An interesting exchange between NBully and Lor from just over a year ago is pasted in below. Here we have one woman’s perspective of when is and when is not the right time to use Androstenone in pickup situations and how much of it is needed…
Lor (January 26, 2007):
“huge fan of Ammo.
instant shine is another. the guys i know that are either around it or wearing just come off as happy…going on..carefree which is VERY sexxay!
i happen to have a dose of Turn Up The Heat that is a little much for me,but when properly diluted,its hot.
my only problem with it is that it works on me with people i know, not with people im not close to .”
Lor (January 27, 2007):
“…happy to explain, i feel strongly i know the reason people fail with TUTH ]…
people go for the androstenone heavy mixes because they are going for a sexual mix.
the problem with androstenone to me is that its a very caveman/instant jerk feel to it. i get the feeling of cockiness, arrogance,i want you for 10 minutes and then go away.
when you use pheromixes like instant shine , Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, CTTM, sunshine… these are the social “im fun your fun lets be fun together” mixes.
i want to chat you up this way.
im feelin ya,converation is happenin’, maybe we could hang in a more private place…this is when i would spring the Turn Up The Heat!
at this point Turn Up The Heat is interpreted as sexual tension, because it wasnt there before i met you. theres no “i was going to have sex with or without you”…
i hope i am comming across, i have trouble expressing my ideas when im excited on a topic! ”
Lor (January 28, 2007):
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So, what I understood from your post is that with people you know a heavy -none product translates to sexual tension as the comfort has already been established, but with new people it comes across as cockiness and arrogance! Did, I understand correctly?
yes. when there is tention before i ever arrived and i think “well you were going to score with anyone and i got here first”
i dont mean that anyone with a heavy 'none signiture is comming across this way, but honestly i dont think anyone applying more 'none is applying in a natural amount,ever. thats just my experience.
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Can the comfort be lost on sudden introduction of Turn Up The Heat even though it went smoothly during conversation and now you are at a private place where both agreed to be? Maybe the girl wanted to have sex with the guy with Instant Shine signature and now that you are a guy with -none signature she doesn’t want to??
im not convinced it works like that.
i think the girl (we think different) that grooved on the shine-guy is now in a mentally different place,where things are acceptable to a certain degree. once things move to another level,you made it. theres the possibility. thats NOT the i want shine girl,lol,atleast if shes wanting to go somewhere more private.
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So, my question is can you ever be sure that introducing -none is definitely a good idea (let’s not get into ovulation, we are talking about new people here)?
no. you can never be sure. feeling out the situation is always necessary,but atleast here you know not to be heavy with it in the first few minutes
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What if Ammunition was used instead of Turn Up The Heat in the private scenario, will that be perceived as lower and not enough sexual tension?
this is different to me.
Ammo for all i know may have more 'none in it than Turn Up The Heat. i dont know what it has, all i know is that i have the “shiny” version of it, and i think “player…hottie…fun…NOT just a friend…”
i still think Ammo has plenty if not ALOT of sexual tension,but it doesnt feel to me to be something only used for special situations.
remember too that these are just my experiences so i know other people dont have the same theories.
alot of this to me is timing, like you have dinner then dessert, instead of “lets have dessert and hopefully you’ll know i meant to offer dinner but i didnt think about it. hey,look! whipped cream!” ”
Lor (January 28, 2007):
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Are they thinking this is a guy which can satisfy me sexually, or are they just feeling hot and I am the one nearest to them, or something else?
i dont think (please correct me if im wrong) that most women in general are just hoping to sniff out a man that can satisfy them sexually. women by nature are looking for men that have the right qualities first,even though i dont think its a conscious choice.sex wouldnt be the first deciding factor as it would be for a man.
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The strange thing was sometimes the -none hits are indistinguishable from Shine hits or - Androstenol hits. Women just feel comfortable to be around you. What is happening there? So, -none alone (like Primal Instinct,Turn Up The Heat) seems to be enough to generate good feelings in them! Are they thinking sex, or are they thinking this is a fun guy to be around?
i would not attribute good feelings in women you just met to 'none.
nothing about 'none makes it comfortable to be around you.
maybe you are a strong 'Androsterone maker?
i dont think people wear primal/ Turn Up The Heat to comfort women, and i dont think i have ever mistook a shine feeling for a Turn Up The Heat feeling.
i think more credit should be placed on you as an individual,as a personality, and the pheromones just steered the direction somewhat.
men think women think like they do (which is natural as we do it too) so i would be thinking ,if i were a man, that i need to stop thinking she is thinking sex,especially if we just met, and think she is not in the same mental space. getting along with you on all other topics doesnt mean great she must want to have sex
had to say that, i know you dont think that! …”