Spaceland
30ml -Androsterone spray 10 mcg per spray
With shipping came to $85.67.
Aiming to combine the approx. (guestimated) 42.5 mcg per spray of -Androstenol in the Spaceland to the 10 mcg of the -Androsterone in a 4:1 ratio (ish) as with Scent of Eros gel packets. I should have 99.8% of the -Androstenol required and about 93.9% of the -Androsterone required to “apply” 133 gel packets worth of the Scent of Eros gel packet mix; for the cost of no more than 77-78 gel packets! So I only end up paying roughly 58.4% of the minimum possible per packet cost of the Scent of Eros (shipping taken into account for both). Did not get the -Androsterone scented at all; but I have my David Beckham Instinct Cologne for a cover scent so I am sorted. 133 gel packets for the cost of 77-78 gel packets. 55.5 packets free!
And I can use more or less -Androstenol and more or less -Androsterone; depending on the situation. I am so chuffed!
Bulk chemset androsterone is the cheapest pheromone on the net. I originally bought it to make alcohol based SOE clones. However, I later found it great for maning up my nol and A-1 mixes without using androstenone.
I know you are not allowed to mention the wholesalers website; but is the price much lower than $27.95 for 2,000 mcg ? I also take into account the quality aspect of “American synthesized -mones”. And the fact that buying from one vendor instead of two I save on the shipping.
Well, they sell 10ml of androstenol for 25 bucks. 10ml is .357 oz which is 9.9 grams.
They don’t list a # of mcg per ml so I don’t realy know how much this is, and they do list a method for purchasing pure anrostenol. I assume it is a substancial ammount, but not 9.9 grams of androstenol. That would have to be a crystal provided they crystalize. (I assume they would)
Their FAQ states "All quantities which are offered for sale through the “Retail” price tables are by default offered in a 1 x 103 PPM solution, or 1Mg of the compound per 1mL of alcohol.
Androsterone is $36.65 USD for 50mL. It smells concentrated (funky BO) and doesn’t take much to be effective. It’s USA made and they do custom concentrates via special order. They’re slow as molasses and I have never–not once–got them to answer an email or phone call. I did receive my order. I think they mainly prefer to deal in bulk to retail/pros.
What’s really odd is they indicate androsterone is considered a controlled substance in FL or MN–so no orders shipped to those states! Sheesh, watch out for the DEA. Too many fools been saying pheromones make them high…
i mentioned that a while ago that 'rone was considered a controled substance, i was under the impression it was controlled in a larger area than just a few states though.
i cant imagine people getting high on 'rone, im trying to imagine a more realistic reason it would need safer handling??
I think everything but the estratetraenol is Chinese made. Remember, this is the same kid that used to sell equilin as estratetraenol, as well as fake androstenol (ask itwow about this), because he didn’t know chemical nomenclature. He couldn’t tell one thing from another.
We also ordered a gallon of their copulins to check them out in October or November (cops are one thing we don’t want to do inhouse), and haven’t received it. Ail placed $400 something dollar order, too. Received nothing.
If you’ve seen this person on another forum, you’ll notice that they’re extremely obnoxious and probably not mentally stable. They’re constantly moderated by adults so they look as bad as they work to make themselves look. You get what you pay for. (well, actually, maybe you get less in this case)
Florida stupidly clumped Androsterone into their anti-androgen legislation and Minnesota copied soon after. It’s state law, not a DEA regulation, but it can be enforced by the DEA. You’ll notice that we moved from Florida before that became law! It’s still legal on a federal level. Rone and DHEA escaped the heavy hand of Uncle Sam, but not Jeb Bush.
so three orders. one recieved. two not received. and the one that they actually sent was fake product. yikes. thanks for the warning! not that i knew which company these guys were on about - will stay well clear though!
After we brought it to his attention, I think he worked at getting real androstenol. If it was recently, you might’ve gotten “real” stuff.
Still not American, or top notch. American androgens cost a fortune. Call up Sigma-Aldrich and try to have some synthesized yourself. Even in bulk, it doesn’t begin to compare to prices from China. It’ll still cost over 100 times more, gram per gram, for most substances.
The American thing matters more for some pheromones than others. We’ve split test lots and lots of molecules. In fact, Michael is a split test fanatic, as you can tell from our test series! In fact, he sent me something to post recently about chemical sources. Haven’t gotten to it, but he says in it that better quality Chinese Androsterone vs. American isn’t drastically different, but 2.5 mcg of American P83 vs. it’s Chinese counterpart might as well be Mars vs. Oranges. Totally different. Even 100mcg of Chinese won’t compare to 2.5 of american.
Depends on the Chinese lab and what they make it for. If they make it PURELY as a pheromone, it’s terrible quality and make not “conform” to standards at all. They just don’t care. If they make it for medical purposes, something that someone might inject or swallow, they pay more attention to synthesis.
Still not good stuff in many ways. We have Asian customers (mostly from Singapore and Japan) that won’t buy Chinese made naproxem sodium (Aleve)! They get more information than we do on the Chinese chemical trade, and they tend to much more scared of Chinese chemicals than those of us who live outside of Asia.
Well they claim in their FAQ they make their stuff inhouse. Don’t know if it’s true or not, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s BS. The androstenol I bought appears to be the real deal, maybe they cleaned up their act a little. But, yeah, their customer service is flaky as is the infamous Mr. H…
However they do manufacture Aquagen for Love Scent and it’s a solid although not overwhelmingly amazing product. Even managed to come up with decent graphics on the label.
I plan to eventually try some of the Androtics chemset (Experimone) products and see if I can see a difference in performance. If coeds stalk me and spring outta the bushes I’ll know it’s good sh!t. Actually had a couple stalkers when I was dumb enough to wear The Edge to class. I had to discontinue using that stuff at work. It drives certain women completely over the edge into lalaland.
It should also be noted that pheromone research and distribution (manufacturing?) only makes up a portion of their overall operations. They aren’t fully dedicated to developing pheromone products, and its pretty obvious from the posts their representative makes on other forums. The regular forum members seem to have more sense about pheromone use than he does, and he’s often disputed on the forums. Some of the philosophies and ideas behind aquagen seem a little flawed to me (a point I brought up over there actually), and I knew right from the git-go that it would be a less than impressive product… based on how they approached it.
However, I am interested in seeing where they go with this, and hopefully they continually learn and improve upon their products. I’m hoping something good will come out of it.
Oh yeah and I also ordered from them a while back, and recieved nothing. No e-mail response, no package, nothing.
Sheesh, I guess I was lucky to have gotten my order. Nevertheless it took nearly 6 weeks, although they immediately charged my card. I left many phone and email messages. Although they didn’t respond maybe it jogged them into actually mailing it to me (express mail!). I had to call my credit card company back to stop the chargeback process (the package showed up the very day I called VISA!).
It sure is funny how things work, as when i received my order of aRONE, AndrostAnone, and Androstadienone back in june of 2006 i did receive them in Australia after 20 days, the only trouble i had was that they did not charge my credit card, so after some time i did email back and i had to remind them to charge my card seeing as i had already received the product, they did eventually charge me. I do not think for one minute that the products actually did a thing to be honest.. so much for the cheap price, as it appears that you get what you pay for, so finish of that story: I am looking around at the moment for some genuine quality aNOL and i am having a little trouble as some of the “reagent grade” is crap, it appears to be so after some independant testing, and i used to think that stone independent reshearch could be trusted, so i sure am glad that i have not paid out for any P10, AE, PPA, or One Night Stand, So am still looking for some honest to goodness good quality aNOL: If i was looking for some aNONE, at a great price then it can be got from a place called androtics direct, the product is called Raw Power, and it is priced on the sales page at under $40 US. This would be a great buy if the quality could be guaranteed ? mind you, it looks impressive at 5.4 mg / 15 mL . PS i could not paste my 3rd purchase from this chemical wholesalesdirect company becaus it has a logo on it refering to a trusted pheromone retailer.
