit US for the first time of my life tomoroww !!! SOOOO EXCITEDD I think we’re going to NY!!! OMG I CANT WAIT
btw later on after the volunteer thing, I went to my graduation at school!!! sprayed 2 more IG and 3x IO and 20 mcg P83. fun fun fun fun fun! P83 seems to add the nice touch to that mix just like Catlord (?) suggested.
all in all nice night and I really can’t wait to visit US!
NYC is an amazing city to visit…I love it there. Im all about the food and theatre though!!
Yeah, I can imagine the learning how to get rejected curve is a hard one, but you know what? I can promise you, it gets easier as you get older, not the getting rejected part lol but that as we all mature, we handle situations in ways that it wont be as awkward. And to be honest, I have changed my mind about a guy because he handled rejection so well…made me take a second look. While a guys who act out with their “your loss!” snideness only confirm to me I made the right choice
Well, my fam decided to spend the 4 nights in wildwood @ New Jersey.!
I caught wifi and that’s how I’m writing this
I loveeeeeeeeeeeee it till now! Cant wait to go to the beach! all my family are super tired from the 11 hour drive.. I can imagine
I know it’s subjective and stupid, but that’s what guys in the “PUA” use to describe a women.. generally based on her looks. Sometimes personality does play a factor in that HB# but often times it doesnt.
And yes, you are right about the rejection part. I still want to actually persue my goal and get more comfy talking to strangers, but OMG! Summer’s here and EVERYONE wanna chill EVERYDAY. I actually don’t have time by myself to just do whatever I want sometimes :o
I’m still on my word and I will make a journal about my “cold approaches” as they call it. Every interaction is going to be noted. With every little details… Toronto girls.. prepare to get EXPOSED
I will start volunterring for about 2-3 days a week when I come back from vacation. I can’t wait till I start that new journal though
I know it’s subjective and stupid, but that’s what guys in the “PUA” use to describe a women.. generally based on her looks. Sometimes personality does play a factor in that HB# but often times it doesnt.
And yes, you are right about the rejection part. I still want to actually persue my goal and get more comfy talking to strangers, but OMG! Summer’s here and EVERYONE wanna chill EVERYDAY. I actually don’t have time by myself to just do whatever I want sometimes :o
I’m still on my word and I will make a journal about my “cold approaches” as they call it. Every interaction is going to be noted. With every little details… Toronto girls.. prepare to get EXPOSED
Hehe…my ex called me a bird all the time. Its just and old time slang…like dame
What is a cold approach? LoL!!! I keep asking all these questions. Its interesting though…really has me wondering if any guys have used any of this on me!!!
Thankyou, M&M. Welcome to the World of Women. Especially without a car, being kept late at work (boss: "you can leave now if you want, just don’t expect the opportunity to arise again, any time soon) being expected to dress flash for the corporate schwang. I have spent hours in transit - literally. At one point, I was leaving my house at 6am to get to a part time job by 10.30am! I then spent another 2 and a half hours traveling to get to my corporate part time job.
I offered to come in for half and hour earlier (!) if they would let me leave ten minutes earlier to catch a bus home and not have to wait by myself, downtown in a dark dodgy area in my ‘flash’ (required) clothes for 45 minutes for the first leg of my home journey. Which still left me waiting for the home bus at a notorious transit center for an hour and 15.
The answer was “no, your safety or time spent outside of work is not our concern”. Yay for corporate.
During that couple of years, I was accosted, grabbed, vented at, moved on, had a belligerent ‘entitled’ guy try to intimidate me, just for breathing in a place I didn’t want to be in the first place. Creeps, crackheads and crazies mostly - but the occasional dude with the worst of intentions as well. Popo? Not even if you’re dying in some areas. So, no. Don’t go anywhere after dark compromised in your awareness. Get licensed and a gun - is what I’m gonna do. And here’s the kicker:
Seattle is WAAAAY safer for a fem alone at night than my home town! But I couldn’t get a firearm there.
and cold approach is when someone approaches another person (usually guy and woman) in a non-socal setting where you aren’t expected to have social mode on. Approaching at club/bars/pub is not cold, since you are expecting to be approached there…
I managed to get wifi while on NJ , and I downloaded:
The session vault
Approach women 2 by carlos xuma
seduction roadmap by Sinn (Jon)
Foundations by RSD
Transformations by RSD
Flawless Natural by RSD
Blueprint decoded by RSD
I watched Foundations (6 of 8 parts) of Foundations RSD… I love Tyler! He’s soo down to earth and just an expert that anyone will love. Recommending this product isnt enough.. seriously it’s a must.. it just wraps up everything about the subject.
I like Tyler but I will follow Carlos Xuma Approach Women 2 program.
I’ve finally posted the new journal and I will just be posting there for now. I like the step by step program better but I’ll watch RSD later FOR SURE.
btw.. some phero reports in NJ:
IS + P83… at a restaurant with parents nd a hot blonde went in a hair twirling an flippin crazy mode a minute later..
The most product I got hits from is A314 oil @ 2 drops. All girls (NJ girls are 8 minimum and up .. soo hot!) gave me eye contactt and lots of times I felt like I’m standing out!
A314 + P91 tried that and not anything to report..
Had Ammo (not sure if a314 too) I think in one italian restaurant and that waitress came to refill the salt and the pepper when they were 95% full HAHAHA
Phero report:
2 drops of a314 to the wrist and rubbed in each side of neck. 5 mcg p74 and 5 mcg p91 to the neck and a shot of double strength IS to the hair.
Wow! having fun all around and respected.. gettin checked out by almost every girl i pass by. i was initially chilling with some friends. later on met with a lot of guys from school, all seem happy to see me and i chilled a bit with some of them. they invited me to smoke and we went to this sketchy place. ended up running from a mall cop
very respected vibe and girl at a restaurant at the mall was smiling and joking with me and tellin stuff that dont have to do anything with my order.. now I actually didnt know how to respond to that because that WAS a first Usually people report these kind of stuff but it never happened to me. btw before she acts all cool with me some cool guy that was ordering before me chattted up with me and we got to know each other and everything and she knew that guy too so I guess that was my social proof? wow solid hit right there!
Non-phero report :
finished watching Foundations by Tyler (RSD) and seriously this guy is just amazing. He doesn’t focus on cannned material. I would say he focuses more on the mentality of the approach and the philosophy behind it. some solid tips are given too .
basic phone game that he shows though. all in all a good starter point for many beginners out there lookin to explore that field. a part of me is tellin me to watch it again to take notes but the other part is tellin me to move to another product of his to watch…
which actually is Transformations.
That’s what im going to watching right now in the meantime Im following the Approach women program 2 by carlos Xuma. I even made a journal to follow this program (in my sig for the link).
Watched first two parts of transformations.. Australian guy that’s talking from RSD. Not bad at all, actually very interesting. Third guy… Ozzie? He’s talking about closing for the next two parts. Ahhh not really what I wanna listen to right now to be honest. Skipped that. Next.. Jeff. He’s talking about feeding your game or something after you get so good with girls. Next is an asian guy who is talking about his experiences I think and same with Tyler who was the one after… Now that got me thinking… In terms of “transformations” I believe foundations served a better purpose at it, where as “Transformations” is a product composed of other people’s personal experience in the game and that is supposed, in a shape or form, help you get “inspired”. I didn’t really like how closing was introduced so quickly in that product.
Personally, when I saw “Transformations” I thought something along the lines of “belief and thought transformations” or “self-transformation tips”. That isn’t the case at all and it seems its just composed of personal experiences overall that could ma be inspire you.
I won’t give up and will keep listening to everything, IN ORDER. May be it will be one of the best products after all
EDIT: Will not watch Ozzie because he even said that he’s assuming that you go out regularly and you can’t close… not quite there yet.
Hey PJ, I just want to say hi, like your journal. If they’re doing it for you - great. Just let me note here, that Ozzie guys are notoriously bad at subtlety and Ozzie girls will THROW themselves at almost any other nationality. Never met an Ozzie guy I had a hard time refusing.
But hey! If a couple in the population finally caught on to the fact that they’re (the population as a generalization) inept and are doing something that works - I’m all for it!
Btw - I read the Transformations as it apparently turned out. As transformations that have happened for certain individuals. I think you’re a hero, dude. If only more people were concerned with how they communicate - girls as well - we’d all be happier.
nd btw just to clarify something, there is a guy called Ozzie from Real Social dynamics company. And yes there was an australian guy too
My mere interest is to figure out social dynamics and why sometimes something works and sometimes it wouldnt. Hopefully after getting better at it, I’m actually looking forward to teach my friends (and everyone really) who is willing to improve this part of their life too. I see it like re-connecting the world together just like Carlos Xuma is saying. Society is creating all this new shit (iPods, bluetooth headsets, etc..) to isolate people from each other. I believe that no-one should feel alone
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Gladly, I’m sure that doesn’t apply to me. does that mean I dont have AA? To certain extent yes. Does it mean I can walk up to the hottest girl and hold a convo? Not yet and thus the reason I’m getting “socially calibrated” by reading these free AA simple books.
i tried to cheer up wit MULTIPLE sprays of IS togo but didnt help for long!*
