Pheromone highlights in bar/club settings

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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Relationship between IJ/NPA and A314

Last night’s pheromone use is worth a post.

Pheromones used
3 Sprays of 1:4 NPA
2 Drops of A314
3 Sprays of IS
25 mcg P83

Last night I was definitely ghosted. The level of female attention I received was like a typical night without pheromones. The night wasn’t bad at all. I just didn’t received any of that female attention that I get with a good pheromone combo. I did one cold approach and it went pretty well. She enjoyed talking to me and was happy I approached but I didn’t sense that she was attracted to me. Of course I’ve had cold approaches like that without wearing pheromones too. Without pheromones I’m a likable guy who is not hot. :slight_smile:

Analysis
I am begining to suspect that there is an strange relationship with A314 and NPA/IJ.

When using A314 with moderate doses of -none (1 Spray of IJ or 2 sprays of TE/NPA) it works absolutely brilliantly. BUT when combining A314 with high doses of -none (2 Sprays of IJ or 3 sprays of NPA) the effectiveness starts to deteriorate.

I’ve experienced this before with IJ and A314. With just 1 spray of IJ with A314 women have thought I was really hot. (I’m decent looking but not hot by any stretch of the imagination.) But when I wore 2 Sprays of IJ with A314 in the past, I was ghosted and the pheromones didn’t work at all.

Same thing with NPA. I’ve gotten really nice hits recently with 4 sprays of NPA alone but when I wore 3 Sprays of NPA with A314, I was ghosted.

Preliminary Conclusion
A314 works great with moderate doses of IJ/NPA/TE. But does not work well with strong doses of IJ/NPA/TE.

As always, more testing is required to confirm these suspicions.

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3 Sprays Akuto Scented TUTH

3 Sprays of Akuto Scented TUTH

This stuff has potential. Just got back from the bars and most were empty but I got a few eye contact IOIs plus one girl who leaned into me so it was a warm approach when I opened her. Good conversation and definite attraction but she had to leave with her friends.

The Akuto scent is very strong. I can still smell it even though I applied it almost 5 hours ago.

I’m definately going to try out the Akuto scented TUTH tomorrow night.

Update: Tried again on Friday night but it really wan’t great. Got some IOIs but there is no point since other pheromone combinations work better.

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Npa + p83

Friday + Saturday Night

2 Sprays of 1:4 NPA Neroli mix and
25 mcg of P83

Got approached 4 times on Saturday in East Village and 1 time on Sunday at a Memorial day party at a nightclub. This mix gets woman’s attention and generates IOIs but no really intense hits at all.

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44 mcg -none by end of the night - some weird effects

Last night I initially went out with the following:
1 Drop A314
1 Spray NPA 1:4
1 Spray of IJ
25 mcg P83

I got drunk and kept spraying TUTH2X on myself through the night
3 Sprays on Neck of TUTH 2X
2 Sprays on Wrists of TUTH 2X

Had one really nice hit early in the night (Before the TUTH) when one hot girl with 4 guys gave me very strong IOS on the dance floor gave me strong IOIs so I made a passing comment to her. She left the guys and started talking to me. She came back to me a few other times but kept returning to the guys. She made it a point to tell me that the guys were just her friends. At one point she wanted me to come out to the dance floor but I didn’t feel like it. Then she said, “How long can you just stand there?” Things went south after I turned down her invitation to dance.

After adding a couple sprays of the TUTH 2X I went to a bar with a dance floor and picked an empty area and just started to enjoy the music. within a couple of minutes I was surrounded my women but I couldn’t tell if they were there my accident of if they were actually drawn to me???

By the end of the night I had all my sprays on me. By the end of the night I had 44mcg of -none on but I didn’t realize it until I calculated it today. All I could smell was the neroli scent.

I wasn’t ghosted but people were acting weird around me. I got some puzzled looks by guys. Several times a women would run up in front of me and just stand there for a few seconds or dance for a few seconds and scurry away.

Several times a group would gravitate towards me. When I’d tap a girl on the shoulder she’d reject my attempt to open her. Yet when I moved to a different area of the dance floor the group would follow me. Really weird? I did this several times when a group would seem to appear next to me, I would move away and they would follow. But when I initiated communication, they would have nothing to do with me. It’s like their subconscious minds were drawn to the artificial pheromone signature but their conscious minds wanted nothing to do with me.

The strangest hit was this blond girl was with a group of four other girls. She runs up to me, hits me in the chest (not hard) and then runs away a few feet and her group hovers near me. I didn’t try to open them because I was had enough rejection for the night. But I moved away a few times and their circle slowly followed me where I moved. Very strange.

No self effects from the high -none dose. When I first started using pheromones -none would increase my awareness of my surroundings. Now it does absolutely nothing for me.

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New Refresher spray

I made a little mix to carry with me into the field.

1 Part Liquid from my 50mcg/spray bottle
3 Parts TUTH (Regular Strength)

1 Spray of this stuff will be 12.5 mcg and of course less than 1 spray wroth of TUTH.

I guess the only purpose of this post is so I can remember what’s in my unmarked togo bottle. I don’t want to write a label for it because it will be in my pocket and I don’t want to explain to anyone why I have ratios marked up on a bottle I’m carrying in my pocket.

Edit: the 50mcg/spray bottle is P83.

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I really enjoy reading your logs. Do you go out on your own?

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When I’m out meeting women or trying to pickup women I’m always solo.

I never try to meet women when I’m out with my friends.

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Mix attracted women of all ages

Pheromones
2 Sprays of 1:4 NPA Neroli mix and
25 mcg of P83
2 Drops of A314
1 Spray of IS-4X

Didn’t get approached at all but strong IOIs from women. Strongly attracted one woman Under 21, one woman in her mid 20s, and one woman in her early 40s.

At one point was talking to a hot short asian girl who was standing there looking up at me with her full attention and couldn’t take her eyes off me. I asked her why she didn’t have a wristband and she told me because she was under 21. All of a sudden I felt self-conscious and felt like I was doing something wrong by talking to a girl who did not yet turn 21. I basically told her that I was too old for her and ejected. :roll_eyes:

As far as the other women I met, I really need to learn to escalate and close more consistently because in a club when a woman is attracted to me and I just engage in normal conversation, she gradually gets bored. Initially she has that intense look of attraction in her eyes as we talk and it fades away as the conversation progresses. (Actually, fades away really fast) Once that look of attraction is gone I know that she will eject shortly.

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NPA & IJ with A314

I’ve been playing with NPA a lot lately and I’m starting to really believe that NPA and Instant Jerk are very different especially regarding how they interact with A314.

My results aren’t scientific because I’ve also been spraying P83 and IS on lately and those products might have skewed the results. I really have to set up some experiments to prove or disprove these suspicions one of they days.

IJ without A314
I tried IJ without A314 when I first started using pheromones and it worked pretty well. But once I discovered how powerful Instant Jerk was with A314 I completely stopped using Instant Jerk without A314.

IJ with A314
This is the combo that turns me into a “hot guy” in the eyes of some women most consistently. More women act like I’m a totally hot guy in a way that I can not reproduce with any other pheromone combination. I get approached occasionally with this combo but not as much as the NPA without A314.

NPA without A314
NPA without A314 is very solid. It definitely attracts some women, generates good IOIs, and causes women to approach me. NPA is the best product for getting women to approach me as long as I don’t use it with A314. Good for IOIs too.

NPA with A314
Women can act like I’m an attractive/desirable guy with this combination but not in the same intense way as with IJ + A314. A314 doesn’t give NPA the big boost that it gives Instant Jerk. The only thing the A314 does when I wear NPA is to prevent women from approaching me. I still get IOIs when I add the A314.

Preliminary Conclusions
Instant Jerk is better with A314
NPA/TE are better without A314

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I’m not sure I understand whats in your mix…

What phero is this?
“1 Part Liquid from my 50mcg/spray bottle”

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That would be a bottle of P83 at 50mcg/spray.

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Pheromones got me past the velvet ropes

In the following post I mentioned that I was denied entry to a bar that is hard to get into for guys.

Last night I wore the following pheromones and went to the exact same bar:
1.5 Sprays Instant Jerk
2 Drops of A314
12.5 mcg of P83

I walk up to the velvet ropes:
Doorman: What party are you here for?
Me: No party
(The doorman pauses for a few seconds looking at me closely)
Doorman: Do you have any friends coming?
Me: No friends.
Doorman: OK, you can come in. Here is a VIP stamp. Enjoy yourself.

The place was already packed. I know from experience that with no pheromones or a heavy dose of social pheromones, I would have been denied entry. The doorman would have said, “Guestlist only.”

Later I was talking to a girl in the back room. She asked me what party I was here with and I said that I wasn’t part of any of the parties. She asked me, “how the hell did you get back here?” I showed her the VIP stamp. She asked me if I had bribed the doorman. :slight_smile:

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haha…nice. …No party…No Friends…sweet.

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quick question what is NPA?

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It stands for new pheromone additive. Basically you mix it with your favorite cologne. Not really meant for use by itself because its super concentrated

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4 Sprays of Instant Jerk

In the past 1 spray of Instant Jerk has worked very well for me. But I had a couple of bad nights last year with 2 sprays of Instant Jerk where I felt totally ghosted and did not have a good time. So I’ve been reluctant to use more than 1.5 sprays. But Catlord17 had good results with 4 sprays so I had to try it for myself.

The mixed worked very well on the dance floor. I was not ghosted at all and had some nice hits. I wonder why 1 and 4 sprays of IJ works well for me but 2 sprays does not. Maybe it was because it worked for Catlord17 so I expected it to work for me. Maybe it was psychosemantic but there way be scientific explanations that I an not aware of. Who knows?

I had approach anxiety most of the night. Well, it really wasn’t approach anxiety because I was not feeling any anxiety. I was relaxed and content. I just didn’t feel like approaching. I think the PUA guru Sinn calls this approach reluctance. The Sinns Of Attraction: Approach Anxiety VS Approach Reluctance

I hung out at one bar and just enjoyed the music for a little while off to the side on the main bar area. With the right pheromone mix I will get approached sometimes when I do this but I did not get approached last night at all. If I want to actually get approached by women when I out, there are much better pheromone combinations than 4 Sprays of Instant Jerk. A few women did look right at me as they walked by so the IJ was having an effect. I wasn’t invisible like I usually am without pheromones.

I tested the 4 sprays of Instant Jerk on the Dance Floor and this is where it really shinned. This is was one of my best nights for IOIs. I picked an empty spot on the dance floor and just started to enjoy the music and move to the music. Within 2 minutes three women brushed up really hard against me as they walked by even though there was plenty of room to walk by. I spent over an hour on the dance floor and women were dragging their friends in front of me and dancing while congressionally glancing at me. Women were leaning back into me. Some women pushed their breasts into me. One girl stood right in front of me and pushed the back of her head into my face when I was pretending that I wasn’t noticing her.

Favorite hit #1
At one point I’m dancing there and this girl pulls her boyfriend right in front of me. She makes physical contact with me as they dance. Then she ends up in a position where her boyfriend is grinding her from behind and she is facing me. She is really close to me and makes really strong eye contact with me which took me by surprise because her boyfriend is there grinding her from behind.

As her boyfriend is grinding her she reaches out, grabs both my shoulders and alters the way I’m dancing with a really flirty look. I instinctively say something into her ear which in retrospect was disrespectful to the boyfriend because his head was right there too.

At this point I back off just a little bit and turn to the side. The boyfriend is still grinding her and she pushes one of her breasts into my arm and it is in constant contact with my arm for several seconds. Then her boyfriend says to her, “let’s go.” He pulls her away. As she is being pulled away, she looks back at me, looks right into my eyes, and waves good bye. I waved back and that was it.

Favorite hit #2
I opened a girl by accident who kept on backing into me and looking right at me every time she did it. We are trying to have a conversation over the loud music and she is staring at me like I cast a spell on her. When she asks my name and can’t hear me over the loud music, I drew my name on her chest. Within 2 minutes we have our arms around each other but her friends pulled her away so I went to another area of the dance floor.

About 1/2 hour later she found me again. I motioned her to come over and she just stood there staring at me like she doesn’t know what to do. I take her hand and pull her into me and she starts to molest me and really feel me up. :slight_smile:

Then we start kissing and she bites my lip. I pull away because I don’t like pain. She bites my neck and pulls the skin with her teeth and I pull away again. She gives me a frustrated look but she continues to feel me up. She also hugs me a lot too.

One of her friends comes over and pulls her away but she breaks away from her friend and comes back into my arms. Her friend pulls her away more forcefully and that was it. I would not have hooked up with her anyway because she was too rough. I don’t like women who inflict pain on me.

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I’ve used instant Jerk a lot (at least 20 times) but never over 2 sprays. 4 sprays actually looks really interesting.

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4 Sprays of Instant Jerk Again

Just got back from the bars again with 4 sprays of Instant Jerk. Definately not the same result as the previous night. Tonight I got the attention of very few women and IOIs were very sparse.

The first definite IOI came from a girl after 2AM at the last bar I went to. I initiated a conversation and started escalating after just a few minutes and she was strongly into me. Eventually she told me she was married and showed me her ring. But we were past the point of no return and started kissing. She didn’t want to kiss in public so she took me into an empty back room and we made out for a few minutes but she started to feel guilty so I suggested we go back to the bar area. We hung out for another half hour and flirted a lot but nothing was going to happen.

If it wasn’t for that last makeout, the night would have been a total failure as far as the pheromones go. But I do think 4 sprays of Instant Jerk is a very powerful mix but it starting to look like it might not be that consistent.

Or maybe I just had too much none buildup. Maybe I can do 4 sprays two days in a row. I don’t know.

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End of Summer Update

Lately, I’ve only used Instant Jerk, TUTH, and A314. I’ve decided that I want to project an edge with my vibe and I really don’t care if that edge puts some people off.

I started using just 1 spray of Instant jerk when I socialize with friends (male & female) and that seems to be working very well. Since my vibe is so soft/invisible to begin with I think the 1 spray of Instant Jerk brings me to the normal range. I haven’t started using A314 when hanging out with friends yet but I’m thinking about using it.

I used 4 sprays of Instant Jerk for a while but it was very hit/miss in bars/clubs. Some nights there were woman who were definitely interested in me and other nights I felt completely ghosted. Due to it’s lack of consistency I no longer use 4 sprays of Instant Jerk unbuffered although I do see myself doing this once very blue moon or so.

Recently I went back to 2 drops of A314 and one spray of Instant Jerk as my base for bars/clubs. There is still no mix that generates IOIs as consistently as this for me. I also supplement with 2-4 sprays of TUTH sometimes. I still haven’t figured out of the TUTH helps or hurts. I get hits with the TUTH and without the TUTH and I haven’t been scientific or methodical enough to figure this out.

I do feel that A314 does create distance between me and others to some degree when I go out. But with A314 I do come across the occasional hot woman who is awestruck by me and acts like I’m out of her league. In reality I’m out of her league and I eventually screw up the situation due to a lack of congruency with the high status vibe I give off with the A314. But I’m going to continue trying to work with my A314/IJ based vibe and see how well I can work with it. I know I’m incongruent with the vibe right now but I hope to change that in the future.

Don Draper of the 1st couple of seasons is the vibe I’m trying to project. I’m trying to obtain that coolness through Insight Meditation. I’m hoping that with enough practice meditating I will be able to consistently wield that demeanor. I think that A314/IJ combined with my natural pheromone signature would be congruent with the Don Draper vibe.

I do plan on doing more experimenting with P83 and TAC to see how well each of these pheromones work with my base of A314/IJ. I have P83 on hand and TAC on order. I’m not sure when I’m gong to get to that.

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Dressed like a Dad

Last night I was lazy with my appearance when I went out. I didn’t style my hair at all and it looked alright but looked like a middle aged dad’s hair. I wore a loose fitting polo shirt and loose fitting jeans that would be typical of what a non-stylish middle aged man would wear. The shoes would have been alright if I had cool jeans and a cool shirt on but there was nothing sharp or special about the shoes. All the articles of clothing were nice and in good shape but there was nothing edgy about them at all.

I wore one of my most consistent pheromone combinations for generating hits:
1 Spray of Instant Jerk
1 Spray of TUTH
2 Drops of A314

Highlights

  • Total number of hits - ZERO
  • No IOIs at all.
  • This was the worst performance of that pheromone combination ever!
  • Did several approaches - none of the women showed any signs of being attracted to me.
  • Women who didn’t like me were nicer and friendlier than usual. Seemed like they felt like they should be polite to me.
  • Some women politely conversed with me for a couple of minutes.
  • One woman seemed to enjoy her conversation with me but she didn’t seem attracted at all.

Seems like you have to dress at least somewhat congruently with edgy mixes and being dressed like a dad doesn’t cut it.

When you are dressed like a dad women are polite and nice to you even if they have no interest in you. I’m guessing that they feel like they should be polite to a guy who reminds them of their dad. The funny thing is one girl told me that I had the same name as her dad although that has nothing to do with this.