Hi, I just came here because I was looking up certain products that are being sold for athletic performance and although I realized they were pheramones I didn’t really think of other effects that could result from them until I was looking up a specific product and came across this site (and other sites dealing with pheramones from a different angle).
After the prohormone ban that was passed a few years ago the athletic supplementation industry scrambled to find a way to get hormone effecting products developed that could legally be sold without a prescription. Among these:
-androstenols (2-androstenol, 3-androstenol, 4-androstenol)
Desoxymethyltestosterone which has been said to be a pheromone in elephants and possibly in other animals (I realize pheramones are specific to species though.
As a powerlifter and someone who has had experience with androgens and is currently using desoxymethyltestosterone (as well as some other androgens) I can say that it has been quite effective, and people who have used the androstenols have claimed they increase athletic performance as well. But I don’t really know anything about pheramones outside of this context and within the powerlifting/bodybuilding community they seem to be only seen is this context and the issue seems to have never been discussed, are these the same pheramones that are used in attempting to attract the opposite sex (the androstenols)? If so, what would be the result of taking them internally? Is there a link between testosterone and pheramones? Does an increased amount of pheramones inside the body effect output?
I’ve experienced increasedsex drive, but androgenic hormones (most of them, all though a few (those that link to progesterone receptors as well) have the opposite effect) in general do this. I have read some material before claiming that in studies men who were injected with supraphysiological amounts of testosterone seemed to effect those around them.
Hormones and Pheromones while related are two different things.
Pheromones such as Alpha Androstenol Androsterone Androstenone EST ect ect are byproducts of hormones. This means they are the part the body dosnt need so it gets rid of them through secretion or bodily function. When released and inhaled by those around you they influence behavior and cause a reaction such as attraction or happiness ect ect.
You should not ingest pheromones ever. You will get sick. It would be like drinking piss seriously your poisoning your body with what it naturally gets rid of.
The use of pheromones can not increase your testosterone levels although a certain womens product called copulins which is the vaginal secretions of young fertile females (synthetic of course) can raise a mans Testosterone levels by 130% in 15 minutes after being exposed to a women wearing them.
Testosterone is related to Androstenone Androsterone Androstadienone because these pheromones are derived from it. They are a byproduct of it. So if you make alot of testosterone you will give off more pheromones but not the other way around. That would be like saying if you pee alot you will be less thirsty. It just dosnt work that way in the body.
Anol,while made by both males and females is found in higher amounts in females. Ingesting it or inhaling it will not improve your athletic performance. It makes people more talkative and open as well as feel comfortable and in a happy mood.
Do you know why people say alot of women talk to much and they are busy bodies . Anol LOL
So while pheromone products can improve socialization and interaction with others they can not increase your own pheromone output or increase athletic performance. They simply influence.
It is being sold in the athletic community (by supplement manufacturers) and while it says it pheramones no one has given it a second thought… I’ve never heard of anyone becoming sick, supposedly the companies are claiming the androstenols (3-androstenol etc.) convert in the body to testosterone or have testosterone effects… I haven’t tried it but probably wouldn’t for athletic perfromance…
The desoxymethyltest. is claimed to be a pheramone in some animals, and has definately had a dramatic effect on bodyweight… but that is basically a hormone in people from everything I’ve read (even though it is almost exactly a copy of an elephant pheramone) either that or the pheramones are really pheramones, but anabolic steroids mislabled by the sports supp. industry, wouldn’t be the first time…
I would be very very careful before ingesting these supplements. Ask your doctor. I am not a medical professional so I cant tell you exactly what would happen with Alpha Androstenol ingested. I am sure it comes in a different form then the pheromones here or sold elsewhere on the net. I am thinking that they probably get theirs from truffles which is a plant fungus and a chemical derivative of Alpha Androstenol. It is not the exact same molecule as secreted by humans. I am not saying that its a fact that it cant increase your testosterone. Just like in the world of pheromones there is alot to still be researched and discovered with hormones. Its good your researching and discovering anwsers to these questions.
desoxymethyltestosterone is a hormone so ingesting it, while most likely still dangerous could effect your performance. Just keep in mind that everything that effects you physically is not always a good thing. It is also used as a pheromone in some products and is said to create a reaction when inhaled. Inhaling pheromones is different as they never enter your blood stream like ingesting them. They travel to the neurotransmitters in the brain and cause a reaction this way. Your brain has a blood barrier in it which blocks the entry into the blood stream of most molecules. Mones do not absorb back into the body because of there molecular structure.
Even though I am not a medical Professional I do know that Hormones can act as Pheromones but Pheromones can not act as hormones. It works against the bodies normal function.
Let me be more clear because I am not trying to discourage you from exploring suppliments.
I am saying ingesting pheromones as sold here or from other pheromone companies that sell product for the purpose of influencing through the vomeronasal system will make you sick. As I said I am not a doctor so I cant tell you exactly what ingesting their (the supplement co) byproducts would do to you. In all likelihood you would just ex spell them from the body because your body would recognize them as waste. I would advise caution though
Androstenol and Androsterone are steroid pheromones, without looking it up in my chem book acetate ester is salt and acetic acid like found in vinegar.
Androsterone is found in the liver and in male urine. It can also be found in pine cones which is probably where they get it from for your supplements. The Androsterone here is a synthetic chemical which is why you cant ingest it.
Androstenol as I mentioned above can be found in a tree fungus called truffles and this is probably where its comes from in there products. Not the same as the Alpha Androstenol sold here
Ingesting any steriod without the guidance of a medical professional can make you sick as well so really look into there claims before you do.
So would they wouldn’t get to your brain then and have effects on you like inhaled ones would? or is it just inhaled pheramones can’t make it back to your body? And would they possibly come out your pores and have effects on those around you? (like the way your body produces pheramones, except there would be much larger amounts?)
I’ve known about the hormonal effects of them but no one seems to have given it any thought weither they would end up outside you, at least not in the athletic community (actually there is never really a disscussion in this community on the other effects… so I was curious if any one around here would know if its possible they’d end up outside you, basically if you could inadvertently have a cross over effect from taking them that may or may not be desired and is unknown to the user).
Also, I’m just hoping that the FDA doesn’t end up trying to ban (the FDA has basically been banning items used in the athletic community, especially those used by bodybuilders and powerlifters, for years ever since the original steroid control acts in the lates 80s/early 90s and have gathered a great deal of anger from athletes who looked at it as more a decision on a personal and athletic org. level) these and end up hitting the products that are basically completely different as well… personally I’ve used the desoxymethyltest but never tried the androstenol because even though there is some danger in hormone supplementation I’ve always figured that it is probably safer to take the actual hormone instead of a precursor where you don’t know how much will end up changing; but I’ve seen a boatload of people talking about the androstenol/androsterone.