Pheromone highlights in bar/club settings

Received Project U.F. Test Pack

I have a project U.F. Test Pack that I’m going to test as scientifically as I can. I haven’t been to the bars in a month so I’m pretty rusty.

Before I start testing the mixes I’m going to wear my baseline pheromone combination for two weekends to establish a baseline. The first weekend will be to just shake off the rust of not being out for a while. The second weekend will be to establish a baseline of results to compare the test mixes to.

For my testing I’m gong to go to the bars alone and do at least 10 cold approaches each night. I’m going to focus mostly on the initial reactions of the women since that’s where pheromones are most beneficial for me.

First Night Back

1 Spray IJ to throat
2 Drops A314 to wrists

I went to a club for the first time in weeks and I wore my baseline pheromone combination that usually performs really well. Last night was a dud.

I started out by hanging out on the dance floor near the edge moving to the music waiting for IOS. I was in view of at least 30 different women but none of them gravitated towards me like they have in the past when I’ve worn this combination. I actually felt kind of invisible. Eventually the dance floor became crowded and it reached a point where I would be unable to tell if a girl was bumping to me on purpose or by accident so I figured that I would leave the dance floor.

Before I left the dance floor one girl moved herself right in front of me a few feet away and gave me very strong eye contact. I was totally not attracted to her and I think she realized it and took off.

I moved near the bar area and waited for women to wander into my general proximity. The club was about 75% guys at this point.

Cold Approach #1
One girl wandered nearby and I tried to strike up a conversation. This was my first cold approach in weeks and it was awkward. She had absolutely no interest at me so it quickly ended.

Cold Approach #2
Another girl wandered nearby and I tapped herself on the shoulder and said, “Hi.” It was crystal clear that she had no interest in me.

Warm Approach #1
A mixed group appeared nearby at the bar. One Eastern European girl from the group moved away from the group briefly towards me and looked right at me. I immediately put my hand on her shoulder and said, “Hi.” She immediately turned her whole body to face me and we chatted a little bit.

The whole interaction went pretty well although it was kind of awkward because I am not smooth. She asked my age several times and I told her (37 years old.) She started getting annoyed because she thought I was playing some soft of game with me and kept on asking what my real age was and why I was keeping my real age secret. She thought I was around 21. :roll_eyes: She was 27 years old.

Anyway, the last time she asked my age and I answered her she turned away in annoyance and another guy started hitting on her. With her back turned I quietly left and went home.

Going Away Gathering

One of my friends in moving across the country so I attended her going away gathering. This was more of a social setting and less of a pickup setting so it’s a completely different ballgame as far as pheromones go. I wore my baseline pheromone combination anyway it it worked out really well.

1 Spray Instant Jerk to throat
2 Drops of A314 to wrists

This is a very subjective measurement but as a whole it seemed like the entire group treated me like I’m higher status than groups normally treat me when I don’t wear pheromones. People made an effort to talk to me as opposed to socializing without pheromones where I’m quite invisible. I got this benefit without any social pheromones at all. I do think that IJ + A314 is a magical combination.

At the first bar there was a modelesque woman who I had never met before. I was introduced to her and we shook hands and that was it. But as our group was walking to another bar I was walking by myself and she started walking next to me at one point. We talked a little bit.

At the next bar she eventually sat next to me and just started chatting with me. We pretty much talked to each other the entire time. The conversation eventually made it’s way to sex and it did feel like there was some sexual tension building between us. If this was a random girl at a bar I would have escalated or made out with her. But I just don’t feel comfortable doing that stuff within a social group. Plus I know one of her friends so it would have been bad if things got awkward. Eventually she and her friend had to go but we exchanged contact information.

Also, I went to the bathroom at one point and as I was working my way through the crowd, one girl started purposefully dancing against me. One the way out of the bathroom her friend stood right in front of me and made some comment I couldn’t remember. We spoke briefly but my mind went blank so I told her that I had to get back to my friends.

Overall last night the pheromones seemed to be working the way they normally do. I don’t know what the hell happened last night where the pheromones didn’t seem to be doing anything.

Fair night with standard mix

Last night I wore my standard mix. Overall it performed alright. Women reacted to me as a whole better than without pheromones. But nothing really awesome happened.

1 Spray Instant Jerk to throat
2 Drops of A314 to wrists
No cover

I spent about a half an hour on the dance floor and I spent the rest of my night doing cold approaches. My cold approaches went alright as a whole. Many of the women opened up and and gave me a shot. I felt like I was giving off a very good first impression although I was awkward conversationally after that.

On the dance floor there was a group of three woman dancing and one of them grabbed my arm and told me to dance with them. So I danced near them but I really didn’t know what to do so the interaction eventually died out.

Notable Approach #1
There was one approach that was interesting. There was a group of four women standing there and I approached the group and said, “Hi guys, what’s up”. The two girls closest to me both gave me an extremely dirty look. The the eyes of one girls in the group lit up and she walked right up to me and introduced herself to me. The other girls went away and they left me with their friend. The interaction started out strong but I stalled out and the interaction died after a couple of minutes. :roll_eyes:

Notable Approach #2
In my previous approach to this one I had been awkward and the two girls totally rejected me hard and were laughing at me. I was a little gun shy but strangely enough the next approach the woman opened right up. She introduced me to her friend and I hit it off with her friend. We exchanged phone numbers and spoke on the phone today.

MX391 - Messed up on the dosage - promising mix

About 1.5 Sprays to stomach - MX391
About 1.75 Sprays to Neck - MX391
No Cover

(Wiped some of it off fairly early in the evening)

My first spray was to the stomach but since it was the bottle’s first spray it wasn’t a full spray. Then I sprayed my throat but I partially missed so to be sure I had enough I sprayed my throat again.

On the subway ride to the bars I could smell the cologne scent from the spray. It was definitely noticeable but and seemed pretty strong but I didn’t think much of it at that point.

It was early in the evening so I went to a dive bar and took a spot next to a middle aged couple. The female in the couple immediately said, “What cologne are you wearing?”. I lied and said, “Green irish tweed.” She said it’s very nice. She paused a few seconds and then said, “You put way too much on!” I agreed with her and said I underestimated the cologne’s strength.

She then started covering her face and started getting melodramatic repeatedly telling me that I had way too much of the cologne on. Her behavior was very bizarre and her boyfriend told her to stop. I told him that’s it’s okay - it’s good to know I had too much cologne on. She continued to react and the boyfriend apologized to me. I said, “All feedback is good feedback” and he said that it was a good way to look at things. The woman dragged him of the bar and that was it.

There were definitely some hot women in this dive bar but I started getting self conscious about the strong cologne scent so I didn’t approach. I left the bar with by beer only half finished and found a grocery store. I bought a bottle of water and a roll of paper towels and I wiped the application on my neck down. I didn’t touch the application on my stomach though. I could still smell it a little after that but I think I got enough of it off so the cologne scent wasn’t obnoxious.

I then went to a club like bar and ordered a beer at the bar. There were more guys than girls here and most of the people where in very large groups. I hung out at the bar and waited for an approachable set.

Cold Approach #1
Two girls entered across the room I was in and planted themselves at a ledge. I walked up to them and said hi. The not so good looking one ignored me and the cute one gave me her attention but I could not tell if she was attracted or talking to me out of politeness. She did maintain solid eye contact and giggled a lot. I don’t know if that was the MX391 or if it was just her natural personality. But after about 1 minute of conversation the other girl flat out told me that they were not interested in conversation with me and to go away. The cute girl started apologizing but I told her it was alright and to have a good night.

Funny thing is that later on the night when I was on the dance floor the girl who told me to go away ended up standing nearby when talking to another guy and made contact with my arm when she pulled out her cell phone. Hard to know if that was a coincidence or actually meant something.

Cold Approach #2
There were three girls and two guys standing in the middle and four of them were conversation but a cute blond was dancing a bit in place not not engaged in conversation with the rest of the group.

I approached and said hi. We chatted for about a minute and she introduced me to her friends. It was going okay until one of the guys in the group gave her a look. Right at that moment she said to me, “it was nice meeting you.” So I returned the politeness and ejected.

Right after I left she put her arm around the guy and started rubbing his back. I think they guy might have been her boyfriend.

Later in the night on the dance floor I was dancing in an empty area and the three girls I approached started dancing right near me and the one I approached bumped into me and leaned into me a little as she was dancing. I think it might have been on purpose but without getting into her head it’s impossible to know for sure.

Anyway, the room with the bar was getting way too crowded and the dance floor was still pretty empty so I decided to do my standard dance floor test on the mix.

Possible IOI
I get on the dance floor and pick and empty spot. I start moving to the music and I did like the music they were playing. A group of girls eventually appeared to my right and one of them bumped into me a few times. She broke away from the group and would dance in front of me (facing away) for a few seconds and return to the group. She did a spin when she was in front of me and it looked like she might have taken a peek at me but she spun to fast to tell for sure. This one was too close to call. It very easily could have been and IOI and very easily might have just been a coincidence based on where I was standing. Who knows?

Definite IOI #1
Two girls started dancing in my proximity and one of them just stopped facing me and stared at me for a couple of seconds. I said, “Hi” and she just returned to her friend to continue dancing. A few minutes later she stopped right in front of me again staring at me so I stepped up to her, put my hand on her side and did a direct approach. She put her hand on my side. For the entire conversation, we were were basically embracing each other. She was clearly attracted and when her friend came to take her away from me, she was very reluctant to leave. She hinted that I should number close her so I number closed her.

Possible IOI #2
Two girls walked by me and planted themselves right next to me. One of the girls turned her head and looked right into my eyes but I froze. Then I thought to myself that it was too late. But then she looked right at me again and I froze again. The she looked right at me a third time and I froze again. Then she flipped her hair at me and hit me in the face with her hair but by then I was in my head and a too much of a mess to approach. Then they went away.

I didn’t stay out too late because I had to get up early the next morning so it wasn’t a full night out.

Conclusions
The cologne scent is too strong to use more than one spray. I’m going to try to see how well it works with just one spray and if it doesn’t then I’ll stop using it.

MX391 definitely has potential. It could possibly end up being one of the best mixes I’ve tried but it’s too early to tell for sure. The results so far are very promising but 1/2 night out is not enough to draw any conclusions for this mix. I just hope I get good results with just 1 spray of this stuff.

MX391 - Saturday Night - Messed up dosage again

1 Spray of MX391
no cover

(Refreshed with TUTH later in the evening)

I’ve been having a hard time properly aiming the Mx391 togo bottle. I sprayed my throat but it was only a partial hit and some of the spray went off to the side. Then I sprayed myself again and the cologne scent was really strong so I took some off with a tissue. I think I had about 1 spray on when I went out.

Early in the night the mix was promising. I got approached by one girl and I had a couple of definite IOIs.

All these hits came in the first hour but then they stopped. I tried changing bars a couple of times but still no more hits. I tried some cold approaches but none of the sets were opening at all. It sucked.

I had a togo of double strength TUTH (5 mcg -none per spray) and I gave myself 1 spray to the throat and one spray to the stomach. I resumed my cold approaches and some of my sets started opening after that. The difference was like night and day.

Pherobomb on a Pre halloween Friday

1 Spray EOW Spiked IJ
1 Spray of TUTH (double strength)
1 Spray of NPA 1:4
1 Spray of P83 (25 mcg)
1 Spray of P79 (12.5 mcg)
1 Spray of IO
Covered with Chrome

Went to a dive bar and just sat at the bar for a while. Two hot women in their mid to late 30s sat next to me. I made a few passing remarks from time to time and eventually we were in a conversation.

I didn’t escalate at all because I was getting IOIs from both of them and I really didn’t know what to do in that situation. I decided that I just wanted to see how long it would take before they got bored of me. I ended up spending over three hours with them and we hung out at three different bars. Even when they had to get a cab we were standing outside and they just kept taking to me.

What was interesting is that they both seemed excited to tell me things. If one of the women was sitting there quietly while the other one was talking, I would bring the one sitting quietly back in the conversation by asking her a question. She would perk up and seem excited to talk to me.

I was my same normal boring self yet this conversation was quite effortless. I really have to try this pherobomb again although it really didn’t feel like a bomb. :slight_smile:

IJ - 2nd bottle

This report won’t be useful to anyone.

Disclaimer
No one should read too much into this posting. I don’t have any solid evidence to back up any of my conclusions here. I am probably wrong.

Anyway, some of my best results were with my first bottle of Instant Jerk. I eventually spiked what remained in that bottle with EOW and switched to another bottle.

I don’t see any results in my journal that were great with that second bottle of Instant Jerk. I stopped reporting for a while but I wasn’t going out too frequently either. But I don’t remember and great nights with that second bottle unless I supplemented with TUTH or NPA in addition to the IJ.

Due to my poor record keeping I can’t be sure of this. But I’m going to retire this bottle of IJ and switch to a newer bottle just in case. (I have 3 unused bottles of the stuff stockpiled. :slight_smile:)

My original bottle of IJ does not have a revision number. The bottle that I’m going to retire is Version 1.2, Batch#201, bottled on 1/6/2010. The bottle that I am switching too is Version 1.2 Batch#205, bottled on 06/29/2010.

No one should read too much into this posting. I don’t have any solid evidence to back up any of my conclusions here. I am probably wrong. I just wonder if my second bottle of IJ was weaker or different than my first bottle of IJ. It’s was probably exactly the same and there are other non-pheromone related factors here.

I too have noticed the lesser potency of a new batch of IJ. Even in the smell alone, but I won’t jump to conclusions, I’ll just keep testing.

The better one also being Version 1.2 Batch 201. The not so much one is also Version 1.2 Batch 205.

You’re getting shit tested on allot of your approaches and not sure if you’ve noticed it or not, but seem to be prematurely ejecting. A shit test is a congruency test especially since you are approaching as a man who gets around and for his age is quite successful with the ladies.

Essentially you’re saying and projecting all the right stuff and its obvious the women are interested otherwise they wouldn’t be shit testing you so hard. Humor is the best medicine to overcome shit test. A guy with your signature gets around, he has choice, so her little tiny tests are amusing to someone like you.

Great journal so far :slight_smile:

Yes, I definitely prematurely eject all the time. Unfortunately, at the very first sign of perceived disinterest from the girl I’m out of there. It’s a really bad habit. The only time I seem to stay in a set is if the girl takes over and starts leading it.

This weekend I think I’m going to try to force my self to stay in my sets and plow a little bit instead of ejecting if things don’t go 100% perfectly.

Best night in a long time

Pheromones
1 Spray IJ to throat
1 Spray of TUTH2X to the stomach
1 Drop of A314 to the wrists
No cover

Supplements
1000 mg L-Tyrosine

Summary
Did a total of 6 cold approaches and all 6 sets opened nicely. All six were initially interested in talking to me. I got approached last night as well. I bored 5 of the sets fairly quickly and two stuck. Ended up kissing two different girls last night. Both of these women really liked me.

First Bar
At the first bar, I did 3 cold approaches and all three sets opened immediately. In each case they became bored of me after a minute or two and either turned away or just started talking to each other without paying any attention to me. No outright rejections.

Second Bar
My first approach in this bar started of well and both of the women made an effort to bring me into the conversation and asked me questions. But I was out of sync and had a difficult time speaking. I was tripping over my words and after a few minutes they just turned away from me.

My second approach in this bar started off just as well as the first one but this time I was smooth. All three of us where being playful and the girls were laughing a lot. I could tell one of the girls liked me by the way she was looking at me. The other girl eventually left the two of us alone and we got to know each other. She seemed shy but I slowly escalated over an hour and we ended up kissing a little bit. I didn’t make out with her because she didn’t seem comfortable with PDA. Her friend got totally wasted so she had to take her home but we exchanged numbers before she left. I spent about two hours in this interaction.

My third approach opened up really nicely. But I was completely boring and after a couple of minutes they turned away from me and ignored me.

While I was standing there patiently waiting for a good approach opportunity a girl walks up to me and introduces herself to me. Then she introduced her friend to me and she went off to the side and left us alone. I hit it off immediately with the friend and within 45 minutes we were making out. She was very aroused and wanted me badly but nothing could happen because her friend was from out of town and hanging out with her. We exchanged numbers. When I pulled out my phone and clicked on an icon, the previous girl’s contact page was still showing. The girl I had just met saw it looked away, shook her head a little bit and kind of laughed. But she was still very enthusiastic about seeing me again and didn’t want to break away from me. But I told her to go to her friend and I went home. I spent over an hour in this interaction.

Subway
I entered the subway and I was feeling really good about myself. I felt as confident as I ever felt in my life. As I walked, at least a few women were staring at me as I walked by them. I guess it’s true that women are attracted to confidence. I wish I could be confident like that 100% of the time.

Hi, I’ve been following your thread with renewed interest. I’d bought Ammo and Tuth last year, I’m still using Tuth as a standalone but not Ammo as I didn’t really liked the smell. I’m going to buy A314, IS(2X) and P83. How should I go about mixing them together? Like overlapping the sprays?

I was thinking 1 spray of P83(25mcg) and TUTH each on the chest, overlapped and 1 drop of A314 on the wrists, where should I apply the instant shine then? This is my first time mixing and I don’t really know where should each of the individual sprays go, would appreciate if you or any experienced users could give me some advice on the sprays and how should I mix it for school, social or party situations. I’m very soft spoken and generally regarded as anti-social most times, hope the new products would do something for me. Thanks…

I don’t overlap the sprays but I think it would probably be okay if you did. It would be like mixing them on your skin and some people do mix different products together in a bottle.

The products you select will depend on what you are trying to accomplish with your vibe. Try to figure out what vibe you are giving off to people now. Then figure out the vibe you want to project and then select the appropriate product.

Are you trying to be more social or are you trying to hook up?

If you wear TUTH + A314 it could make some women who otherwise would not have noticed you attracted to you and they will give you a shot. But it will put off many people as well and could make it more difficult to be social in general. You also risk a creepy vibe with TUTH. (Personally I think it’s worth the risk.)

If you wear IO or IH, it will be easily to socialize with people of both genders but it could reduce your sexual attractiveness to women in general. But it could make it easier to connect with women.

4 Sprays of IJ - Logistical Nightmare - Only one good hit

Pheromones
4 Sprays of IJ (throat, chest, back, wrists)

Logistical Issues
The bar that I had planned on going to was not open yet at 10PM. So I went to a live music venue and returned to the bar at 11:15. I was denied entry - guest list only. My second choice bar was guest list only too. I went to another area of the city but the bars I went to were too packed.

Only hit of the night
I was at the live music venue and one band had finished up. I was just standing there doing nothing while everyone around me was talking/socializing.

A tall/attractive woman walked by me and she was obviously effected by my Instant Jerk vibe. She looked right at me and I just said, “Hi.” She stopped and said, “Hi” back. We chatted for a few minutes and she told me that she had to get back to her group. She number closed me and asked if it would be alright to get in touch with me. (She seemed a little unsure of herself) I told her that it would be fine and I would like to meet her for a drink next week.

Cold Approaches
I did a few cold approaches and they all opened sort of but I got the feeling that most of my cold approaches just chatted out of politeness.

Did I fuck up?
I just remembered one interaction from last night where I may have had an opportunity. I approached a tall/hot/blonde girl who was much hotter than any girl I have ever hooked up with in my entire life. She opened right up and made intense eye contact with me. I did not back down and kept relaxed but good eye contact with her during the interaction. Our eyes were locked during most of the interaction and neither of us looked away.

What threw me off during the interaction is when she said, “This is the last bar I’m going to. I’m going home soon.” Last night I took this as a rejection and I thought she was hinting that she didn’t want to hang out with me. I prematurely ejected and said, “It was nice meeting you.” Now I’m wondering if I was an idiot and should have started to escalate. But at the time I thought she was out of my league and I had no chance with her. Now I will never know.

That’s the best point to pull the ole “Sure, I’ll pay..” card… and then hand her the money and make her go actually physically pay for the drink and bring it back :wink:

That throws em for a loop!

That’s what I was thinking, Steve. Some cocky/funny, push/pull action would probably work wonders here… for instance the girl that told him to go away? “Oh, it’s alright, Your perfume isn’t THAT bad, really…” (with a big sarcastic smile afterwards)

That last gal’s actions sounds like a shit test to check for congruence… total time for a cocky/funny rebuttal!

Maybe a shit test, or maybe she was telling him her desire to go be alone with him. That’s how I took it anyway.

Whenever a girl tells me what they are doing especially if I don’t ask I assume they are telling me they want to be with me. Always Be Closing my friend.

Just to add to that, if you’re saying cocky/funny as in: “you must think I’m just a piece of meat for your pleasure. Most girls at least buy me a drink before they try to take me home,” Than hell yeah that would rock her world and show her everything she needs to bed you.