I’ve been following your journal for a while and I love your observations, realistic things happening that I can relate to. What other products do you currently own?
Pheromone Products
P74 - 5 mcg/spray
P79 - 12.5 mcg/Spray
P79 - 10 mcg/Spray
P83 - 25 mcg/spray
P93 - 12.5 mcg/spray
TAF 12.5 mcg/spray
TAC 20 mcg/Spray
TAC 25 mcg/Spray
Methoxyestratetraenone - 62.5 mcg/spray
Androstadienone Reagent Grade
NPA
The Edge Unscented
Primal Instinct
Instant Jerk - at least a few bottles
Come Talk to Me
Turn up the Heat
Turn up the Heat - Akuto Scented
Turn up the Heat Double Strength
Ammo 2X - Neroli Scented
Ammo 2X - Game Scented
Ammo F22 Scented
Diluted EOW - Don’t have original bottle any more
Instant Openess - 2X
Instant Openess - 1X
Instant Honesty - 2X
Instant Honesty - 1X
Instant Shine- 1X
Instant Shine -4X
Instant Gentleman
A314
MX301
MX352
MX392
MX393
MX394
MX395
try TAF at 2 sprays with your combo, TAF with Androstenone kinda selects the target for you, with TAF you’ll notice the Androstenone responders a lot more than usual.
TAF - good idea. I’m thinking 12.5 mcg might be enough. Now I’m tempted to throw in 10mcg of P79 as well but that might not be a good idea.
Saturday PI, P83, TAF
Primal Instinct - 2 drops - one under each collar bone
P83 - 50 mcg
TAF - 12.5 mcg
Nothing interesting happened.
I did a bunch of approaches and some seemed to open but none of the women hooked. I think my longest conversation at the bars was around 2 minutes before she ejected.
On the subway ride home 2 girls sat next to me and I struck a conversation with the one closest to me. We got off the same stop and we slowly walked and talked as her friend walked in front of us. I did not really know how to escalate in that situation so eventually we parted ways. She gave me a hug and I kissed her on the cheek. That was it.
Thursday night with 5 mcg androstenone
5 mcg androstenone to chest
Covered with Light Blue
Just went into a bar and grabbed a drink. One girl bumped into me as she put her empty glass on the bar. Later she bumped me as she walked by again. In each case it was too quick for me to react.
A girl appeared next me and ordered a shot for her and her sister. I opened her but she wanted nothing to do with me. Eventually her sister sat next to me and I opened her. I ended up talking to her for over an hour. I used up all my kino moves (arm around her, hand on leg, hold her hand as I talk to her) and she she gave me really good eye contact. But I did not see any signs that she wanted to be kissed. She was really hard to read. A couple time she got up and left so I thought I blew out the interaction with my kino moves but she came back every time and resumed the conversation. Eventually I felt like I was in a holding pattern getting nowhere and I was getting tired. So I said bye, kissed her on the hand, and left.
Since I went to bed late, I’m tired right now. Hope my tiredness does not affect my approaches tonight. Fuck. I should have ejected earlier last night.
PI and MX391
Primal Instinct - 2 drops - one under each collar bone
MX391 - 1 Spray
No makeouts, no hookups.
I still find the MX391 scent overwhelming. I was really tired last night but I probably did a couple dozen approaches. I got a whole spectrum of responses.
I hit on a few of the girls really hard and got no where. Some of the girls seemed a bit uncomfortable but didn’t eject. They kind of went quiet and looked away. I’m wondering if the pheromones were so strong that the girls didn’t really know how to react? Don’t know for sure. I just know I didn’t get any makeouts or kisses but there were a handful of girls who were interested in chatting with me.
Saturday Night PI & P83
Primal Instinct - 2 drops - one under each collar bone
P83 50 mcg
Covered with the Beat
Nothing interesting happened.
I just got home from the meatpacking district. I’m kind of disappointed in the last couple of weekends out. No major hits where the girl totally thought I was hot despite using high octane pheromones. I have had those kind of hits with PI/P83 so it’s not the pheromones. I think something is off about me. I’ve been kind of scatter brained and unfocused the last few weeks. I’ve even been having trouble focusing at work. I think this is carrying over into my approaches.
I did at least a couple dozen approaches today. I’m sure I did over 50 approaches this weekend. Tonight I had a couple of girls willing to talk to me but I blew out the sets trying to escalate. They didn’t think I was hot enough to escalate on them as fast as I did. They were very polite blowouts where it appeared that they thought I was a nice guy and politely rejected me.
PI has been proven for me in the past. I remember that the very first approach I did with PI lead to a makeout. I had a SNL with PI/P83 mid September. The fact that I’ve been striking out the last few weekends must be me, not the pheromones. I think I have to get back into meditation and straighten out my brain. I need my mojo back both at work and out picking up women.
Friday Night PI & P83
Primal Instinct - 2 drops - one under each collar bone
P83 50 mcg
Covered with the Beat
Nothing interesting happened.
I only did a little more than a half dozen approaches. A couple of my approaches initially hooked but when the girl saw that I was no good the interaction ended. Pheromones definitely did their job but I sucked. I really need to open more sets and not be in my head so much.
I see what I’m doing wrong but there is no technique that will fix it. Mentally my game is really off right now. I’m talking to the women but I’m not present - I’m kind of out of it. It could be that I’ve been under pressure at work the last few weeks and it’s carrying over to my cold approach game. Fuck.
Witch Hazel
Wiped application points with Witch Hazel to start with a clean slate tonight. Not sure what pheromones I will wear tonight yet.
Saturday - PI & TUTH
Primal Instinct - 2 drops - one under each collar bone
3 Sprays of TUTH
Covered with the Beat
Did a lot of approaches and most were instant rejections. Had a few nice hits/interactions that made it clear that the pheromones were behaving the way I wanted them to. I was quite polarizing last night. Unable to get any lays or makeouts though.
Friday Night PI and Celery Juice
2 Drops of PI on by ribs
Celery Juice made from an entire package of Trader Joe’s Organic Celery Hearts.
No makeouts or lays
Didn’t do a whole lot of approaching but one girl that I met in line might have liked me. We talked for a little while. A another girl I cold approached was very attracted to me but she turned down my advances. She was visiting friends so there were logistical issues. She enthusiastically exchanged numbers. I also got asked on the street for directions by one girl and another girl approached me for a lite but I don’t smoke.
I kind of feel like things are turning around for me.
Saturday - PI & Celery Juice
2 Drops of Primal Instinct on by ribs
Celery Juice made from an entire package of Trader Joe’s Organic Celery Hearts.
No makeouts or lays.
One girl seemed to be very attracted to me but she was with a group of friends. She was touching my chest and staring at me but when I tried to kiss her, she ejected.
Giving up on night game for a while
I’m going to give up on night game for now. My goal was to become a master seducer that could pick up women easily. It didn’t work out like that.
I did have some degree of success in the field and even had a handful of SNLs in the past few years. But I never developed the seduction skills that I had hoped to develop. I got rejected the vast majority of the time and found very few who ended up deciding to go home with me. But I have no regrets. The women who were into me that I did find made it all worth while. I have some good memories and experiences to look back on. 
I probably won’t be posting for a while. I’m going to be focusing more on health, nutrition, body composition, and things like that for the next few months.
I’ve starting going out to the bars a couple of months ago and I’ve been wearing PI (Pure Androstenone) and P83. Androstenone and P83 are the only molecules I use these days. I basically get close to the overdose level if not over that level. (I have been contemplating adding TAF but I haven’t yet.)
I get many bitchy reactions from women. Most women don’t like the pheromone signature and reject me really quickly. A small percentage of woman absolutely love this pheromone signature and think I am a really hot guy as a result. This is exactly how I want pheromones to work for night game.
I’ve been doing street game sans pheromones and the results have been shitty. Most of the women I approach are nice and friendly but no women have been attracted to me at all. In the last couple of months I’ve done over 100 street approaches and didn’t get anywhere. I’m thinking about using pheromones for street game but I definitely don’t want to use my nightgame mix for that. I’m going to post a question in the main forum and see what people say about this.
I’ve been consistently using 50mcg of P83 with 2 drops of PI over the last year or so. This has gotten me four one night stands where the woman thought I was incredibly hot and wanted to fuck me really badly. But it is very inconsistant. I don’t know if it’s truly just a handful of women who really think I’m hot and fuckable with that pheromone combination or if there are more women who I missed the signals for. Who knows? There could have been dozens of women who wanted to fuck me but I just never found out because I am a social retard sometimes.
Last night I wore my usual P83 with PI and and did a ton of approaches. I got into multiple conversations with women who were eager to talk to me but had no interest in me physically. Also, there were none of the normal Androstenone side affects last night. I had several rejections in a row were the women where incredibly sweet and kind with their rejections (WTF). There was very little bitchiness that you would expect when wearing a high level of Androstenone.
My PI bottle looks about half full. I have been trying to remember to shake the bottle every time I use it. But I’m wondering if there was a higher concentration of Androstenone in the drops when I first got it than in there is now. Does Androstenone float to the top of the bottle? Maybe I’m inadvertently using less Androstenone than I used to.
I think I’m going to switch things up a bit for night game. I’m going to go back to testing the commercial products (Instant Jerk, TUTH, A314) but I’m going to spice them up with PI to see what happens. My quest is to find something more consistent that PI + P83.
Pi, tuth, a314
2 Drops PI on chest
2 Drops of A314 on chest
4 Sprays of TUTH
This combo led to some great initial impressions with women but none of the interactions went anywhere. I didn’t stay out late so I really didn’t get a chance to fully test this.
The best hit was a hot six foot tall woman dancing while I was just standing there. She eventually started dancing right in front of me and at one point while she was right in front of me looked right into my eyes for a few seconds. When she stopped dancing I approached her with my hand on her side making strong eye contact. She initially seemed into me but after about 30 seconds she ejected and walked away. The strength of the pheromones might have put her off or it might have just been me. She was hotter than any women I have ever been with.
The second best hit was two women at the bar. One of them was immediately into me and kept on pressing her breasts into me as we talked. The conversation got boring and they both ejected after several minutes.
Damn dude, that’s a lot of -none! Better scale it back a bit if you plan on lasting longer in conversations. I’m surprised you managed to keep 'em around that long. Unless you’re over 50 and out of shape (and thus producing a very small amount of -enone), I wouldn’t go over 20mcg.
I assume you’re using the old Primal Instinct, correct? I ask because PI has recently been reformulated, now containing very little -none. PXS’s Domination and LAL’s Primitive seem to be your only real alternatives. Just a heads up, in case you’re running low. Wouldn’t want anyone wasting money on what is now essentially snake oil.
Yup, a lot of -none and I wouldn’t have it any other way. When I think of a few years ago before I wore heavy doses on -none in nightclubs I was totally invisible to women. I love overdosing on -none although I don’t have any self affects from it.
I have a bottle of PI that is well over a year old and I know it’s the real deal because I have gotten great hits with it. On another forum I read that there is a lot of counterfeit PI on the market so you may have gotten a fake bottle of it.