Some of the experts agree that at least a smidge of AndrostEnone (accompanied by other more social products like IS and IO ) is probably necessary and has a purpose in the first stage (the Attraction stage) of Mystery’s model (see quote below). Note that TaoistBiker makes the good point that “you want to be able to generate attraction in any situation without relying on pheros.”
ATTRACTION STAGE
A - 1 = OPEN
A - 2 = INTEREST
A - 3 = F2M INTEREST
How do you use Turn Up the Heat? As an attractant, or as a sexual segue?
TaoistBiker (November 6, 2006):
“…Attraction: a process containing phases that you run that can sometimes finish in less that 30 seconds; but need to go back into regularly even if you are in a relationship. Women process information sooo rapidly that if you are doing approaches you want to be able to generate attraction in any situation without relying on pheros. Pheros take time to work and time can be the enemy here. So pheros are just wardrobe to me – bio-psychological peacocking that may or may not have time to work…”
How do you use Turn Up the Heat? As an attractant, or as a sexual segue?
Jasmin (November 3, 2006):
How do you use Turn Up the Heat? As an attractant, or as a sexual segue?
Hey guys,
We were wondering how you use Turn Up The Heat .
Originally, it was intended to literally " Turn Up The Heat " after you’ve been with someone for awhile (opened them with Instant Openness , Instant Shine, etc.), and want to transition to the next stage… something steamier with more physical oomph.
The To Go version would especially be useful to help “turn the page” to a sexier chapter, since you can keep it on you at all times and use it at just the right moment.
Guys in the pickup community might call this a “phase shifter”. Neil Strauss (Style, Annihilation Method), Erik Markovich (Mystery, Mystery Method ), etc.
However, I’ve also seen that a lot of people try to use it as an attractant itself. Something meant to catch the eye of a willing doe eyed vixen.
Guys in the pickup community might say this using Turn Up The Heat as an “opener”, especially those who use “direct game” (like our own Rob does). Blatant, raw, “I’m the alpha male sex god” energy. This isn’t common today. The bulk of PUAs today use fun energy and comfort to open.
Your feedback may lead to a change in it’s diffusion formula, and also affect it’s fragrance. We might reduce the essential oil components if quite a few of you use it as an attractant."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socrates
SwingerMD (May 13, 2003):
“TBiRD,
Agreed.
The use - nol first then -none later strategy has been around for quite a while on this forum. It is very logical.
I tend to usually use this strategy though: When I’m out and about hunting/wandering around I’ve found it is the best to use a heavy -none product. The -none product seems to get the attention focused on you (especially with complete strangers) rather than using a -Androstenol product like Scent of Eros which seems to encourage other people around you to “hook-up”.
After getting her interest, phone number, and a date you use the Scent of Eros during the first few dates to make her relax, feel comfortable, and to gather enough info to see if this is someone that you can carry this to the next level.
When you're ready for that next level, you then hit them with that -none product.”
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socrates
Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction
Jasmin (November 3, 2006):
“ Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction
Which pheromones do you guys use for each phase of seduction, in terms of something like the Mystery Method or Neil Strauss’ Game?
We were thinking something like this:
Attraction: Instant Openness or Liquid Sunshine + Instant Shine + small amount of Turn Up The Heat
The Instant Openness or one of the Liquid Sunshine mixes would make people chatty, make 'em feel good
The Shine will make them feel even better. Increase the energy, and make you seem like one of those people everyone likes to be around. An optimistic, bright breath of fresh air.
The small amount of Turn Up The Heat will let 'em know you’re not just a friend.
Comfort: Instant Openness + a small amount of Instant Shine, an even tinier amount of Turn Up The Heat , maybe a little A314 or something based on MX102 through MX105 . Optional Instant Honesty
The Shine would keep it buzzy, non-boring.
The small amount of Turn Up The Heat would help prevent friendism
A314 would add comfort, and position you as a classical man ( DHV ). I think the key would be using not too much. Maybe even less than 1 drop or 1 spray of MX102 is ideal. Our own Thomas Lavoie does something like this.
Instant Honesty would make her feel like she’s known you forever. A true comfort accelerator (but maybe too comfortable in high amounts?). (I’ve gotten a lot of feedback saying that A314 and Honesty are actually killer for mystery’s C3)
Seduction: Turn Up The Heat + TAL + P79 . Optional: A little Shine and/or Instant Openness
The Turn Up The Heat would add the sexual spark
The P79 would make 'em wanna do something about it, and reduce LMR
The TAL would make women aggressive and direct (chime in here, Taoist Biker and others!) and also reduce LMR .
What do you guys think?”
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Originally Posted by Socrates
Jasmin (June 13, 2007):
“Hey there boom!
Glad to hear about your newfound interest in modifying social situations.
For any first time Turn Up The Heat users, I totally recommend tempering it with Shine (or other feel good phero blends). You’ll get a good feel of the energy and heat of Turn Up The Heat , and you’ll soon learn that it’s possible to wear it in an assortment of situations. Spend a week or two with is and see how it jibes with your body chemistry, and then you’ll have a really good idea of how it will work out and about.
You CAN use a smidge - and I’m talking smidge here - in casual situations.
Think of it this way. Turn Up The Heat says, “I’m going to have sex!”. You can wear too much and freak people out, OR you can wear a tiny dash, stir up some sexual mystique, and layer it with some feel good pheros so people associate feeling good and feeling aroused with you!
Sound good? Give me a call if you have Qs.
Your gift cert is turning up the heat in your inbox ”
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socrates
Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction
Gem (December 19, 2006):
“I don’t know pheromones but I do know game - here is my input, take it or leave it.
It is important to understand the differences within the different sections of the Mystery method model:
Attraction is A 1 (the opener), A2 (female to male attraction), A3 (Male to female attraction)
Comfort - Can all be lumped together but is essentially building deeper raport and connection.
Seduction, is split into thre but only two are relevent - Getting her horny, and LMR (last minute resistance)
A 1 - Instant openess, instant female magic or instant shine - baiscally all you are trying to do at this point is get the girl(s) to speak to you you so anything that relaxes her, opens her up or makes her feel good near you will work
A2 - female to male attraction, I am not going to go into what builds attraction, but I will just say, you don’t want anything that makes her feel comfortable or connected to you (the secret is to make her feel you are better than her or unobtainable) so I suggest Turn Up The Heat or Instant jerk, or maybe even >A314 if congruent with your personality.
A3 - male to female attraction, at this point you want to show her she has won you over (not sexually) baisically this is where you first show attraction by complimenting her you want her to link compliments from you with feeling good so my pheromone of choice would be instant shine or female magic.
Comfort - deeper raport, deep conversations, connection, shared experiences - Instant openess, Instant shine, Instant honesty …
Seduction
S1 - getting her hot, time to Turn Up The Heat (again), instant jerk, (basically sex pheromones
S3 - LMR - This is when she wonders if she is doing the right thing (after all she only just met you) You DO NOT want to be winning her over by palying how horny she is feeling off against her will power (that is IMO immoral and inneffective) You want to reassure her - so once again you want some reassuring, feel good products (shine, Honesty, openess)
Now, that is a fantasy situation - in reality you cannot change and remove pheromones that quickly for example the whole attraction phase can be run within the space of 20 seconds (trust me i have done it) So I suggest you identify your own sticking points within that framework and select the right pheromones from there. For instance my sticking point is A3 - I have no problem opening, I can build attraction easily - too easily that leads to the problem that girls think I am being insincere or playing with them once i begin to take an interest in them - so I would stick to Shine or openess to assist me and not use any sexual pheromones.
Me personally - I will stay away from any sexual pheromones beyond our first meeting. It jsut seems a bit too much like pressuring someone into doing something they wouldn’t normally do becuase they get too horny and that doesn’t sit well with me. I like to guide all sexual encounters towards a meaningfull lasting relationship (open relationship), so I am prepared to wait and ensure she is 100% happy and has made the decision to escalate sexually with all the facts in place (including the fact that I am a PUA and will not commit to her). But that is just my personal Moral Stance so take it as you will. I would rather sleep well at night even if it means I don’t sleep with a different person each night. once i have already slept with a girl I will certainly use sexual pheromones to spice up the sex.
The above recommendation is for MM style game (indirect),
If your style is direct I would recommend just Turn Up The Heat or Instant Jerk if you can handle it…”